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Alter Ego posted:No, I'm not nervous at all that Chris Christie wants to represent us on a national stage, why do you ask? Yeah man that isn't presidential at all.. that's more like, "Roided-out Twentysomething Jersey Shore Guido."
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I bet Christie would be great to drink with.
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Wheeee posted:I bet Christie would be great to drink with. He'd pick up the tab
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May 23, 2015 03:43
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He loved working with disturbed children so much he wanted to work with the most disturbed children of all.
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May 23, 2015 04:27
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FAUXTON posted:He loved working with disturbed children so much he wanted to work with the most disturbed children of all. He is certainly well equipped to deal with them.
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May 23, 2015 04:58
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EugeneJ posted:Anyone know what Bernie's plan is to help those with existing student loans? Whatever gets him a bunch of primary votes. So uh... they all go away!! No more student debt for anyone!
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May 23, 2015 05:17
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AgentSythe posted:Whatever gets him a bunch of primary votes. So uh... they all go away!! No more student debt for anyone! Wow, I bet you sure are exciting to be around at parties.
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May 23, 2015 12:18
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Jesus. What dirty poo poo is Huckabee hiding that he's sticking with the Duggars? Or maybe he feels for Josh Duggar because his own son tortured and killed a dog. Still, who does defending the Duggars appeal to exactly? Even the Christians I know are all saying the Duggars are creepy deviants.
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May 23, 2015 13:44
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lamentable dustman posted:Every email is pretty much her okaying a memo in her name or asking someone to print something or call her. Republicans really got a smoking gun here. Yes, when someone has oversight over which of their emails are discoverable, the result is generally exculpatory.
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May 23, 2015 13:49
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I thought Hillary being candidate was a made fact, what is this Sanders talk all about? Looking for ways to tilt the democrats back to the left?
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May 23, 2015 14:28
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midnightclimax posted:I thought Hillary being candidate was a made fact, what is this Sanders talk all about? Looking for ways to tilt the democrats back to the left? God drat it, here we go again. How about you just google 'Bernie Sanders primary' or some poo poo like that, instead of launching the thread into another 10 page debate with forum user Under the Vegetable and his thoughts of Bernie idealism.
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May 23, 2015 14:40
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Biff Rockgroin posted:Jesus. What dirty poo poo is Huckabee hiding that he's sticking with the Duggars? Or maybe he feels for Josh Duggar because his own son tortured and killed a dog. There's a contingent of particularly tribal evangelicals who see criticism of the Duggars as a personal attack (I'm unfortunately related to some of them). To point out that this happened is tantamount to an accusation that all Christians are child molesters and they really want everyone to stop talking about it. Huckabee probably fits into this group, where defending the tribe outweighs little things like "common sense" and "do I really want to be the guy defending a dude who molested his sisters while they were sleeping?"
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Ok sorry I didn't know "Bernie Sanders" is a trigger.
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midnightclimax posted:Ok sorry I didn't know "Bernie Sanders" is a trigger. If you keep posting about him, you will end up like me.
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midnightclimax posted:I thought Hillary being candidate was a made fact, what is this Sanders talk all about? Looking for ways to tilt the democrats back to the left? Yeah, Bernie's candidacy is mainly about trying to shift Hillary and the Democratic Party to the left. He has very little chance of actually winning the nomination. Edit: Don't mind sharkbomb, some folks are just a little oversensitive due to past arguments/thread derailments.
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midnightclimax posted:Ok sorry I didn't know "Bernie Sanders" is a trigger.
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Lancelot posted:It's okay, it's just that every time the Berninator is brought up this thread devolves into a multi-page derail where Bernie supporters talk about how Hilary is bad and Bernie is the one true saviour and Obama won last time and maybe Bernie has a chance? Then dead-eyed pragmatists explain that Hilary is a foregone conclusion so why even vote at all? After about three pages of arguing everyone agrees to vote Bernie in the primary and Hilary in the general. It's good fun. There's usually some accelerationism sprinkled in there as well.
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midnightclimax posted:I thought Hillary being candidate was a made fact, what is this Sanders talk all about? Looking for ways to tilt the democrats back to the left? There's still technically a primary process to go through for democrats, which hasn't even begun. Sanders has spent the last year or so building up a populist base for himself which makes him the second strongest candidate that's actually going to run, (Warren and Biden poll better than him but neither is likely to run).
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May 23, 2015 16:58
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RACHET posted:He'd pick up the tab And have the people of NJ pay for it.
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Look the sanders narrative is here and we're all just gonna have to learn to live with it. How many primaries until Bernie is eliminated? Place your bets!
