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I can't stand Vastra and company, they were okay for one or two appearances but now they've worn out their welcome. They should have exited stage left after The Name of the Doctor. I also really didn't like how Moffat undercut a mindblowing scene with Jenny's "I think I've been murdered" by bringing her back to life instantaneously. "The Great Intelligence kidnapped us to another planet, including the dead girl, but luckily he left us a space defibrillator!" If Jenny had stayed dead, it would have at least given Vastra a dramatic scene where she wasn't overwhelmingly and unbearably smug.
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Why did the Doctor go out of his way to show the Great Intelligence a map of the London underground and mention that it was a key strategic weak point in The Snowmen? I know about the yetis in the underground that Two faced and all that, and I understand that in Snowmen it's the GI before it got around to that, but why did he do that? And why did Vastra or whoever it was go out of their way to go "well it's highly unlikely that the London Underground will ever become a key strategic weak point"? And why was The Snowmen so loving bad?
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May 22, 2015 03:45
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I think the point was that he had that lunchbox (was it a lunchbox? I forgot) lying around and used it to hide the memory worm in, and babbled about the London Underground map because Rule One The Doctor Babbles, and also to retroactively set up the Great Intelligence in earlier episodes. To answer your later question, The Snowmen was actually good.
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May 22, 2015 04:33
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Yeah, it's like, third best for Christmas Specials. There's only been three good Christmas Specials, though.
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May 22, 2015 04:37
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I was super-excited for Season 8 and Capaldi, and I was horrified at how bad I found much of the opening half of Deep Breath. But then it gets good, REALLY good. Then it gets even better, then it gets amazing! And though this should really be a mark against it, in hindsight the scene with Missy is incredible because now we have all the context for who she is, what she's like.
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May 22, 2015 06:02
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Jerusalem posted:I was super-excited for Season 8 and Capaldi, and I was horrified at how bad I found much of the opening half of Deep Breath. But then it gets good, REALLY good. Then it gets even better, then it gets amazing! And though this should really be a mark against it, in hindsight the scene with Missy is incredible because now we have all the context for who she is, what she's like. Season 8 on the whole is really good, except for Forest of the Night. That one's just a trainwreck of terrible.
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May 22, 2015 06:10
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I was really pleased overall with season 8, but yeah holy poo poo did Forest stand out as particularly terrible. Doctor Who and the Space Spiders was pretty poor too, but everything else was good to excellent.
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May 22, 2015 06:21
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Kill the Moon (mostly) owns, gently caress the haters.
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May 22, 2015 06:34
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I'm really happy with Capaldi, though he still feels like he's not 100% nailed down who his Doctor is, but Clara and Danny and that final two parter can gently caress off. Luckily the Christmas special was really good, I just wish it had been her swan song.
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May 22, 2015 08:40
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Jerusalem posted:I was really pleased overall with season 8, but yeah holy poo poo did Forest stand out as particularly terrible. Doctor Who and the Space Spiders was pretty poor too, but everything else was good to excellent. Kill the Moon was at least entertainingly bad. Forest of the Night is just outright bad, with a pretty goddamn awful message to boot.
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May 22, 2015 09:14
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Forest of the Night is just outright bad, with a pretty goddamn awful message to boot. I was expecting them to go with a time-displaced jurrasic forest or whatever. Nope just Gaia theory bullshit delivered in the worst possible way.
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May 22, 2015 12:38
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Pesky Splinter posted:I was expecting them to go with a time-displaced jurrasic forest or whatever. Nope just Gaia theory bullshit delivered in the worst possible way. Dont forget telling all the little kiddies they don't need their psych meds, the Doctor says you're just special  .
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May 22, 2015 13:10
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2house2fly posted:I think the point was that he had that lunchbox (was it a lunchbox? I forgot) lying around and used it to hide the memory worm in, and babbled about the London Underground map because Rule One The Doctor Babbles, and also to retroactively set up the Great Intelligence in earlier episodes. Sorry it's bad. Really bad.
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May 22, 2015 15:04
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Pesky Splinter posted:I was expecting them to go with a time-displaced jurrasic forest or whatever. Nope just Gaia theory bullshit delivered in the worst possible way. "The planet's dyin' Clara!"
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May 22, 2015 15:27
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Dabir posted:Sorry it's bad. Really bad. Lately I've been watching through season 7, for the first time. I thought The Snowmen was actually pretty good, though the single word answer that Clara gives to get the Doctor out of retirement was pretty stupid. As it is, its just blind luck that 'Pond' has a deeper significance as an answer for the Doctor, and the villain happens to be hibernating in a pond. As I was watching that scene I was guessing that the word would be 'children', as children were directly in danger in that scenario and season 5 established that the Doctor cares for children above all, and I still feel that that would have been a much better reason for the doctor to help out.
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May 22, 2015 15:41
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To me it came off as an hour-long session of Moffat wanking furiously while going LOOK! LOOK HOW DIFFERENT AND SPECIAL CLARA IS! SHE DIDN'T SAY IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! THE DOCTOR'S BLATANTLY FALLEN IN LOVE WITH HER ALREADY! ISN'T SHE AMAZING!
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May 22, 2015 15:49
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Dabir posted:SHE DIDN'T SAY IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! Please, they've been playing on variations of that one for ages, it's not like that makes her unique.
