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I think it'd be funny if this section was all a totally benign way to get Hel's high priest to the Godsmoot and nothing bad happens. Something bad will almost certainly happen but it would be funny if it didn't.
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That was decidedly less organic than the last strip (the poor, battered fourth wall) and we'd already figured out that vampire Durkon knew where the Godsmoot was and was just going through the charade to get someone to say it in front of Roy, but still, good the ball is rolling. I don't know if the Godsmoot clerics have some other plan in mind, but if they're gathering up priests of Ressurection-casting quality presumably that'd be a force that could take on Xykon. The new pace of updates is pretty impressive.
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May 21, 2015 23:30
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I am not sure my brain can cope with regular updates at this point in my life.
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May 21, 2015 23:35
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Personally I'm still not entirely convinced I haven't had a psychotic break and am just IMAGINING new pages.
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May 22, 2015 00:09
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reignonyourparade posted:Personally I'm still not entirely convinced I haven't had a psychotic break and am just IMAGINING new pages. That tiger doesn't look like a stick figure of a tiger, so it's probably just a weird dream you're making.
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May 22, 2015 00:21
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Shugojin posted:I think it'd be funny if this section was all a totally benign way to get Hel's high priest to the Godsmoot and nothing bad happens. I wouldn't discount it. If Hel is like The Dark One it's possible she would try for diplomacy first by sending her high priest to negotiate a higher standing in the pantheon somehow. Then the 'Good' Gods would refuse her for the sake of status quo, and we'd have the moral ambiguity Rich loves so much.
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May 22, 2015 00:36
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Considering that as soon as they reach the place Roy will want to know why Durkon isn't asking a nice priest about a Resurrection, I imagine the pretense of cooperation ends then.
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May 22, 2015 00:39
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blizzardvizard posted:I wouldn't discount it. If Hel is like The Dark One it's possible she would try for diplomacy first by sending her high priest to negotiate a higher standing in the pantheon somehow. Then the 'Good' Gods would refuse her for the sake of status quo, and we'd have the moral ambiguity Rich loves so much. I think Hel will be another exception to the Moral Ambiguity rule, the same way as Xykon or the Archfiends. edit: actually, thinking about it, the Dark One and Redcloak are the only villains who are really at all sympathetic cargohills fucked around with this message at 00:44 on May 22, 2015 |
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May 22, 2015 00:40
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The Dark One has a legitimate complaint. Hel's just evil.
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May 22, 2015 00:42
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I'm not sure if my weak heart can take this pace of updates. I feel exhausted.
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May 22, 2015 00:43
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Pope Guilty posted:The Dark One has a legitimate complaint. Hel's just evil. Hel, in the actual myth at least, had some pretty legitimate grievances really. Like being made to live all alone and rule over the dishonored dead because she was ugly, the various kinslayings (one of the worst crimes possible) the gods committed against her family (I think that's also why Loki did some of the more heinous poo poo he did actually, the gods killing some kids of his or something, which was considered kinslaying since he and Odin were blood-brothers; I need to find the specifics on this though, but a friend familiar with this said this was a big part of the Ragnarok, since the gods had sown their own destruction in multiple ways and that was one of them), and so on. Heck, she's not even supposed to be evil, just stern and unpleasant because, you know, exiled to the far reaches of nowhere because we don't like looking at her, if I recall correctly. Also Redcloak is a genocidal rear end in a top hat and a major hypocrite, so screw him.
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May 22, 2015 01:06
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'that could have been money I spent on a nice cameo', haha
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May 22, 2015 01:20
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All of Loki's kids got pretty hosed over. Hel's brothers are the world-surrounding snake, Odin's eight legged horse and a giant wolf who kicks off the end of the world. She was born literally half dead and rotting. Norse Mythology!
