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DialTheDude posted:This is by far the most unique reason to quit playing from that list. A story from the Drakengard games was too much for him. Ehhh Drakengard 3 is kind of a awful game. I'd respect anybody's decision to quit playing that game.
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I gotta say, one of the things I like about omfgcata/Jesse Cox, and I know a lot of people don't like him is the fact that he outright tells his viewers that trying to make a living out of LPs is a bad idea and to stay in school and get a job that contributes better to society. A while back when Let's Play was first becoming popular on Youtube I had a bunch of friends who wanted to make it big on youtube and make it into a living. I'll be honest, a couple of them are doing nothing with their lives right now.
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May 20, 2015 06:48
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I never had any issues with Jesse's LPs. He can be rather annoying in his own way at times but then again so can anyone really. I sort of wish he's put his teaching background (what he did before he got fired and just made YT vids) and LPs together and taught poo poo you could learn from the games he's playing (there's a guy on Twitch who does this named Okaydrian) but he seems to be doing well with his own personality. I think he also had a show similar to this scheduled with Geek & Sundry (Felicia Day's YouTube thing) but I don't know if it got scrapped mid-production or not.
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The only video I ever saw of Jesse was back before Starbound came out, they gave Totalbiscuit and Jesse special keys to show off the game, and every time TB tried to explain something, Jesse would start shrieking like a loving idiot about how he could wiggle the flashlight or something else equally banal and infuriating. I watched like five minutes and couldn't watch the shrieking howler monkey be amazed by the jump button for a sixth straight minute.
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Danaru posted:The only video I ever saw of Jesse was back before Starbound came out, they gave Totalbiscuit and Jesse special keys to show off the game, and every time TB tried to explain something, Jesse would start shrieking like a loving idiot about how he could wiggle the flashlight or something else equally banal and infuriating. I watched like five minutes and couldn't watch the shrieking howler monkey be amazed by the jump button for a sixth straight minute. I think he works a lot better alone. I really like how excited he is about finding lore such as journals or text documents in games.
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There is a special place in my black, shriveled heart for how much I hate Jesse Cox and his annoying loving mouth
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May 20, 2015 08:51
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Roaper posted:I gotta say, one of the things I like about omfgcata/Jesse Cox, and I know a lot of people don't like him is the fact that he outright tells his viewers that trying to make a living out of LPs is a bad idea and to stay in school and get a job that contributes better to society. A while back when Let's Play was first becoming popular on Youtube I had a bunch of friends who wanted to make it big on youtube and make it into a living. I'll be honest, a couple of them are doing nothing with their lives right now. Anybody who thinks to make a living off of Let's Plays specifically should scout through /r/letsplay for a while. That place is full with people with youtube channels counting 500+ videos with ~100 subscribers and about 0-50 views on each video, which probably brought them ad revenue in the range of  It's a strangely delusional subreddit. The most common advice seems to be to do the exact same thing everybody else is doing and to keep on doing it because sooner or later you'll magically hit it big or something.
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Fleve posted:Anybody who thinks to make a living off of Let's Plays specifically should scout through /r/letsplay for a while. That place is full with people with youtube channels counting 500+ videos with ~100 subscribers and about 0-50 views on each video, which probably brought them ad revenue in the range of I find the entire concept of "taking/giving advice on how to be successful at LPing (with the goal of making money)" baffling. The thing about making a big splash at this point is that you need to either really excel at something that has already been shown to be successful (and you can't teach that) or find something really unique that causes you to go viral (and you can't teach that either). Otherwise, you're drat near guaranteed to just be white noise.
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May 20, 2015 10:22
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TheMcD posted:I find the entire concept of "taking/giving advice on how to be successful at LPing (with the goal of making money)" baffling. There's an entire industry based around selling people books on how to win at games like blackjack using this amazing system that casinos don't want you to know about, I'd say it's a similar principle except the people giving the advice aren't savvy enough to charge $29.99 a pop for it.
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May 20, 2015 10:27
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TheMcD posted:I find the entire concept of "taking/giving advice on how to be successful at LPing (with the goal of making money)" baffling. The thing about making a big splash at this point is that you need to either really excel at something that has already been shown to be successful (and you can't teach that) or find something really unique that causes you to go viral (and you can't teach that either). Otherwise, you're drat near guaranteed to just be white noise. That's pretty much the reason Patreon is taking off for Youtube LPers. With Patreon, you don't HAVE to be overwhelmingly popular to get paid to make LPs, you just have to find fans willing to pay you to do it. You could be one of those 500+ videos ~100 subscribers people and make precisely 0 youtube ad revenue money, but if you have a dude that's willing to give you 10 bucks a month, repeated a few times by other people, you'll still have a source of income from it.
