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...Failing to reprimand Oxygen, the next tragedy may be that of your friend's pod... or your corpmate's pod... or yours!
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May 19, 2015 20:55
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Viva Miriya posted:d) goonfleet goons are gullible as gently caress Why? No one's actually falling for your troll.
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May 19, 2015 20:56
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You probably shouldn't shoot people for bringing the wrong ship, in my opinion, that's a really dumb excuse to shoot blues, in a world where there's practically any other reason to shoot them.
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May 19, 2015 20:57
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hemophilia posted:You probably shouldn't shoot people for bringing the wrong ship, in my opinion, that's a really dumb excuse to shoot blues, in a world where there's practically any other reason to shoot them. Like ignoring the FC and daring him to do something about it.
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May 19, 2015 20:58
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May 19, 2015 21:00
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Real talk Oxygen is a bitch for that.
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May 19, 2015 21:00
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Like ignoring the FC and daring him to do something about it. More like ignoring the FC because he has no right to loving shoot you unless you insist on bringing a dictor and bubbling them on every gate or something else reasonably dickish!
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May 19, 2015 21:01
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Like ignoring the FC and daring him to do something about it. That FC needed to check his privilege. #unfreeOxygen
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May 19, 2015 21:01
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Like ignoring the FC and daring him to do something about it. The FC picking a fight over one wrong ship is bad. If he called for doctrine ships and there were multiple offenders that's one thing but one guy who probably wasn't gonna bring a tengu anyway, bringing something else, is a dumb thing to get mad about.
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May 19, 2015 21:01
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mpaarating posted:That FC needed to check his privilege. Fixed.
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May 19, 2015 21:02
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Ckwiesr posted:Can I bring my schlep? Sup dude how's life?
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May 19, 2015 21:04
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So, I hear the Jackdaw's bonus changed again... Well anyways, I'm hyped for that poo poo. My missile skills will finally be put to good use, for a change.
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May 19, 2015 21:41
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Hazdoc posted:So, I hear the Jackdaw's bonus changed again... Its a pretty sweet bonus and pretty outside the box, you can basically always be hitting the enemy ships resist hole  and switch range or explosion velocity missle types.
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May 19, 2015 21:42
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Zasze posted:Its a pretty sweet bonus and pretty outside the box, you can basically always be hitting the enemy ships resist hole Now watch as CCP kinetic locks the Jackdaw as a gigantic gently caress you to having fun.
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May 19, 2015 21:43
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Are newbie tackle frigates sort of implied in fleet callouts or something? I was on Jabber a good part of the weekend and didn't really see anything going on that a newbie in a tackle frigate and minimum skills was explicitly invited to (unless I was supposed to join anyway and get the cute newbee treatment--not that I dislike money but it does make me red in the face  )
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May 19, 2015 21:48
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Ciaphas posted:Are newbie tackle frigates sort of implied in fleet callouts or something? I was on Jabber a good part of the weekend and didn't really see anything going on that a newbie in a tackle frigate and minimum skills was explicitly invited to (unless I was supposed to join anyway and get the cute newbee treatment--not that I dislike money but it does make me red in the face Basically invited to every fleet short of cap fleets and cov-ops fleets. You'll have more fun in happy fleets than Tengu or domi fleets, but you'll be welcome. Make sure to say you're an x day old newbie and open your mouth and smile as you get the golden shower of ISK.