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Zore posted:All of Loki's kids got pretty hosed over. Hel's brothers are the world-surrounding snake, Odin's eight legged horse and a giant wolf. A giant wolf who's chained up for being a giant wolf, I might add. Well, also because he was prophesied to kill some gods and all, but that ended up being the gods' fault actually; prior to their attempts to trap Fenrir, he didn't really have any quarrel with them, and in fact they were the ones raising him. However, when he was big enough that they all got worried about said prophecy coming true, they decided to trap him, framing it as a game. He went along with it, breaking out again and again, but he caught on to their plans and, when they came up something that could actually trap him, well, that led to the incident with him biting off Tyr's hand. And then being bound for so long filled him with hate and, well, when Ragnarok comes and he gets loose... Basically the Norse gods are kind of assholes. Loki and his kin are far from blameless, mind, (well, mostly Loki; again, a lot of his kids were wronged first, and in the case of Hel she still put up with the gods for a while after what they did) but I remember Ragnarok being described more or less as the gods getting what was coming to them for past bullshit. Not entirely sure how widely-accepted this interpretation is, but I like it at least.
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Mythology is an attempt to make sense of the world, and the ancients were acutely aware of the fact that the world is an unjust and unforgiving place. This is reflected in their stories.
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Roland Jones posted:Basically the Norse gods are kind of assholes. Loki and his kin are far from blameless, mind, (well, mostly Loki; again, a lot of his kids were wronged first, and in the case of Hel she still put up with the gods for a while after what they did) but I remember Ragnarok being described more or less as the gods getting what was coming to them for past bullshit. Not entirely sure how widely-accepted this interpretation is, but I like it at least. The gods sowing the seeds of their own demise is a major theme in Norse mythology, yes.
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May 22, 2015 04:46
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I just realized that I'm going to be pretty sad when they get rid of Vampire Durkon.
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May 22, 2015 05:51
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Really? He's kind of a flat character on his own. The experience of being vampirized is important to Durkon's arc, but unless we learn more about Hel and the vampire spirit turns out to be more than just some negative energy moulded into a Durkon shape there's not much to it. The vampire is also pretty lucky that this favored soul elf doesn't have the standard religious teaching that'd clue her into a vampire's true nature. Even those gnome priests earlier knew better.
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May 22, 2015 06:54
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It seems pretty strange that the combined forces of the Western and elven gods would only send one representative to this meeting, especially since she's not even a real cleric to boot (and seems like sort of a ditz). If it is a meeting to deal with Xykon, either they don't want it to succeed or they're preparing their own alternative plan. Maybe they're going to escape through the already-open rift on the Western continent?
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Ponsonby Britt posted:It seems pretty strange that the combined forces of the Western and elven gods would only send one representative to this meeting, especially since she's not even a real cleric to boot (and seems like sort of a ditz). If it is a meeting to deal with Xykon, either they don't want it to succeed or they're preparing their own alternative plan. Maybe they're going to escape through the already-open rift on the Western continent?
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Dolash posted:Really? He's kind of a flat character on his own. The experience of being vampirized is important to Durkon's arc, but unless we learn more about Hel and the vampire spirit turns out to be more than just some negative energy moulded into a Durkon shape there's not much to it. I'm not entirely sure that she doesn't. If you read what she says carefully, along with the bodyguard's question, it's consistent with both of them knowing what vampires are like but not realizing that Roy doesn't. The way Roy introduced it, they might think he's friends with Durkon as a vampire, not that Durkon-not-a-vampire WAS his friend. It's also consistent with her not knowing how vampires work, though, so it could go either way.
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May 22, 2015 11:46
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Didn't Rich post a while back that the true nature of vampirism was pretty much unknown even to religious organizations?
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I clicked without checking the url and only realized what I was clicking after the fact. You totally would have gotten me 
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It would only be fair if someone would buy him an OotS avatar about tricking people for that.
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May 22, 2015 15:43
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Ponsonby Britt posted:It seems pretty strange that the combined forces of the Western and elven gods would only send one representative to this meeting, especially since she's not even a real cleric to boot (and seems like sort of a ditz). She's somewhere between level 14 and 16, so she's not exactly small time. 14 to cast level seven spells as a favored soul, less than 17 not to have big, goofy wings.
