GimmickMan posted:

I personally like the Level 1 Forever damage expressions and (especially) the Nightmare Mode expressions in the followup post. They even come in handy pdf form!

frajaq posted:

Sorry for double-posting but... I know I asked here about Inherent Bonuses before, but how do you guys handle critical hits with it? Just add the 1d6 damage per enhancement level and forget about it?

frajaq posted:

Sorry for double-posting but... I know I asked here about Inherent Bonuses before, but how do you guys handle critical hits with it? Just add the 1d6 damage per enhancement level and forget about it?

fez_machine posted:

For those interested Chroma Squad is out and has a 4e style combat system. Probably the most 4e in feel computer game yet released.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Letting people choose their own powers is not overwhelming and gives a lot of player agency. Personally, I think guiding them through feat selection is more important to streamlining the whole character progression/creation process, but looking at something like Brash Strike and choosing to take it over other options is clear enough.

fez_machine posted:

For those interested Chroma Squad is out and has a 4e style combat system. Probably the most 4e in feel computer game yet released.

Torchlighter posted:

I realise now that what I mostly meant was 'Can you take Defender Aura or Heroic Slayer on a normal Fighter, choosing At-will's and attacks as normal?' but thanks for the tip.

Section Z posted:

Champions/HERO was my first proper longer than a few sessions delve in and learning the mechanics shot at playing PnP with people.

4th Ed compared to "you need algebra equations for literally everything" Champions/HEROS was a quick study and I love this thing. Much to the joy of some internet pals, because their gaming in person friends loathe 4th ed with the fury of a thousand suns.

But more importantly, I was playing it with some internet pals I already knew. Not people who tell me straight faced "Your expensive immunity to poison and bio weapons shouldn't work against poison and bioweapons, it's not fair to players and enemies who took a cost discount disadvantage if making attacks poisonous". I have also been told using super strength to swing park benches (for less damage than punching or using space alien ray gun) is abusing the system and if I want to keep that poo poo up I'll have to buy a separate reach melee attack.

Me and my 4th ed pubbie pals are also all convinced Drakes are the biggest threat in existence. A weredrake would probably gently caress up a small continent.

I have no idea what I'm doing but it seems to be working out so far through season 2. My only gently caress up on "beat the boss with a finisher!" was my very first critical attack occuring and vaporizing them early

Fun though.

Prison Warden posted:

You still using MM1 straight up? I seem to remember, Rage Drakes I think, being insanely tough for their level and stuff.

Prison Warden posted:

You still using MM1 straight up? I seem to remember, Rage Drakes I think, being insanely tough for their level and stuff.

frajaq posted:

So after reading the monster manuals a bit I understand better the roles they all have, but I'm having trouble understanding the technical parts of using Lurker enemies. Like how does Stealth works in-combat for Sneak Attacks and the like.



For example this skaven wererat Lurker didn't manage to hide in time as the adventurers stormed the room where his clan is gathered. He's visible from round 1 but then decides he want sneak attack the party. What sequence of actions would he take?

Generic Octopus posted:

The Hidden condition & hiding in general is one of 4e's more complicated things, but basically if you have Total Concealment or Total Cover (the Invisible condition is one common-ish way of getting this, but other environmental effects/powers can grant it) you can make a Stealth Check vs the passive perception of the creatures you're trying to Hide from, generally at the end of a Move action.

While hidden, you have CA on any attack and people have to guess where you are (so if they want to attack you, they have to guess your square; in the case of a DM controlled character, generally you take the mini off the board). You lose the Hidden condition if you attack. If you move, you have to make the stealth check again (if you're hidden already, you only need normal Concealment or Cover to maintain the condition). If you move more than 2 squares, you take a -5 to the check; Running imposes a -10. If something causes you to lose the Hidden condition (like attacking), you keep the benefits until the end of the action that reveals you (so an attack from a Hidden foe has CA even though it becomes revealed).

If you hide from some (but not all) of your enemies, you're still considered Hidden from those you succeeded against, but their comrades you failed against will be able to call you out (so they can take the guesswork out the targeting process for their friends).

Generally Lurkers have abilities that make it easier to Hide or otherwise skulk around the battlefield, but those are the basics of Hiding as I recall off my head.

Zereth posted:

Does he require being Hidden to use his special attack thing, or does he require Combat Advantage?

frajaq posted:

So after reading the monster manuals a bit I understand better the roles they all have, but I'm having trouble understanding the technical parts of using Lurker enemies. Like how does Stealth works in-combat for Sneak Attacks and the like.

frajaq posted:

Ok. So on a battlefield with pillars that grant Total Cover and boxes that grant Partial Cover.

Wererat Lurker Turn 1: Move action going behind pillar -> Stealth check vs Passive Perception of the group. Let's say he passes.

Wererat substitutes Standard Action for a Move Action -> move towards crates, getting closer to the player's party. Another Stealth Check but with -2 penalty since he moved more than 2 squares. He passes again.