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May 22, 2015 16:00
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I guess after the whole Doctor and Rose thing during the RTD era, a single hour of the Doctor falling in love didn't seem that bad...
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May 22, 2015 16:01
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When Rory first saw it he just looked around calmly and went "oh, it's another dimension".
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May 22, 2015 16:01
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Dabir posted:To me it came off as an hour-long session of Moffat wanking furiously while going LOOK! LOOK HOW DIFFERENT AND SPECIAL CLARA IS! SHE DIDN'T SAY IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! THE DOCTOR'S BLATANTLY FALLEN IN LOVE WITH HER ALREADY! ISN'T SHE AMAZING! Weird Sandwich posted:I guess after the whole Doctor and Rose thing during the RTD era, a single hour of the Doctor falling in love didn't seem that bad... It's been awhile since I last watched those episodes, but wasn't he more excited about the strange mystery surrounding her than anything?
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May 22, 2015 16:03
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, it's like, third best for Christmas Specials. There's only been three good Christmas Specials, though. What are the other two, Christmas Invasion and?
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May 22, 2015 16:07
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He didn't figure out she was the same person from Asylum Of The Daleks until the end of the episode, before then she was just someone who made an impression. "Fell in love" is a bit strong but they certainly bonded. I've seen Moffat get stick for his companions having some secret or mystery that makes then special rather than just being people who come along, but I liked how it turned out the mystery around Clara was because she'd jumped into the Doctor's time stream and she was otherwise totally ordinary. In the end what made her "special" was being a good person who did something brave to save her friend.
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May 22, 2015 16:08
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marktheando posted:What are the other two, Christmas Invasion and? Actually I hate Christmas Invasion with a passion. My list would go A Christmas Carol, Last Christmas, and The Snowmen.
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May 22, 2015 16:12
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There did seem to be a little romantic subtext in The Snowmen, but it was all one-sided from that episodes version of Clara.
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May 22, 2015 16:12
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HD DAD posted:Actually I hate Christmas Invasion with a passion. My list would go A Christmas Carol, Last Christmas, and The Snowmen. Oh yeah last Christmas is good. I don't like Snowmen so my list of good Christmas specials would just be Christmas Invasion and Last Christmas.
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May 22, 2015 16:22
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2house2fly posted:
That's a nice way to look at it, and it sort of explains why I like her character a lot better after the mystery of her is solved. I do like The Snowmen a lot, though.
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May 22, 2015 16:25
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The real list of objectively good Doctor Who christmas episodes is The Christmas Invasion, The Runaway Bride, The Snowmen and Last Christmas
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May 22, 2015 16:29
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The Christmas Carol episode is good.
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May 22, 2015 16:29
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cargohills posted:The real list of objectively good Doctor Who christmas episodes is The Christmas Invasion, The Runaway Bride, The Snowmen and Last Christmas Runaway Bride has Catherine Tate at her most annoying. I like Donna in her later appearances, but she's really intolerable in Runaway Bride. Bicyclops posted:The Christmas Carol episode is good. It's OK.
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May 22, 2015 16:33
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Bicyclops posted:The Christmas Carol episode is good. I was actually a little sad about the fake-out, because Clara turning out to be old and enjoying her last Christmas with the Doctor really would've been a great ending for her. Not to say she's been a bad companion, just that it would've been a really good surprise ending on its own. I did like the Doctor muttering on about how he can't tell if she's old or not  .
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May 22, 2015 18:08
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Bicyclops posted:The Christmas Carol episode is bad. ftfy
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May 22, 2015 18:12
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I was actually a little sad about the fake-out, because Clara turning out to be old and enjoying her last Christmas with the Doctor really would've been a great ending for her. Not to say she's been a bad companion, just that it would've been a really good surprise ending on its own. I did like the Doctor muttering on about how he can't tell if she's old or not You can thank Jenna Coleman for changing her mind about leaving at the very last second for that fake-out.
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May 22, 2015 18:13
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HD DAD posted:You can thank Jenna Coleman for changing her mind about leaving at the very last second for that fake-out. I know, but just on its own merits it was damned good and a little sad it had to be faked-out.
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May 22, 2015 18:20
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Re: the doctor having a thing for Clara. Everyone seems to be choosing to forget that terrible "in a tight skirt" line from Nightmare in Silver.
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May 22, 2015 18:32
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I think everyone forgot Nightmare in Silver on purpose.
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May 22, 2015 18:55
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Bicyclops posted:That's a nice way to look at it, and it sort of explains why I like her character a lot better after the mystery of her is solved. I do like The Snowmen a lot, though. Well, also, after the mystery of her is solved she's mainly with Capaldi, who she's amazing with.
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NarkyBark posted:I think everyone forgot Nightmare in Silver on purpose. Which is all the more disappointing because there was so much hype going into it. Gaiman, Warwick Davis, and revamped Cybermen should have been an easy slam dunk.
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May 22, 2015 19:14
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Still can't believe they just made them the Borg.
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May 22, 2015 20:03
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DoctorWhat posted:Kill the Moon (mostly) owns, gently caress the haters. OK DoctorWhat, you're a good kid. But you keep using the term haters and I will know no respect for you. You're better than that.
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Dabir posted:Still can't believe they just made them the Borg. Adapting to survive has been the Cyberman thing for 50 years or thereabouts, it's not like the Borg were that innovative
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