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Stelas
Sep 6, 2010

fozzy fosbourne posted:

BEHOLD



THATS THE REAL LOGO

Oh poo poo

why isn't that on the box, come on

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jmzero
Jul 24, 2007

My main concern with Tragedy Looper being anime was that it would have terrible writing (it did!), cruddy generic art (it did!) and mostly that it would preclude playing it with a some people. And it did. There was at least 3 people in my group who might have enjoyed it but wouldn't try it because of theme/art.

Many people here might think "mmm anime is a diverse medium and it would be insane to cut yourself off from all of it", but that's a rarity - most people I know either have some fondness for anime (a small minority) or its a big negative (vast majority): for them it's all weird perverted crap. And, to be fair to them, a solid chunk of it absolutely is weird perverted crap. I have negative desire to get drawn into a real life discussion about how some anime is pretty good and it's a different culture and grandma why are you throwing those books away IT'S ART.

I bought Tragedy Looper and had some fun with it. I recommend at least giving it a try.

But it is really extra not hard to understand why anime-ness makes some people less likely to buy it. Whatever you might think about anime, there's a good chance lots of rational, normal people you know will sincerely hate it (and may, very realistically, make fun of you just for owning it).

The worst submarine
Apr 26, 2010

post your anime cards itt

The worst submarine fucked around with this message at 02:51 on May 22, 2015

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
How does a harem give you money :confuoot:

p sure thats a bordello if it generates income

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Anime is about being strong as gently caress in a world full of poo poo

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





To the guy wanting to buy the reprint of Tash Kalar

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O4CMRQU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I bought this and it was the second printing.

The worst submarine
Apr 26, 2010

Countblanc posted:

Anime is about being strong as gently caress in a world full of poo poo

Beffer
Sep 25, 2007
Now someone do Vlaada as an anime

OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]

The worst submarine posted:

post your anime cards itt

hold on while i post the entire spoiler for Tanto Cuore

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.

jmzero posted:

My main concern with Tragedy Looper being anime was that it would have terrible writing (it did!), cruddy generic art (it did!) and mostly that it would preclude playing it with a some people. And it did. There was at least 3 people in my group who might have enjoyed it but wouldn't try it because of theme/art.

Many people here might think "mmm anime is a diverse medium and it would be insane to cut yourself off from all of it", but that's a rarity - most people I know either have some fondness for anime (a small minority) or its a big negative (vast majority): for them it's all weird perverted crap. And, to be fair to them, a solid chunk of it absolutely is weird perverted crap. I have negative desire to get drawn into a real life discussion about how some anime is pretty good and it's a different culture and grandma why are you throwing those books away IT'S ART.

I bought Tragedy Looper and had some fun with it. I recommend at least giving it a try.

But it is really extra not hard to understand why anime-ness makes some people less likely to buy it. Whatever you might think about anime, there's a good chance lots of rational, normal people you know will sincerely hate it (and may, very realistically, make fun of you just for owning it).

Most "normal" people actually don't give a poo poo one way or another but on board game night you're going to be hanging out with huge nerds who have huge nerd opinions.

Evil Vin
Jun 14, 2006

♪ Sing everybody "Deutsche Deutsche"
Vaya con dios amigos! ♪


Fallen Rib
I'm trying to learn Mage Knight and I'm playing solo to teach my friends but I'm kind of feeling like I'm missing a few things.

1. If I run out of cards / don't kill a monster I'm battling (i.e. a raging orc) does that battle end or do I continue it next turn? If the battle ends does the monster keep it's damage?

2. I'm not sure about the limit to to things I could to on a turn. It says one action but then makes it sound as if actions are only attack or interacting with towns. So does that mean I can play as many other cards as I want? (Like cards that give me mana or something.)

Is there any set of simple rules out there any people recommend?

Stelas
Sep 6, 2010

Evil Vin posted:

1. If I run out of cards / don't kill a monster I'm battling (i.e. a raging orc) does that battle end or do I continue it next turn? If the battle ends does the monster keep it's damage?

The battle ends and the monster does not stay damaged. Everything in MK is all-or-nothing - you either block an attack fully or take all the damage (though that damage may be split amongst you + your units) and you either kill an enemy or it's undamaged.

quote:

2. I'm not sure about the limit to to things I could to on a turn. It says one action but then makes it sound as if actions are only attack or interacting with towns. So does that mean I can play as many other cards as I want? (Like cards that give me mana or something.)

You can move and then perform only one action - i.e. interacting with a location or fighting a roaming enemy from a specific hex. You can play any number of cards around that action, but cannot move after the action. Symbols in the top-left of cards indicate which phases a card relates to - those with a + can be used at any time on your turn.

quote:

Is there any set of simple rules out there any people recommend?

Check out Ricky Royal's videos.

Stelas fucked around with this message at 04:18 on May 22, 2015

Evil Vin
Jun 14, 2006

♪ Sing everybody "Deutsche Deutsche"
Vaya con dios amigos! ♪


Fallen Rib

Stelas posted:

Check out Ricky Royal's videos.