Wererat Lurker Turn 2: A player is in range of an encounter power of the Lurker that requires him to be Hidden. He leaps at the player and does huge damage if he hits, the attack roll gets +2 because of CA

Did I do this right?


Yeah lets say he needs Hidden to do a powerful special attack.

frajaq posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

Do characters, whether friendly or hostile to the shooter, provide cover? I've been maneuvering my ranged attackers to have completely clear lines of sight to their targets.

MonsieurChoc posted:

So, would it be possible to create a Final Fantasy Blue Mage-type Class and not have be completely broken? I'm somewhat of a newb at 4E, and I always liked the idea of stealing powers from monsters you fight.

My Lovely Horse posted:

Blue mage

Tricky. I think you would definitely have to plug in your own attack bonus for whatever monster power you're using, and you'd probably want to use standardized-to-PC-maths damage expressions too. Beyond that it's all just monster power effects, and those tend to be less complex than PC powers. It would also be hard to assign encounter or daily limits.

That, or you make up the class like any other, but with a twist on power gaining - there is a list of Blue Mage powers, but you only gain each one after you've witnessed it. The powers are suitable for use by monsters, and you have to have a cooperative DM who regularly adds Blue Mage powers to his monsters' repertoire. It would be sort of a gamechanger, quite literally, but potentially very interesting.

Covok posted:

I hope no one minds me asking, but is this character any good? Can he be made better? I am no expert with the system.

homullus posted:

If you had taken Dragonfear instead of the Breath Weapon and if your DM allows you to take Born Under a Bad Sign/Auspicious Birth for a background, there's no reason to put any points in CON. The reason to do this would be to boost your other powers that have CHA riders.

Covok posted:

I hope no one minds me asking, but is this character any good? Can he be made better? I am no expert with the system.

Covok posted:

I hope no one minds me asking, but is this character any good? Can he be made better? I am no expert with the system.

ImpactVector posted:

The breath should be fine since he's using STR as the attack stat.

But I agree about the CON. Even without BUaBS, on a Thaneborn your priority should probably be STR > CHA > DEX > CON.

Khizan posted:

I went over it and I made some changes.

code:

Dragonborn, Barbarian, Draeven Marauder
Feral Might: Thaneborn Triumph
Dragonborn Subrace: Standard Dragonborn Racial Traits
Dragonborn Racial Power: Dragon Breath
Dragon Breath Key Ability: Dragon Breath Strength
Dragon Breath Damage Type: Dragon Breath Fire

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 21, Con 13, Dex 15, Int 9, Wis 14, Cha 18.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 12, Dex 14, Int 8, Wis 13, Cha 13.


AC: 24 Fort: 26 Reflex: 23 Will: 23
HP: 88 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 23

TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +11, Intimidate +16, Athletics +14

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +4, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Dungeoneering +7, Endurance +5, Heal +7, History +6, Insight +7, Nature +7, Perception +7, Religion +4, Stealth +6, Streetwise +9, Thievery +6

FEATS
Level 1: Spear Expertise
Level 2: Weapon Proficiency (Gouge)
Level 4: Weapon Focus (Axe)
Level 6: Battle Awareness
Level 8: Novice Power
Level 10: Improved Defenses
Level 11: Deadly Axe

POWERS
Barbarian at-will 1: Pressing Strike
Barbarian at-will 1: Howling Strike
Barbarian encounter 1: Escalating Violence
Barbarian daily 1: Thunder Hooves Rage
Barbarian utility 2: Shrug It Off
Barbarian encounter 3: Shatterbone Strike (retrained to Rain of Blows at Novice Power)
Barbarian daily 5: Rage of the Crimson Hurricane
Barbarian utility 6: Run Rampant
Barbarian encounter 7: Curtain of Steel
Barbarian daily 9: Oak Hammer Rage
Barbarian utility 10: Wellspring of Renewal

ITEMS
Dread Gouge +2, Bestial Hide Armor +2, Periapt of Cascading Health +2, Strikebacks (heroic tier)

I've attempted to preserve the idea of "Thaneborn Dragonborn with an Axe" with these changes. It's not an especially optimized build, but it's solid and should fit well into most groups.

Some of the changes:

• Went from dual-battleaxe to the Gouge, which is a giant two-handed spear-axe of awesomeness.
  
• Took Battle Awareness to open up Draeven Marauder, which gives you a 19-20 crit range on your giant spearaxe.
  
• Switched out Shatterbone Strike for Rain of Blows, which is a three-hit fighter power for you since you've got a spear and 15+ Dex.
  
• Changed out magical items for better fitting ones of the same levels. Kept the Dread property.
  
• Curtain of Steel and Strikebacks give you two off-turn attacks against people who attack you. Battle Awareness lets you make an off-turn attack against somebody who DOESN'T attack you. You can only make one of these attacks per turn, but it's a lot of nice options and you're going to get to hit SOMEBODY.