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Malmesbury Monster posted:There's a contingent of particularly tribal evangelicals who see criticism of the Duggars as a personal attack (I'm unfortunately related to some of them). To point out that this happened is tantamount to an accusation that all Christians are child molesters and they really want everyone to stop talking about it. Huckabee probably fits into this group, where defending the tribe outweighs little things like "common sense" and "do I really want to be the guy defending a dude who molested his sisters while they were sleeping?" The huge issue should be that the Duggars knew about two separate incidents and covered them up. They went to a police officer who was a family friend who gave Josh a stern talking to. Then, when it happened a second time, they shipped him off for counseling. Except it wasn't counseling. It was building houses with another family friend or something. It doesn't sound like any of this would have come to light if an anonymous parishioner hadn't found an anonymous letter about the incidents circa 2006. For all the talk of redemption and forgiveness, the Duggars don't seem to believe that it's necessary to atone for your sins or that any sins are bad enough to receive punishment.
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AgentSythe posted:Whatever gets him a bunch of primary votes. So uh... they all go away!! No more student debt for anyone! I blame the SYSTEM for my massive debts i can't afford to pay off!
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Look the sanders narrative is here and we're all just gonna have to learn to live with it. How many primaries until Bernie is eliminated? Place your bets! How many primaries are between now and 2024 when he can't run after being a two term President?  More realistically he'll probably stay in the race until the Republican field is narrowed to a single candidate. Hopefully his views will counterbalance some of that insanity.
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Great_Gerbil posted:The huge issue should be that the Duggars knew about two separate incidents and covered them up. They went to a police officer who was a family friend who gave Josh a stern talking to. Then, when it happened a second time, they shipped him off for counseling. Except it wasn't counseling. It was building houses with another family friend or something. I was raised evangelical Christian and this whole incident has really brought me back, because the logic and reasoning used by Huckabee and the Duggars is so familiar to me. Ten years ago we would have had a lot in common, not to say that I was aware of any molestation scandals growing up... In evangelical Christianity repentance is the foundational component of both redemption and forgiveness. The ingroup-outgroup stuff is manifested in the question "How do you know that someone has truly repented?" A fellow evangelical, and even moreso an evangelical member of your own family would be considered the most trustworthy. Meanwhile, a non-evangelical who says "I am sorry" should still have the book thrown at him because repentance is only possible through Jesus Christ. Since evangelicals believe they hold the key to salvation through Christ, true repentance is expressed through living a godly life, which is the evangelical life. For Josh Duggar, the atonement is complete because he conforms to this belief and way of living. I believe that long winded Huckabee Facebook post defending Duggar can also be largely explained through reasoning similar to this.
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, Bernie's candidacy is mainly about trying to shift Hillary and the Democratic Party to the left. He has very little chance of actually winning the nomination. Him running also allows Clinton to stake out a somewhat progressive stance while still appearing comparatively centrist. (Which is almost like a rephrasing of what you said but with a small difference that she's not being 'dragged')
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The Southern Republican Leadership Conference was today in Oklahoma City. You'll be forgiven for not knowing / caring about this since it seems like there's a cattle call every weekend now where all the Republican candidates show up and give their stump speeches. Anyway, there was a straw poll (N=958). Ben Carson: 25.4% Scott Walker: 20.5% Ted Cruz: 16.6% Chris Christie: 5.3% Rick Perry: 5.0% Jeb Bush: 4.9% Rand Paul: 4.1% Marco Rubio: 4.1% Bobby Jindal: 4.1% Carly Fiorina: 2.7% Mike Huckabee: 2.7% Rick Santorum: 1.9% Donald Trump: 1.2% Mark Everson: 0.8% (apparently a candidate http://markforamerica.com/) Lindsey Graham: 0.5% John Kasich: 0.2% Jim Gilmore: 0.0% Joementum fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 23, 2015 |
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for those who may find the numbers a bit baffling (sry for quoting politico): http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/carson-wins-srlc-straw-poll-118248.html quote:The straw poll victory doesn’t necessarily represent a breakthrough for Carson. Carson and Cruz, both middle-of-the-pack candidates in the early 2016 polls, mounted serious efforts to win the straw poll but most candidates did not compete. They hoped it would give them badly needed momentum as they compete against a sprawling field of better known and better funded rivals. Four years ago here, Mitt Romney notched a narrow, one-vote win over Ron Paul.
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11 people who saw that list decided that Donald Trump was the best option.
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Joementum posted:The Southern Republican Leadership Conference was today in Oklahoma City. You'll be forgiven for not knowing / caring about this since it seems like there's a cattle call every weekend now where all the Republican candidates show up and give their stump speeches. Anyway, there was a straw poll (N=958). Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first poll that shows Fiorina in the top ten (I know it's just a tiny local straw poll and doesn't count towards her showing up in the debates).
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Great_Gerbil posted:
Well, it's not like he's GAY.