Thanks I'll give that a watch.

jmzero
Jul 24, 2007

quote:

Most "normal" people actually don't give a poo poo one way or another but on board game night you're going to be hanging out with huge nerds who have huge nerd opinions.

Normal people may not spend a lot of time thinking about them, but the idea that "Japanese cartoons are weird and perverted" is absolutely a mainstream stereotype. If you think normal people would be more likely than "huge nerds" to try Tragedy Looper (or watch some anime) then you've completely lost track of what normal people are like.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.

jmzero posted:

Normal people may not spend a lot of time thinking about them, but the idea that "Japanese cartoons are weird and perverted" is absolutely a mainstream stereotype. If you think normal people would be more likely than "huge nerds" to try Tragedy Looper (or watch some anime) then you've completely lost track of what normal people are like.

"Normal" people generally can't tell or care what genre the cartoon men on the card game their nerd friend is showing them are. They're cartoon dudes and most people don't give a poo poo what cartoons their nerd friend is interested in and aren't going to have their ANIME RADAR alerted by Tragedy Looper's art because, spoiler alert, only nerds give enough of a poo poo to have an ANIME RADAR in the first place. Non-nerds are unlikely to encounter Tragedy Looper in the first place, but they're also unlikely to encounter Viticulture or Argent or whatever other games the thread loves unless a nerd friend springs it on them.

(Also, I suspect these days more mainstream people will think "Pokemon" than "porn cartoons" if the subject of Japanese cartoons comes up.)

Benly fucked around with this message at 06:15 on May 22, 2015

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -
Man, I'm sure glad I never made an anime game or else everybody would automatically assume it's weird and perverted

The worst submarine
Apr 26, 2010

jmzero
Jul 24, 2007

quote:

Man, I'm sure glad I never made an anime game or else everybody would automatically assume it's weird and perverted

Just most people would assume that. And us, because we know you're weird and perverted.

quote:

"Normal" people generally can't tell or care what genre the cartoon men on the card game their nerd friend is showing them are.

Again, you're just wrong - pretty much everyone sees differences and most care. Lots of people are a little nerdy - there's a threshold of nerdiness they're OK with. They watch Big Bang Theory and superhero movies and play Call of Duty and Mario. They wouldn't watch Star Trek or play World of Warcraft, but they know people who do. And lots of normal people play Settlers. It has a box with cartoon people on it. But they're not the same kind of cartoon people that are on the Tragedy Looper box (or the Argent box or the Sentinels box or the Tash Kalar box). People - nerds and non-nerds alike - have a whole set of preconceptions pop up when they see Disney style or comic book or fantasy art.

I've played games with lots of mixed groups of people - co-workers, old friends from high school, people my parents know, teammates from rec league basketball, other soccer parents, lots of people - and there's huge drop offs in how well people react to games based on the type of art on the box. Nobody objects to friendly abstract cartoons like on the Apples to Apples box. Most people are fine with Ticket to Ride or 7 Wonders type art/setting. Lots of people are OK with something like Kemet. But I've started hiding the Tash Kalar box because people make fun of it. And I've always hid stuff like Krosmaster or Tragedy Looper - because they clearly, consistently signal a level of weirdness that people are generally uncomfortable with. These differences are not some nerd culture artifact - people from lots of different backgrounds react pretty similarly.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.

jmzero posted:

Just most people would assume that. And us, because we know you're weird and perverted.


Again, you're just wrong - pretty much everyone sees differences and most care. Lots of people are a little nerdy - there's a threshold of nerdiness they're OK with. They watch Big Bang Theory and superhero movies and play Call of Duty and Mario. They wouldn't watch Star Trek or play World of Warcraft, but they know people who do. And lots of normal people play Settlers. It has a box with cartoon people on it. But they're not the same kind of cartoon people that are on the Tragedy Looper box (or the Argent box or the Sentinels box or the Tash Kalar box). People - nerds and non-nerds alike - have a whole set of preconceptions pop up when they see Disney style or comic book or fantasy art.

I've played games with lots of mixed groups of people - co-workers, old friends from high school, people my parents know, teammates from rec league basketball, other soccer parents, lots of people - and there's huge drop offs in how well people react to games based on the type of art on the box. Nobody objects to friendly abstract cartoons like on the Apples to Apples box. Most people are fine with Ticket to Ride or 7 Wonders type art/setting. Lots of people are OK with something like Kemet. But I've started hiding the Tash Kalar box because people make fun of it. And I've always hid stuff like Krosmaster or Tragedy Looper - because they clearly, consistently signal a level of weirdness that people are generally uncomfortable with. These differences are not some nerd culture artifact - people from lots of different backgrounds react pretty similarly.

Your experience has been pretty different from mine, then. I really have a hard time imagining most people I've dealt with who aren't already invested in nerdiness having more of a problem with "anime-styled art" on the game than they do with the convoluted time-travel murder mystery premise to begin with.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

This is fantastic.

Stelas
Sep 6, 2010

jmzero posted:

But I've started hiding the Tash Kalar box because people make fun of it.

Haha what?



I think you need to get less judgmental friends.

