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cmykjester posted:Hussie knows his smut too, he used to do hilarious fine art reviews of terrible fetish art, stuff like dragons loving cars, and antro airplanes loving a building. I don't think you have much chance of really creeping Andrew Hussie out. The entire arc of Weird Romance poo poo seems like some kind of one-upmanship between Andrew Hussie and the Weird Porn Corner of the fanbase. Any time they ship someone Hussie reveals something to make it either horrific (Surprise! You're siblings, Mandatory Government Dictated Reproduction) or nightmarishly complex (Quadrants, whatever is going on with leprechauns, the Beforus Romantic Quagmire) or both (CHERUBS). Neither side shows any sign of backing down.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Jake, Jane, Dirk: No known quest. I think Jane's quest was to bring life back to LOCAH, which she did while Trickster'd.
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Classtoise posted:Besides, Dirk gets way more poo poo than Vriska who's done worse AND is proud of it Dirk gets a fair amount of well-deserved poo poo for things like setting violent androids on people and generally being a condescending douche, but Vriska makes people go mental. Like apparently people think she's abusing Terezi now? For some reason? In defiance of a lot of established character behavior? IDK they are both fairly crappy and, hell, good characters.
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May 21, 2015 06:07
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm trying to do a Quest roundup and asking for y'all's help. The quest of every Space player is to breed the Genesis Frog and stoke the forge, so Kanaya's quest (and Porrim's, and Calliope's in a theoretical session where she managed to enter) is known. Dave's quest involved reforming the Caledfwlch. The Caledscratch is just that sword alchemized with his time travel turntables and Snoop Dogg Sno Cone machine.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm trying to do a Quest roundup and asking for y'all's help. As Maid of Life, Jane's quest was bringing life back to her world. She was supposed to do that in a Myst-like way by solving puzzles, but she short-circuited it when it trickster mode. So she didn't really do her quest, but the point is moot anyway.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm trying to do a Quest roundup and asking for y'all's help. Playing the rain. Rose is supposed to play the rain, not the light.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm trying to do a Quest roundup and asking for y'all's help. Tavros' quest had something to do with finding and putting together puzzles, that he accomplished via mind-controlling an underling horde, before Vriska told him to stop doing that, thus presumably stunting yet another opportunity for him to grow and ruining everything once again.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Tavros' quest had something to do with finding and putting together puzzles, that he accomplished via mind-controlling an underling horde, before Vriska told him to stop doing that, thus presumably stunting yet another opportunity for him to grow and ruining everything once again. Also: the puzzle he finished looked like a frog, so his quest might have tied into frog breeding somehow.
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May 21, 2015 16:46
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I'm unsure what kind of personal growth is actuated by completing Resident Evil "crown seal goes in the hole shaped like crown" puzzles, except the realization that Resident Evil puzzles are stupid time-sinks.
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I just figured there were a bunch of loot dungeons you could open up by doing whatever dumb puzzles were in your land. Rose's planet had something like that too that adult Roxy cleared out. Personal growth is great and all but sometimes you gotta take some time to grind out some mats and levels.
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May 21, 2015 16:49
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Perhaps the real empty crown seal hole...was inside us, all along.
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paranoid randroid posted:I'm unsure what kind of personal growth is actuated by completing Resident Evil "crown seal goes in the hole shaped like crown" puzzles, except the realization that Resident Evil puzzles are stupid time-sinks. I can think of a couple. "You can achieve greatness through non-violent means", for starters. sirtommygunn posted:I just figured there were a bunch of loot dungeons you could open up by doing whatever dumb puzzles were in your land. Rose's planet had something like that too that adult Roxy cleared out. This is also a possibility.
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Cat Mattress posted:As Maid of Life, Jane's quest was bringing life back to her world. She was supposed to do that in a Myst-like way by solving puzzles, but she short-circuited it when it trickster mode. So she didn't really do her quest, but the point is moot anyway. I'm not so sure about it being done - we saw from John doing the windy thing and temporarily pushing the clouds away from part of his planet that just waving flashy powers around doesn't count as completing the quest. Same way that only part of Jane's planet is repopulated - it might not be sticking around for long, since the quest isn't done.
