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Xolve posted:Because EHP doesn't matter on Blops- if you're taking a fight with a brawl heavy gang, take Redeemers and double plated logi Sins (which are still arguably terrible). You only need enough of a tank to live through 1-2 vollies from whatever you jumped onto. Dickwaving with RR fleets on SiSi.
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mikey posted:It would actually need a meaningful drawback too, like a smaller size, otherwise you can just park two HICs at a gate and render nullification meaningless. Give it a 12-15km radius, and you need a lot more than two of them to cover a gate. How about only allowing a HIC to activate that script if he currently isn't affected by non-targeted interdiction? So he can't be in other bubbles, so you cant block a gate (without having a lot of hics) from both bubble immune and non bubble immune things.
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May 23, 2015 02:48
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:What would you use a Black Ops Carrier for, if you had one? Pretty sure all carriers carry a cloak in their Hangar somewhere, I'm not proposing a black ops carrier- simply stating, drop a triage carrier if you think you'd need it.
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May 23, 2015 02:54
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Xolve posted:Pretty sure all carriers carry a cloak in their Hangar somewhere, I'm not proposing a black ops carrier- simply stating, drop a triage carrier if you think you'd need it. Carriers can't jump to covert cynos. Sort of defeats the purpose of having a covert cyno with a bunch of blops things if you are planning on bringing a carrier.
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May 23, 2015 03:25
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CainFortea posted:Carriers can't jump to covert cynos. Sort of defeats the purpose of having a covert cyno with a bunch of blops things if you are planning on bringing a carrier. Most bait ships can't fit covert cynos, so you're point is pretty invalid.
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May 23, 2015 03:35
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Xolve posted:Most bait ships can't fit covert cynos, so you're point is pretty invalid. Not all cynos are on bait ships.
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May 23, 2015 03:41
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CainFortea posted:Not all cynos are on bait ships. Please, whatever you do, don't make my point for me. It's almost like- you could have a brick tanked ship with a regular cyno fitted for an emergency situation where you'd need Triage.
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May 23, 2015 03:43
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Put the regular cyno on the force recon, cyno the recon to the covert cyno, cyno the carrier to the recon. It's like Russian nesting dolls! 
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May 23, 2015 03:51
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Xolve posted:Please, whatever you do, don't make my point for me. Your fit is still terrible hth. What's the fun of piling a bunch of blops battleships on someone who won't shoot back? Just use bombers for that, instead of manning your overpriced autism chariot that has less ehp than a recon.
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May 23, 2015 03:57
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Had my first go in a fleet action tonight, 80 pilots or so and me in the amarr ewar frigate. Not sure if I enjoyed it or not. We did get in a fight, stomped them pretty hard near as I can tell, but it didn't exactly feel like an engaging experience. Didn't feel like I had much real impact or influence. 
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May 23, 2015 04:15
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smertrioslol posted:Your fit is still terrible hth. What's the fun of piling a bunch of blops battleships on someone who won't shoot back? Just use bombers for that, instead of manning your overpriced autism chariot that has less ehp than a recon. because i spent loving months training for the ability to throw around my autism chariot, and gently caress you dad i'll drop whatever the gently caress I want to drop on whoever the gently caress i want to drop it on No but seriously, blops can melt a target fast enough that by the time anyone thinks to come help their buddy you're already mjd-ing out and cloaking. Sure, with a cheapass bomber you don't care if you get caught, but if you don't care about getting caught it's not really as fun. Sorta like when why people think it's fun to fool around or have sex in public: people get so jaded that they need risk to have fun 
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May 23, 2015 04:15
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smertrioslol posted:What's the fun of piling a bunch of blops battleships on someone who won't shoot back? This is pretty much the very purpose for the entire line of ships to exist. I'm sorry you hate fun. This is pretty much line for line the same fit that PL, BL, Pizza and several other noted Active Blops groups use; again, having a EHP Brick is an unnecessary feature for a blops- their dps will melt just about anything short of a capital in a few volleys. The only two things that matter for a black ops are align time and dps. EHP, Resistance Profiles, Speed are all pretty secondary. If you're doing anything other than jumping, activating your cap booster, overheating everything, killing the target then MJDing out and cloaking while waiting for a out cyno- you're doing it wrong. smertrioslol posted:Just use bombers for that, instead of manning your overpriced autism chariot that has less ehp than a recon. The day bombers have jump drives, I most certainly will. Until then, gates are for subhumans. Xolve fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 23, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 04:33
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TBH this is what polarized torp launchers on bombers are for. My hound does 900dps. 'Sup. (Or a 700dps Gecko Stratios.)
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May 23, 2015 04:37
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smertrioslol posted:What's the fun of piling a bunch of blops battleships on someone who won't shoot back? Just use bombers for that, instead of manning your overpriced autism chariot that has less ehp than a recon. A poor general goes to war and tries to win; a smart general wins first, and then goes to war. Why do hunters shoot their quarry with powerful efficient rifles instead of hucking pointy rocks? Really, this sounds like someone got hot dropped once or thrice.
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May 23, 2015 04:41
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I think the obvious idea would be that you have way more mobility, damage, and utility with less actual ships, giving you a much larger engagement profile, but I've never actually flown any blops outside of a few random gate camps so who knows.
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May 23, 2015 04:48
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Plus you get to fly cool I have a fun panther fit but I don't think I'll post it. Makes things die, though. Not that I've flown it post-Phoebe. 