I sprung Tragedy Looper on some normal workmates and have yet to be ostracized for it. Surely they're just waiting to drop the bomb.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.

Stelas posted:

Haha what?



I think you need to get less judgmental friends.

I sprung Tragedy Looper on some normal workmates and have yet to be ostracized for it. Surely they're just waiting to drop the bomb.

One of your coworkers pauses as realization dawns. "The cartoons on these cards... are they Japanese? Are you trying to ANIME me, you pedophile?!" Your life is over.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Stelas posted:

I sprung Tragedy Looper on some normal workmates and have yet to be ostracized for it. Surely they're just waiting to drop the bomb.

That joke was pretty Enola Gay.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
So essentially I was right about the reason people recoil from anything even vaguely "anime" is they either assume that it's all Pretty Warrior Tentacle Rape Panty Explosion or they assume that's what all their friends will think they're into because of it.

Hey, speaking of board games that way overuse dice, last forever, and are generally terrible, Transylvania: Curses and Traitors kind of sucks.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
I haven't been to BGG in a hot minute, did something happen to propel Machi Koro, Shogun, and A Study in Emerald to a decent position in The Hotness?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Can't even fit a deck and discard pile on a go board, -10/10 try harder ghost of board games.

Bubble-T
Dec 26, 2004

You know, I've got a funny feeling I've seen this all before.

Countblanc posted:

I haven't been to BGG in a hot minute, did something happen to propel Machi Koro, Shogun, and A Study in Emerald to a decent position in The Hotness?

Spiel nomination, Big box kickstarter, 2nd Edition.

Dr. Video Games 0069
Jan 1, 2006

nice dolphin, nigga

Countblanc posted:

I haven't been to BGG in a hot minute, did something happen to propel Machi Koro, Shogun, and A Study in Emerald to a decent position in The Hotness?

Machi Koro was nominated for Spiel des Jahres, Shogun is getting a kickstarter for new box set/expansions, Study in Emerald is getting a 2nd edition.

edit: is it worse that I knew all this off hand or that someone else beat me to it?

Bubble-T
Dec 26, 2004

You know, I've got a funny feeling I've seen this all before.

Dr. Video Games 0069 posted:

Machi Koro was nominated for Spiel des Jahres, Shogun is getting a kickstarter for new box set/expansions, Study in Emerald is getting a 2nd edition.

edit: is it worse that I knew all this off hand or that someone else beat me to it?

Both, I had to look up BGG to see what was going on with Shogun so you're nerdier and slower.

QnoisX
Jul 20, 2007

It'll be like a real doll that moves around and talks and stuff!
So I got my copy of Dungeon Lords Happy Anniversary. There are only 4 of those plastic token containers inside. The images showing how to arrange the bits on their website show them using 7 containers. Did they leave some out or is that normal? If it's normal is there a way to order extras? Also not sure where to put the 4 small round tokens with clown faces or the 5 gear tokens with rounded centers. Either way, going to take me a while to get all of these stickers applied.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

The End posted:

Study in Emerald

Thanks for all the answers, they helped.

The End
Apr 16, 2007

You're welcome.

Fat Samurai posted:

Thanks for all the answers, they helped.

No worries. If he's contemplating it because of the second edition that's coming up, it's considerably simpler than the first edition and plays out in about a third of the time.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

QnoisX posted:

So I got my copy of Dungeon Lords Happy Anniversary. There are only 4 of those plastic token containers inside. The images showing how to arrange the bits on their website show them using 7 containers. Did they leave some out or is that normal? If it's normal is there a way to order extras? Also not sure where to put the 4 small round tokens with clown faces or the 5 gear tokens with rounded centers. Either way, going to take me a while to get all of these stickers applied.

The extra 3 were kickstarter bonuses

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

The End posted:

No worries. If he's contemplating it because of the second edition that's coming up, it's considerably simpler than the first edition and plays out in about a third of the time.

Yeah, I think it was because of that. He's decided to pull the trigger.

I managed to convince him not to get Serpent's Tongue, so I feel I have some leeway regarding bad recomendations for a while :D

Zark the Damned
Mar 9, 2013





:japan:

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Broken Loose posted:

Man, I'm sure glad I never made an anime game or else everybody would automatically assume it's weird and perverted

Tokusatsu isn't anime :colbert:

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

Wait, there is an anime about Go? Do they put the pieces down with the finality of a coffin being closed? Are there thunders and japanese letter in the background during the games? How do you make Anime Go dramatic?

Aston
Nov 19, 2007

Okay
Okay
Okay
Okay
Okay

You have to believe in the heart of the stones.

Scyther
Dec 29, 2010

Speaking of Go and animes, there's at least one cutscene in Dynasty Warriors where Go is played. It's unfortunately not very dramatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe3jGhV6uFE

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fezball
Nov 8, 2009

Fat Samurai posted:

Wait, there is an anime about Go? Do they put the pieces down with the finality of a coffin being closed? Are there thunders and japanese letter in the background during the games? How do you make Anime Go dramatic?

There sure is, and it's actually pretty decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru_no_Go

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