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By the account he gives of it it seems like Tavros' planet was a fun adventure that could have let him build genuine confidence in himself by presenting him with a bunch of tasks his friendly, dreamy nature was actually conducive to, unlike the nightmare hellscape that was his homeworld. Exploring, solving puzzles, making friends with the populace, etc. Instead he gets swept away from it by Vriska to join her in missing-the-point speedrun crew. Basically if there's one thing you can contend about what would make Tavros develop positively, we know pretty conclusively that it's not being browbeaten, belittled and presented with violent adversity, so a gentle environment where he could grow into himself at his own pace might have been a nice alternative.
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Yeah you'd think all that, but we just didn't get to see the block pushing puzzle that was behind the frog plate puzzle. The Ultimate Riddle is actually the realization that a self-perpetuating method of universe creation isnt any better at game design than us mortals.
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The idea that not only the universe, but the method for creating new universes was put together by a bad game developper is a level of nihilism I'm not sure I am ready to.
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Sollux's quest was to write a community patch to implement all the features the Unmoved Mover had to cut to ship in time for christmas.
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paradoxGentleman posted:The idea that not only the universe, but the method for creating new universes was put together by a bad game developper is a level of nihilism I'm not sure I am ready to. I like the idea that universes "reproduce" via a species within that universe becoming intelligent enough to build their own simulation of a universe, and that simulation - if perfected - will eventually build its own universe simulator. It's a universe matryoshka all the way down. But, as Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal pointed out, it seems unlikely that a universe could build and simulate another universe of greater complexity than their own, so that implies that each level is cruder and more simplified than the others - meaning that until we build a universe-simulator of our own, we are in fact the dumbest and worst-put-together possible universe.
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Android Blues posted:By the account he gives of it it seems like Tavros' planet was a fun adventure that could have let him build genuine confidence in himself by presenting him with a bunch of tasks his friendly, dreamy nature was actually conducive to, unlike the nightmare hellscape that was his homeworld. Exploring, solving puzzles, making friends with the populace, etc. Instead he gets swept away from it by Vriska to join her in missing-the-point speedrun crew. I love Tavros because he's such a big baby, I honestly hope things turn out okay for him at some point
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Dolash posted:I like the idea that universes "reproduce" via a species within that universe becoming intelligent enough to build their own simulation of a universe, and that simulation - if perfected - will eventually build its own universe simulator. It's a universe matryoshka all the way down. While interesting and darkly hilarious, that doesn't really have much to do with Homestuck unless you deliberately misread the entire thing.
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Renaissance Robot posted:While interesting and darkly hilarious, that doesn't really have much to do with Homestuck unless you deliberately misread the entire thing. Well, I suppose if you consider Karkat believes himself responsible for everything going wrong in the kids' universe/game because he did a bad job helping to breed their frog, there might be a slight relationship. The real question is whether all the incredible, semantically-aware systems in Sburb that know how to tailor an entire pocket-universe and narrative to the foibles of a handful of teenagers is the result of some kind of weird evolution or whether someone wrote the rules to begin with. I'm imagining a vast multiverse ecosystem, where those universes with more primitive Sburb-analogues that were not well-suited to their players failing to reproduce, natural selection over aeons creating games optimized toward guiding their players through the reproductive process necessary to make new universes (and new versions of Sburb, patterned off the successful one).
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Which would definitely leave plenty of wiggle room for a system that runs well and produces viable universes but nevertheless contains pointless sliding block puzzles. Evolution is great.
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YggiDee posted:The entire arc of Weird Romance poo poo seems like some kind of one-upmanship between Andrew Hussie and the Weird Porn Corner of the fanbase. Any time they ship someone Hussie reveals something to make it either horrific (Surprise! You're siblings, Mandatory Government Dictated Reproduction) or nightmarishly complex (Quadrants, whatever is going on with leprechauns, the Beforus Romantic Quagmire) or both (CHERUBS). Neither side shows any sign of backing down. It's like watching the arms buildup from the worst parts of the Cold War all over again. I hope The Felt find true love, whatever combination of lucky charms that is.