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May 19, 2015 21:52
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Ciaphas posted:Are newbie tackle frigates sort of implied in fleet callouts or something? I was on Jabber a good part of the weekend and didn't really see anything going on that a newbie in a tackle frigate and minimum skills was explicitly invited to (unless I was supposed to join anyway and get the cute newbee treatment--not that I dislike money but it does make me red in the face Yes bring them to all fleets all the time. They're always welcome. Unless they violate Oxygens Tengu fleet comp
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May 19, 2015 21:54
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Ciaphas posted:Are newbie tackle frigates sort of implied in fleet callouts or something? I was on Jabber a good part of the weekend and didn't really see anything going on that a newbie in a tackle frigate and minimum skills was explicitly invited to (unless I was supposed to join anyway and get the cute newbee treatment--not that I dislike money but it does make me red in the face Newbees in free frigates are always invited. There are a very few exceptions (some things like covops drops that a t1 frigate can't do) but they're gonna be special sig things so won't broadcast to all-all. If you see can see a fleet ad you can join it and be a cute newbee. e: Zephyrine posted:Unless they violate Oxygens Tengu fleet comp Klyith fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 19, 2015 |
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May 19, 2015 21:57
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Ciaphas posted:Are newbie tackle frigates sort of implied in fleet callouts or something? I was on Jabber a good part of the weekend and didn't really see anything going on that a newbie in a tackle frigate and minimum skills was explicitly invited to (unless I was supposed to join anyway and get the cute newbee treatment--not that I dislike money but it does make me red in the face gently caress, I guess I refreshed at the wrong time.
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May 19, 2015 21:58
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Zephyrine posted:Yes bring them to all fleets all the time. They're always welcome. Well I wasn't gonna say anything, I don't know a Tengu or a Harpy from my own rear end Legit gameplay question, you mean welcome in the "yeah sure we're notgonna throw out a newbie" sense or welcome in the "yes we do actually need ships made of paper and carrying a point" sense? I have no idea what ships are capable of nowadays, I was thinking for a while that small fast tackle was an outmoded philosophy or something. Like Interdictors were supposed to cover all that, maybe.
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May 19, 2015 21:59
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Zephyrine posted:Unless they violate Oxygens Tengu fleet comp don't hide, have pride.
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May 19, 2015 22:00
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Ciaphas posted:Legit gameplay question, you mean welcome in the "yeah sure we're notgonna throw out a newbie" sense or welcome in the "yes we do actually need ships made of paper and carrying a point" sense? I have no idea what ships are capable of nowadays, I was thinking for a while that small fast tackle was an outmoded philosophy or something. Like Interdictors were supposed to cover all that, maybe.   We have pages of agitprop about our newbie tacklers.
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May 19, 2015 22:05
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Ciaphas posted:Well I wasn't gonna say anything, I don't know a Tengu or a Harpy from my own rear end Well, most line ships in a fleet aren't fit with points, so having a newbie in a frigate with a point fit is one more potential hostile locked down for the fleet to kill. Everyone loves to get kills, and scrams get kills. Hence, newbies are always welcome on fleets.
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May 19, 2015 22:05
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Ciaphas posted:Well I wasn't gonna say anything, I don't know a Tengu or a Harpy from my own rear end In a sense, yes but frigates can also do some things that dictors can't. Like be uncloaked on grid 150k off of your fleet without someone trying to immediately kill you. Bubbles also don't stop MJD/MWDs which are usually fit to battleships.
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May 19, 2015 22:06
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Ciaphas posted:Legit gameplay question, you mean welcome in the "yeah sure we're notgonna throw out a newbie" sense or welcome in the "yes we do actually need ships made of paper and carrying a point" sense? I have no idea what ships are capable of nowadays, I was thinking for a while that small fast tackle was an outmoded philosophy or something. Like Interdictors were supposed to cover all that, maybe. Nope, on three counts: 1) Most doctrine ships don't have points, focusing instead entirely on tank or DPS (or both). 2) Interdictors drop an anti-warp bubble that's stationary for ~2 minutes; a target can, in theory, simply burn out of the bubble's range and warp off, unless they're tackled by another ship. (And you don't want to tackle with the interdictor unless you have to, as it's a good way to get killed; ideally, an interdictor bubbles, burns out of the bubble, and immediately cloaks up.) 3) Interceptors get bonuses to point range, so they can safely tackle things with heavy neuts. Ships without bonuses generally can't tackle something without getting in that range. It doesn't even necessarily have to be made of paper. We have a dedicated frigate doctrine called "Cawkfleet" that's basically designed around this -- a bunch of assault frigates (T2 frigates that are comparatively slow but extremely sturdy) packing long-range weapons but close-range tackle. We jump into a fight and everyone tackles the hostile nearest them, so you have ~30 individually tackled ships. Then, FC starts calling primaries, and everyone uses their long-range weapons to contribute firepower, murdering each tackled ship one by one.