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Sorry if Bernie Sanders chat sends anyone off the edge but I had a question for Sanders supporters in the thread that I hadn't seen asked, at least not from what I've read. Sanders is a self described socialist and I would wager that anyone supporting him would identify as a socialist as well or at least as some form of social democrat. Knowing that, how do you reconcile support for a socialist candidate running within the primary of a capitalist party? The Democratic Party isn't socialist and Sanders himself has even said he won't attack Clinton as that's not his aim so I don't know how his campaign intends to pull her to the left as some of his supporters have claimed. Do you see Sanders' campaign as a way to "market" socialism during the campaign season, do you see it as a way to engage disaffected leftists in other Democratic campaigns, do you see him as a legitimate candidate whose positions you support and with the potential to win the primary, or is it something else? I'm just curious about the reasons people have for supporting his campaign versus a third party or independent candidate in the general. I suppose a follow up question would be, assuming he loses the primary and doesn't run in the general like he's said, do you intend to support a third party or independent candidate or Clinton in the general?
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Sanders is a self-described "Democratic Socialist". His platform is basically that of the pre-Blair UK Labour party, not some imagined smash-the-state leftism. He talks about expanded dental coverage and mail delivery in stump speeches.
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apropos to nothing posted:Sorry if Bernie Sanders chat sends anyone off the edge but I had a question for Sanders supporters in the thread that I hadn't seen asked, at least not from what I've read. Sanders is a self described socialist and I would wager that anyone supporting him would identify as a socialist as well or at least as some form of social democrat. Knowing that, how do you reconcile support for a socialist candidate running within the primary of a capitalist party? The Democratic Party isn't socialist and Sanders himself has even said he won't attack Clinton as that's not his aim so I don't know how his campaign intends to pull her to the left as some of his supporters have claimed. Do you see Sanders' campaign as a way to "market" socialism during the campaign season, do you see it as a way to engage disaffected leftists in other Democratic campaigns, do you see him as a legitimate candidate whose positions you support and with the potential to win the primary, or is it something else? I'm just curious about the reasons people have for supporting his campaign versus a third party or independent candidate in the general. I suppose a follow up question would be, assuming he loses the primary and doesn't run in the general like he's said, do you intend to support a third party or independent candidate or Clinton in the general? I'm happy to have Bernie Sanders running as a democrat because it will allow him to have more support, and while I'd probably describe myself as a socialist, I know any move away from more a capitalistic society is going to take a long time, and that's likely to only happen under a government headed by democrats than one headed by republicans. I plan to support Hillary in the general election because I like Hillary and at the very least will move our country in a better direction than any of the Republican candidates, not just in a "won't be as bad" sense, but a "better off than we are now" sense. Basically, whatever problems the democrats have, they are so, so much better than the republicans when it comes to presidential politics.
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Yeah, mandated pre-K, expanded medicare and medicaid and a more aggressive approach to banks is what can be expected to be added to Hillary's Democratic Platform in a best-case Bernie scenario. Any conversation he can get started (on capital gains taxes, on emissions standards, on solar power, anything) will help shift the platform just a tiny bit. I'd prefer turning JP Morgan-Chase into a bunch of local worker-owned cooperatives, but lol
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Running as a Democrat gives him a platform to reach a much larger part of the American population with his Kinda Actually Almost Leftist Opinions, whereas if he ran as an independent he would be ignored much more so. He has a much greater opportunity to increase class consciousness using the Democratic party primaries as a microphone than if he went it alone, never got on TV and maybe pulled 1.5% of the vote in the general and then get blamed by crybaby dems for losing them the election. That said, personally I'd prefer if he lost the primary to continue in the general as an independent, but don't dare mention that in d&d with all the Young Democrats in here.
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I'd frankly put up with a "centrist" rich-guy independent run if he made electoral reform a central plank. But at this point I'd pretty much do anything for a PR-elected unicameral legislative body with executive authority *~sigh~* this is what I daydream about
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apropos to nothing posted:Knowing that, how do you reconcile support for a socialist candidate running within the primary of a capitalist party? By not being a golem made of LF posts.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:By not being a golem made of LF posts. Splitter.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:That said, personally I'd prefer if he lost the primary to continue in the general as an independent, but don't dare mention that in d&d with all the Young Democrats in here. I'm honestlynot sure which way you're going with this, but if you have any recollection of 2000 and the eight year nightmare that happened as a result, it's not "oh those whiners not wanting an independent candidate wahwah". I am down as gently caress for a primary run, but he's not viable as a national candidate, and the Republicans absolutely must not control 100% of this country's federal government or they will burn the entire loving country down. If that 1.7% or whatever has ANY chance of bleeding off support in tight races, I absolutely do not want that to happen. Primary heart, election head, &c. Apologies if I misunderstood and am wailing at a strawman but it's a trigger, man 
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