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One thing I found with /r/letsplay is that almost all of the advice given there was how to draw people in, not to actually keep them there. I don't want to watch some monotone unfunny guy regardless of how amazing his thumbnails are or how popular the game he's playing is. For strictly view count, sure, I guess it works, but actual substance seems to be secondary to them. On a similar note, a friend of mine sent me this screenshot from a 4chan thread forever ago. Apparently the one Kirby video with double digit views is a video they posted on the video game board. It was basically a Game Grumps knock off by two people with zero chemistry who kept talking over each other. Sure it's all flashy, and there are multiple games and episodes to choose from, but when it comes down to it, no substance = no views. With that said I don't actually know how to fix a problem like that aside from "git gud", which I don't know how to do either, so I'm just kind of blowing hot air. My point is /r/letsplay is pretty bad and their advice is terrible.
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Danaru posted:On a similar note, a friend of mine sent me this screenshot Oh god this is so depressing to look at 
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I'm chiming in to say that one of the things that turns me off a lets play is doing a VLP of a certain type of RPG and decided to read out minor little line of text out loud. God drat, that is so infuriating. Especially when the lets player claims its to help them practice their  voice acting.CJacobs posted:There is a special place in my black, shriveled heart for how much I hate Jesse Cox and his annoying loving mouth This would be an empty quote. Klaus88 fucked around with this message at 12:56 on May 20, 2015 |
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Danaru posted:One thing I found with /r/letsplay is that almost all of the advice given there was how to draw people in, not to actually keep them there. I don't want to watch some monotone unfunny guy regardless of how amazing his thumbnails are or how popular the game he's playing is. For strictly view count, sure, I guess it works, but actual substance seems to be secondary to them. The odd thing about those folks that I've seen post on /r/letsplay is that they seem to have a few thousand subscribers, but still usually get less than 100 views on their videos. I don't think whatever they're doing is working if they get a bunch of subs who never watch them. Also, not sure what's worse, using the random screenshot from the video YouTube picks from as the thumbnail or doing what that person did.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I sort of wish he's put his teaching background (what he did before he got fired and just made YT vids) and LPs together and taught poo poo you could learn from the games he's playing (there's a guy on Twitch who does this named Okaydrian) but he seems to be doing well with his own personality. I think he also had a show similar to this scheduled with Geek & Sundry (Felicia Day's YouTube thing) but I don't know if it got scrapped mid-production or not. So I decided to watch one of Okaydrian's past broadcasts and loaded up a random Deus Ex: Human Revolution one. Was less than impressed by the ~30min of prestream music, some of which had been muted by twitch, but then when he finally gets on (and twitch unmutes) the first thing I hear out of his mouth is him lambasting his chat for being idiots.  I think I like this guy.
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Keeshhound posted:So I decided to watch one of Okaydrian's past broadcasts and loaded up a random Deus Ex: Human Revolution one. Was less than impressed by the ~30min of prestream music, some of which had been muted by twitch, but then when he finally gets on (and twitch unmutes) the first thing I hear out of his mouth is him lambasting his chat for being idiots.
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Klaus88 posted:I'm chiming in to say that one of the things that turns me off a lets play is doing a VLP of a certain type of RPG and decided to read out minor little line of text out loud. God drat, that is so infuriating. You would say that, you're one of those old school SA people (half the counter-arguments on that page are 'I'm not actually watching the video')
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Polsy posted:(half the counter-arguments on that page are 'I'm not actually watching the video') Surely the obvious counter-argument is that viewers on low resolutions may not be able to read the text even if they pause the video? I personally find it very annoying if the LPer reads text out loud, but I figure I'd find it more annoying if I couldn't know what was going on because I had lovely internet.
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The Evil Thing posted:Surely the obvious counter-argument is that viewers on low resolutions may not be able to read the text even if they pause the video? I personally find it very annoying if the LPer reads text out loud, but I figure I'd find it more annoying if I couldn't know what was going on because I had lovely internet. There will always be exceptions, but it's still not a great idea to read every bit of text on screen, especially when it tends to be less about helping viewers and more about showing off their voice acting "talent".
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If a person doesn't care to or can't read the game's text, then simply summing up the point is surely enough, isn't it? Like after a bunch of game text, you just go "OK so basically" and get on with it.
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Jamesman posted:If a person doesn't care to or can't read the game's text, then simply summing up the point is surely enough, isn't it? Like after a bunch of game text, you just go "OK so basically" and get on with it. This is my viewing preference. I hate it when people read text verbatim, but I don't mind a summary. It also has the helpful side effect of LPers not generally falling into terrible voice acting, whether on accident or not.