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Dolash you are reawakening my ancient hunger for a decent tabletop version of Sburb. There was one that tried to do it, and it was a mechanical mess with rolling 1d4 and drawing one card from a standard deck because of course you have to mantaint the bloody 4/13 no matter how unpractical it gets. e: 13 because there are 13 cards in each suit. paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 21, 2015 |
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David Copperfield posted:I hope The Felt find true love, whatever combination of lucky charms that is. star-heart-horseshoe, obviously
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Blue moons-rainbows-red balloons clearly
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paradoxGentleman posted:Dolash you are reawakening my ancient hunger for a decent tabletop version of Sburb. Check out Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine
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Reminder to anyone that forgot that the felt stuff is literally just a list of lucky charms pieces sometimes, homestuck is really, really good.
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Tollymain posted:Check out Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine Chuubo works pretty well if I do say so myself, since the slice-of-life aspects help you model the character-development-happens-between-scenes-where you can't see it aspect of Homestuck. On the other hand, Chuubo definitely gives your character an arc, and I'm starting to think even more than I did that the big theme of Homestuck is "real people don't have arcs."
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Rand Brittain posted:I'm starting to think even more than I did that the big theme of Homestuck is "real people don't have arcs." I read Homestuck through novel-flavored glasses, but I think the big theme is "adolescence is the real arc". The adventures matter, and the adventures are what the strip is about dramatically, but the arc of the strip is growing up, and the things that happen to you in puberty as you start to figure out (maybe) who you are and what you want. Hence the pointless adolescent romances in Act 6 (was it?). It is especially ironic that Dave's the one saying "real people don't have arcs" because he's the one with the most obvious interior arc.
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The whole theme of "growing up" and such is kind of making me think that the comic is going to end with all the god-tier characters losing their godhood, tbh. Because being an immortal is not really conducive to themes of having to deal with all the poo poo that comes along with being an adult. Maybe taking out LE will somehow gently caress up the clockwork magyycks that empower them or something. Speaking of LE, I'm increasingly starting to believe that defeating him will involve preventing him from being created more than killing his big skull bastard form. The big man himself is just a really crap villain and I have a hard time caring very much about him being destroyed. Shutting down Caliborn's juvenile power fantasy, on the other hand, seems much more satisfying.
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paranoid randroid posted:The whole theme of "growing up" and such is kind of making me think that the comic is going to end with all the god-tier characters losing their godhood, tbh. Because being an immortal is not really conducive to themes of having to deal with all the poo poo that comes along with being an adult. Maybe taking out LE will somehow gently caress up the clockwork magyycks that empower them or something. Also I feel like at this point LE is, honestly, more than a match for the entirety of the crew. E: Yeah Caliborn could take half the crew and LE seems waaaay stronger than Caliborn. Magres fucked around with this message at 19:19 on May 22, 2015 |
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That's kind of his thing too, he just can't be overcome through regular means. You have to find a way around his "invincible, immortal" NPC flag.
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If you switch the dominant cherub to Calliope, everything resets. However, Hussie has said he won't do a dumb ending. I have just had the most terrible idea. Calliopesprite.
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paranoid randroid posted:The whole theme of "growing up" and such is kind of making me think that the comic is going to end Hahahahahahahaha never 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:If you switch the dominant cherub to Calliope, everything resets. However, Hussie has said he won't do a dumb ending. They still have one unprototyped kernel left. E: vvv I'm hoping that she'd liven up some if given the chance to once again influence the world. If you died and had to spend an eternity watching your evil bodymate rampage across the universe doing horrible things with no way to do anything about it, I think you'd pretty much either come to terms with it and be super peaceful the way Calliope is or completely lose the ability to have any grip on reality. Calliope isn't super interesting, but by far the worst thing about her is the light green text on a white background. My eyes 
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Calliope is terrible and boring, so I very much hope Calliopesprite does not happen.
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I like Calliope, and I get the impression, between her and Tavros, that you people really have it in for genuinely nice character. I will, however, check out Chuubo in the hopes that it works. I appreciate the suggestion. paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 22, 2015 |
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