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May 19, 2015 22:09
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gwrtheyrn posted:In a sense, yes but frigates can also do some things that dictors can't. Like be uncloaked on grid 150k off of your fleet without someone trying to immediately kill you. Bubbles also don't stop MJD/MWDs which are usually fit to battleships.
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May 19, 2015 22:10
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Ciaphas posted:Legit gameplay question, you mean welcome in the "yeah sure we're notgonna throw out a newbie" sense or welcome in the "yes we do actually need ships made of paper and carrying a point" sense? I have no idea what ships are capable of nowadays, I was thinking for a while that small fast tackle was an outmoded philosophy or something. Like Interdictors were supposed to cover all that, maybe. TBQH a little of both.  Frigate tackle still works, you can't kill ships unless you prevent them from warping out. Dictor bubbles have always been better at immobilizing a fleet than single tackle, but dictors are priority targets. Part of learning to fly tackle is knowing when to dive in and grab a point, and when to hang back. You can still be 100% responsible for kills if you use caution and get an instinct for when the opposing fleet is about to warp off, and pick the right moment to pounce and get a point. On the other hand, anti-support is better now than it was back when GF made the rifter into a symbol of the power of newbies. So your life is short most of the time. That's why we have stuff like gently caress You Fleet now as a option to move out of frigates while you're still relatively new. If tackle isn't your thing you should switch to ewar and make life hell for three or four other guys at a time.
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May 19, 2015 22:16
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koreban posted:
It bugs the poo poo out of me how many image sites my stupid work proxy blocks off.  Thanks all. I'll try to get set up to actually do something this weekend, hopefully. In the meantime, doing relic/data sites in semi-hostile space with a prototype cloak, a stabilizer and a prayer is amusing, if nothing else.
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May 19, 2015 22:18
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koreban posted:don't hide, have pride. The vinegar over this is starting to pass my knees and I'm getting worried that we're still going to be talking about it long after Pooki has forgotten about it. I figure I'd tone it down before I need a snorkel.
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May 19, 2015 22:29
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Whatever happened to 420 shot blues every day? Was that just a theta squad thing? Who cares about one person getting commissared.
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May 19, 2015 22:33
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People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc.
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May 19, 2015 22:58
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Klyith posted:TBQH a little of both. Tackle frigates still work but it's a pretty bad role to try to stuff a new player in to. It's a pretty mechanically intensive role because you need to be real comfortable with transversal and navigation mechanics as well as the engagement profiles of whatever you're tackling. It's probably more effective to get newer players in to t1 logi and ewar than it is to give them a slasher and let them fly at ishtars.
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May 19, 2015 23:11
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vyst posted:People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc. You are right. If it had been a goon FC then it would be no big deal.
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May 19, 2015 23:15
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vyst posted:People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc. Shooting the guy volunteering to be primary is pretty dumb though.
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May 19, 2015 23:24
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vyst posted:People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc. i didn't know it was pooki before i started asking questions
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May 19, 2015 23:34
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vyst posted:People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc. I'd be doubly disappointed. That it's a pubcorp FC shooting a high profile shitposter is probably the saving grace here.
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May 19, 2015 23:35
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vyst posted:People are butthurt because it was pooki bear and not some unknown fool. I bet if the victim was some ally turd nobody would give a poo poo. They'd probably applaud the fc. 100% true.
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May 19, 2015 23:50
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causticBeet posted:Tackle frigates still work but it's a pretty bad role to try to stuff a new player in to. It's a pretty mechanically intensive role because you need to be real comfortable with transversal and navigation mechanics as well as the engagement profiles of whatever you're tackling. It's probably more effective to get newer players in to t1 logi and ewar than it is to give them a slasher and let them fly at ishtars. Counterpoint: getting blown up is really great practice for not getting blown up, and watching spaceships explode is always hilarious.
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A job with a high degree of mechanical proficiency is actually a great place to put newbies, because they can (potentially) learn that far more quickly than they can train skills. If they don't enjoy it then sure, move along to ewar cruisers or whatever, but tackle is fun and challenging and teaches you a lot of applicable skills.
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