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Re: View counts + videos + niche, my YT channel isn't mainly LP's. I found a pretty decent niche for EVE Online videos that are basically news reports and get anywhere from 600 to 1k views per video. So yeah, the advice of "find a niche that hasn't been exploited yet" is pretty relevant for me at least. Not many people do the types of videos I do, and if they do it's rather dull/poorly put together videos. That said I also realize that I need to diversify the channel since only doing one game is rather dangerous (not that I think EVE is going to die off in two weeks but, you never know). Regarding reading text out loud, I tend to prefer someone to summarize what is said. I don't absolutely hate someone reading it verbatim but it can be a bit annoying depending on the person/tone of their voice. I think Arumba/Quill18 do a pretty decent job in their LPs where they read the prompt the first time it comes up, and if it comes up again they just ignore it and say "OK so we gotta do X again" Keeshhound posted:So I decided to watch one of Okaydrian's past broadcasts and loaded up a random Deus Ex: Human Revolution one. Was less than impressed by the ~30min of prestream music, some of which had been muted by twitch, but then when he finally gets on (and twitch unmutes) the first thing I hear out of his mouth is him lambasting his chat for being idiots. He's pretty sarcastic with comments to the chat. Sometimes people fall for it and its wonderful. He had a stream where he was like "OK I need to set a record. I'm gonna stream for 24 minutes straight" and some people not used to the stream were like "are you serious?" Mekchu fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 20, 2015 |
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Keeshhound posted:So I decided to watch one of Okaydrian's past broadcasts and loaded up a random Deus Ex: Human Revolution one. Was less than impressed by the ~30min of prestream music, some of which had been muted by twitch, but then when he finally gets on (and twitch unmutes) the first thing I hear out of his mouth is him lambasting his chat for being idiots. Everybody does prestream warmups. Learn to skip past them. Broadcasts don't really let you cut things in the way you want because Twitch is a cool platform.
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Unfunny Poster posted:He's pretty sarcastic with comments to the chat. Sometimes people fall for it and its wonderful. I didn't mean it as a negative. And for some reason the facecam doesn't bother me as much when he's doing his educator thing with it. I couldn't tell you exactly why though.
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Keeshhound posted:I didn't mean it as a negative. And for some reason the facecam doesn't bother me as much when he's doing his educator thing with it. I couldn't tell you exactly why though. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of facecams in general but he and EJ SA seem to draw no ire from me for their cams. Probably because they bring out an item to show every now and then. EJ SA does a lot of KSP streaming and will show plane models he has as an example of what he's trying to build.
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Klaus88 posted:I'm chiming in to say that one of the things that turns me off a lets play is doing a VLP of a certain type of RPG and decided to read out minor little line of text out loud. God drat, that is so infuriating.
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SnakemanMn posted:It's pretty obnoxious, but I personally feel that LPers trying to inject themselves into the game's conversation by saying poo poo like "Oh yeah?" after a line of the game's dialogue is far worse. It's pretty easy to get snarky with a game when it can't respond back. Using multiple commentators seems to be a really good iea when it comes to stuff like that. I think people are less likely to try and respond to game screens and whatnot if you have someone there to bounce stuff off of.
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So I'm watching Slowbeefs Bloodborne LP and I'm curious about the process, and I guess the process of the 06 LP. Do you stream them, then edit the streamed bits, or do you skype screen share. What's your workflow like?
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Turtlicious posted:So I'm watching Slowbeefs Bloodborne LP and I'm curious about the process, and I guess the process of the 06 LP. Do you stream them, then edit the streamed bits, or do you skype screen share. What's your workflow like? I think they've mentioned in the vids they use Skype screen share.
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Roaper posted:It's pretty easy to get snarky with a game when it can't respond back. Using multiple commentators seems to be a really good iea when it comes to stuff like that. I think people are less likely to try and respond to game screens and whatnot if you have someone there to bounce stuff off of. Right, for some reason when there's multiple people commentating, reading aloud never seems as grating or patronizing. I have no real idea why.
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Klaus88 posted:I'm chiming in to say that one of the things that turns me off a lets play is doing a VLP of a certain type of RPG and decided to read out minor little line of text out loud. God drat, that is so infuriating. This depends on the game being played and the LPer playing it, in my experience. JRPGs, with their walls of over the top dialogue are pretty terrible for it, but in other games it's not so bad. And what's wrong with answering to a game screen? You expect LPers to act like robots the whole way through?