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May 22, 2015 18:31
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She said "the" favored soul of her god - does each god get one favored soul?
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May 22, 2015 18:36
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MikeJF posted:She said "the" favored soul of her god - does each god get one favored soul? Not necessarily. Favored soul is to cleric as sorcerer is to wizard. Although, Durkula really did overthink this (which I get is part of the joke). But still, a more practical Durkula could have gone, "Good news, Roy! While I was praying, Thor told me about a big ol' Godsmeet up in the mountains! Let's go!"
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Durkula gets a pass on being a vamprie because he's 100% in favor of supporting the pary and helping them save the world--his only "sidequest" he's been pushing is turning himself back to a dwarf. As soon as he starts trying to convince people to stop trying to save the world to go to some place hundreds of miles away that only he knows about because of reasons only he can vouch for, he's gonna drop a few dozen notches on the credibility scale. Even now Roy's been lurking outside of his room suspiciously, and he's been a model party member.
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MikeJF posted:She said "the" favored soul of her god - does each god get one favored soul? It would make sense they are supposed to be special.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Even now Roy's been lurking outside of his room suspiciously, and he's been a model party member. That one time or were there other times?
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Mystic Mongol posted:Durkula gets a pass on being a vamprie because he's 100% in favor of supporting the pary and helping them save the world--his only "sidequest" he's been pushing is turning himself back to a dwarf. As soon as he starts trying to convince people to stop trying to save the world to go to some place hundreds of miles away that only he knows about because of reasons only he can vouch for, he's gonna drop a few dozen notches on the credibility scale. Even now Roy's been lurking outside of his room suspiciously, and he's been a model party member. That's a pretty good point. Welp. Guess I'm not nearly paranoid to be a PC.
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Capfalcon posted:That's a pretty good point. Welp. Guess I'm not nearly paranoid to be a PC. Yeah, you wouldn't last 5 rounds in Tomb of Horrors
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Raenir Salazar posted:That one time or were there other times? We've only seen him spying that one time, but between that and the fact that Roy's spent all his time in gnomeland following Durkula around it's safe to assume he's keeping pretty close watch over the undead monster. He's been all smiles and emotional support, but remember the conversation with V--Roy doesn't trust Durkula, and while D was allowed to wander about the ship, ever since they hit a populated area Roy's never been more than ten feet away.
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Capfalcon posted:Not necessarily. Favored soul is to cleric as sorcerer is to wizard. Also, like Sorcerors, Favored Souls use Charisma instead of Wisdom to cast spells, which explains the whole "really very nice but not given much to thinking things through" aspect she has.
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May 22, 2015 21:19
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Imagine the conversation that's going to happen when she meets Elan.
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May 22, 2015 21:46
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Too alike. They'll get into an ecumenical dispute concerning Banjo's exact theological status and spend the whole trip glaring at each other from across the ship.
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Dolash posted:Too alike. They'll get into an ecumenical dispute concerning Banjo's exact theological status and spend the whole trip glaring at each other from across the ship. Right up until one of them sees something shiny.
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Dolash posted:Too alike. They'll get into an ecumenical dispute concerning Banjo's exact theological status and spend the whole trip glaring at each other from across the ship. That or she'd promise to find a way to make Banjo a member of the Elvish pantheon.
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MikeJF posted:She said "the" favored soul of her god - does each god get one favored soul? It's probably just because her god is "really minor". There's probably another explanation forthcoming, but for now I like to think this is because she was literally written into the creation at the behest of a single person.
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Rumda posted:It would make sense they are supposed to be special. She said it was a minor diety (like say a kickstarter backer), so said god might not be able to have more than one Favoured Soul. Also I guess people were right to comment on how low wisdom she seemed to be for a Cleric.  e;fb
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