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CommonShore posted:A poor general goes to war and tries to win; a smart general wins first, and then goes to war. Maybe I'm just a broken human being who enjoys a good fight more than just ganking. This is still a game, right? The argument that a blops BS is all agility and dps only applies if I'm not going to try and drop on something that I hope shoots back and brings friends. There's a reason why half of space violence could auto-pilot through syndicate and never get shot at and it's because we did great escalations with blops BS and capitals to all of its denizens.  I don't get hot dropped (anymore) because that would involve being in k-space more than roaming a random region.edit: and yeah it sucks that phoebe really killed the kind of lazy playstyle I loved with hot dropping off of a titan/blops BS. At least popping out of a random wormhole has the same "oh poo poo" effect on the people you're gunning after
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May 23, 2015 05:09
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Xolve posted:I'm sorry you hate fun. This is pretty much line for line the same fit that PL, BL, Pizza and several other noted Active Blops groups use; again, having a EHP Brick is an unnecessary feature for a blops- their dps will melt just about anything short of a capital in a few volleys. The only two things that matter for a black ops are align time and dps. EHP, Resistance Profiles, Speed are all pretty secondary. If you're doing anything other than jumping, activating your cap booster, overheating everything, killing the target then MJDing out and cloaking while waiting for a out cyno- you're doing it wrong. lookit this nerd who's never flown in a brawler sin gang holding its own against multiple carriers or dreads
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Glory of Arioch posted:lookit this nerd who's never flown in a brawler sin gang holding its own against multiple carriers or dreads It makes me want to post my deadspace remote rep sin fit. But I won't. Spider tanking blopses are so much fun.
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May 23, 2015 05:32
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Can ship assembly arrays build only the same sized hull as the array, or can they build that size AND anything smaller than that? Can i build frigates in a medium array or cruisers in a LSAA for example?
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Glory of Arioch posted:lookit this nerd who's never flown in a brawler sin gang holding its own against multiple carriers or dreads lookit this nerd who's never multiboxed supers onto multiple hostile carriers and dreads. smertrioslol posted:Maybe I'm just a broken human being who enjoys a good fight more than just ganking. This is still a game, right? The argument that a blops BS is all agility and dps only applies if I'm not going to try and drop on something that I hope shoots back and brings friends. There's a reason why half of space violence could auto-pilot through syndicate and never get shot at and it's because we did great escalations with blops BS and capitals to all of its denizens. ROFL. How very ~Elite PvP~ of you.
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May 23, 2015 06:08
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I went and got myself blown up! Somehow I have a stupid grin in my face. Not sure how to deal with neuts, though. Carry my own? Use those cap booster thingies? But that's a slot I'm not using for other things. Hmmmm.
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Traveller posted:I went and got myself blown up! Somehow I have a stupid grin in my face. Thus you run into the real dilemma of Eve fitting. Generally a Nosferatu is a good way to alleviate Neuting pressure. It's not a hard counter, but it will keep your point and your guns running. Cap Boosters are not so terrible either, but are generally used to shore up an Active Tank instead.
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Flanders No!
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Zephyrine posted:Flanders No! 
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May 23, 2015 06:43
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  Flanders.
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Heh. Someone's been stalking me on Steam. RIP Flanders. e: (Context.) ullerrm fucked around with this message at 07:06 on May 23, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 07:02
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ullerrm posted:Heh. Someone's been stalking me on Steam. RIP Flanders. THEY BLEW IT ALL UP
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Kesper North posted:THEY BLEW IT ALL UP THOSE BASTARDS
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Kesper North posted:THEY BLEW IT ALL UP What happened to Gentleman's Agreement?
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ullerrm posted:Heh. Someone's been stalking me on Steam. RIP Flanders. Well I can't take fitting advice form that face. Someone else has to figure all of this out now.
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May 23, 2015 07:13
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ullerrm posted:Heh. Someone's been stalking me on Steam. RIP Flanders. lmfao what the gently caress is the cirno baka brigade?
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May 23, 2015 07:15
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ullerrm posted:Heh. Someone's been stalking me on Steam. RIP Flanders. Tell me how you really feel about that 'Perfect Game' statistic.
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May 23, 2015 07:21
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Valar Morghulis posted:What happened to Gentleman's Agreement? Lake got a girlfriend and much of my directorate hosed off for a long while, then I started going through a divorce (for reasons unrelated to EVE, amazingly). The end.
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avatarinwin posted:what the gently caress is the cirno baka brigade? Mega derail, but: Cirno is a Canadian nerd who makes a living streaming on Twitch. He mostly does speedruns of Halflife 1/2 and Mirror's Edge. When he's not doing speedruns, he tends to unwind by playing a bunch of weird weeb games, so his watchers get referred to as the Baka Brigade. I'm friends with him on Steam, so that's probably why I got this title. *shrug* There are worse titles I could have gotten.
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Ciaphas posted:Had my first go in a fleet action tonight, 80 pilots or so and me in the amarr ewar frigate. Big fleets suck. Join SV or something else smaller and get out of deklein.
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Valar Morghulis posted:What happened to Gentleman's Agreement? Also it was Gentlemen's Agreement. As in, an agreement between gentlemen. Very important semantic difference (to us).
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AAPsel posted:Big fleets suck. Join SV or something else smaller and get out of deklein. I was under the impression that 80 was on the small side?
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Kesper North posted:Lake got a girlfriend and much of my directorate hosed off for a long while, then I started going through a divorce (for reasons unrelated to EVE, amazingly). The end. DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR CAT? If your partner took it, they're evil.
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As I think about it it feels more like I was amused in spite of Eve rather than because of it. Things like the PL Blood Sacrifice, and playing Cards Against Humanity during the structure shoot part of the op.
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