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Turtlicious posted:So I'm watching Slowbeefs Bloodborne LP and I'm curious about the process, and I guess the process of the 06 LP. Do you stream them, then edit the streamed bits, or do you skype screen share. What's your workflow like? I think the process involves big-timing SA and not making dedicated threads anymore.
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Golden Goat posted:Ehhh Drakengard 3 is kind of a awful game. I'd respect anybody's decision to quit playing that game. Counterpoint: Dark Id Though regardless of what you think of the story, I suppose the gameplay could drive anyone insane
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paradoxGentleman posted:This depends on the game being played and the LPer playing it, in my experience. JRPGs, with their walls of over the top dialogue are pretty terrible for it, but in other games it's not so bad. There's literally nothing between "talking back to your video game like a moron" and "BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT," congratulations, you figured it out. Excluded middle, what's that? Why is it that this is the automatic response any time someone says "hey, doing [THING] (facecams, reading text out loud, putting on silly voices/skits, etc.) is distracting and/or dumb?," that the person saying that hates fun and humor or whatever? There are plenty of quality LPs out there which are funny, informative, whatever floats your boat, none of which lean on stuff like that. There are even quality LPs that do sometimes incorporate stuff like this, but as with anything execution matters. When the Men Drinkin' Coffee read game text out loud or put on goofy voices they aren't A). exhaustively reading every last line of dialogue, fumbling and stumbling over words like you're back in middle school English class being made to read from the book out loud and B). they aren't doing it to hone their "voice acting talents" or trying to make things more "dramatic," they're doing it because Chris trying (and failing) to talk in a mangled French accent for 30 seconds is entertaining and then they move on to other poo poo.
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Turtlicious posted:So I'm watching Slowbeefs Bloodborne LP and I'm curious about the process, and I guess the process of the 06 LP. Do you stream them, then edit the streamed bits, or do you skype screen share. What's your workflow like? I use Skype Screenshare + Voicemeeter to stream the game only to Betus in real (enough) time. We're recording audio locally and I'm recording the video. You can't stream it since you'll already have a couple seconds lag in the capture device. You sync this up by: 1. Start recording audio at the same time. Say "Audio sync in 3... 2... 1... Sync" 2. Sync your video with the commentary by going through menu options with like "Row 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1" Step 1 can be improved by having one person say "Sync" and having the other person hold their headphones to their mic. Then you get the same person saying "sync" the same way. (You'd be surprised how many times I've had to sorta fudge it because I said sync with long 'ss' or 'ee' sounds.) You can also shift audio around - since Betus is behind me by a second or two, I'll move certain things he reacts to closer to when they appear onscreen. slowbeef fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 20, 2015 |
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Not LP related but the guys from RedLetterMedia (Mr. Plinkett Reviews) have been doing video game stuff and this is sort of a funny riff on the Nintendo YouTube stuff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3w8ZNYoFEQ
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Kai Tave posted:There's literally nothing between "talking back to your video game like a moron" and "BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT," congratulations, you figured it out. Excluded middle, what's that? Well of course all this sort of stuff can be executed both poorly and greatly, this is sort of implied in any and all human undertakings. But since, as you have yourself admitted, it is possible to use it to create a good experience, it seems stupid to dismiss it out of hand; sorry if I am going back to well treaded ground but I have never seen it brought before now. All I know is that I have another tab open with LovelyMomo and Northernlion playing Drawful with their Twitch subscribers and I find them entertaining.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Well of course all this sort of stuff can be executed both poorly and greatly, this is sort of implied in any and all human undertakings. But since, as you have yourself admitted, it is possible to use it to create a good experience, it seems stupid to dismiss it out of hand; sorry if I am going back to well treaded ground but I have never seen it brought before now. All I know is that I have another tab open with LovelyMomo and Northernlion playing Drawful with their Twitch subscribers and I find them entertaining. There's a marked difference between "exhaustively reading all the dialogue in a dialogue heavy game" and "reading a couple lines out loud because they're funny/especially relevant/have amusing typos" to the degree that they aren't really just the same thing with different levels of execution, thus I'm confident lumping all LPs where a guy feels the need to read along with every line of dialogue in the "insufferable" bin out of hand instead of giving them all a fair shake on the off chance that Salty Steve from the Game Wonks Transmedia Network (population 1) has discovered some amazing new LPing technique that involves halting recitations of JRPG dialogue in a monotone (or badly acted) voice. I mean, this ignores the fact that doing a video let's play of a game with lots of non-voiced dialogue in the first place is a chancy proposition in the first place, but even if you choose to go that route I can pause the video and read whatever's on screen faster and with more accuracy than most LPers I've listened to who try to read along with it.
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