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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Libluini posted:

Sorry to disappoint you, but there are a lot of fans of the Roman Empire playing the EU-games. It's kind of a joke now, considering how many people made mods of countries being the new Rome. The Roman Empire itself has been recreated twice now.

that's garr khan, he knows that

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Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Venom Snake posted:

Won't this seemingly put a bit of a damper on roaming gangs if every null Alliance is encouraged to pack absolutely as many bodies into a system at once? And as one of the above mentioned it seems strange to rework the system to make it harder to hold while not offering much more encouragement for actually holding it. Player density is cool and good but it seems like hubris to assume people will want to live in nullsec just cause'

EDIT: Thanks for the explanation

You make it seem as if :ccp: thinks these things through. Evidence exists showing the opposite.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

that's garr khan, he knows that

Sorry, sometimes it's hard to notice if someone's trolling or just plain dumb.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

MoraleHazard posted:

And half of those 'ceptor pilots are thinking, "Well if I have to log off 85 jumps away from the staging system, I'll be able to get back without too much trouble."

Does anyone have a good Stratios fit? For solo WH dicking around, maybe an opportunistic gank if one arises.

code:
[Stratios, ......]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Warp Scrambler II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Acolyte II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Imperial Navy Curator x4
Federation Navy Garde x4
Gecko x2
Nanite Repair Paste x545
Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x8
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Navy Cap Booster 800 x12
I keep a mobile depot and expanded launcher in the cargo just in case.

tyler fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 23, 2015

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Venom Snake posted:

Player density is cool and good but it seems like hubris to assume people will want to live in nullsec just cause'


I'd say a bigger concern with promoting 'player density' is the fact that a single system, even with max upgrades and decent true sec, can only support a few people running anomalies (and belts I guess, if that's still a thing) at any given time.

If they're going to do the whole homeworld-esque constellation thing, that design principle needs to pull players into those dense systems instead of sending them away to outliers in search of a quiet place of red box slaying.

Fix Lag
Sep 8, 2011

There's a sale at Penny's!

Xolve posted:

I'd say a bigger concern with promoting 'player density' is the fact that a single system, even with max upgrades and decent true sec, can only support a few people running anomalies (and belts I guess, if that's still a thing) at any given time.

If they're going to do the whole homeworld-esque constellation thing, that design principle needs to pull players into those dense systems instead of sending them away to outliers in search of a quiet place of red box slaying.

Yeah, we need to keep hitting CCP over the head with this until they get it. There's not much point to "building an empire" if there are no tools to actually build anything worth living in.

Arione
Aug 19, 2013

by Athanatos
make havens / sanctums a lvl 6 mission type thing and we'd be good to go. especially when the mission system allows for infinite support within a given system.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
b- b-but people make isk in nullsec, nullsec must be nerfed :ccp:

Enemu
May 31, 2014
Blame :ccp: Greyscale for totally loving Anoms and the entire distribution of null income

Numismancer
Sep 15, 2004

by sebmojo
I didn't expect 'talk about sov delays on the metashow' to send me into a black mood, but god drat. Ugh. :ccp:

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

Numismancer posted:

I didn't expect 'talk about sov delays on the metashow' to send me into a black mood, but god drat. Ugh. :ccp:

The souls of a million Amarr citizens cast into the aether will cure any sour mood.

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

Numismancer posted:

I didn't expect 'talk about sov delays on the metashow' to send me into a black mood, but god drat. Ugh. :ccp:


Zephyrine posted:

The souls of a million Amarr citizens cast into the aether will cure any sour mood.

Love is in the air.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
looking forward to the pink pony, flower and raindow redesign of themittani.com, as mr and mrs mittani and zephyrine join in a threesome of rational minds

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


vulvamancer posted:

That wasn't a fight last night it was a turkeyshoot. Darkness got a dozen battleships trapped in a WH when the entrance closed behind them (to their credit they were trying to close it so at least they succeeded at that). They then realized that they now had even numbers to us and ran home. We caught about 15 of them with a bubble on their undock and murdered them.

The ship you were flying (the crucifier) basically makes 2 navy battleships totally worthless. So your 3m isk frig is shutting down a billion isk worth of ships. Unfortunately you don't get much visual feedback (really nothing at all) so a lot of people in these support roles don't realize how much they are helping. That's why lots of people only fly DPS, because at least they get to see damage numbers. This is a fault of :ccp: they really should have a graphic that shows how much range you are taking off the enemies guns or something similar. Some kind of visual reward. Right now as a player you just have to take the knowledge that you are making two enemy ships not able to hit our ships and internalize it.

So overall you didn't really get to experience a fleet fight. They have a lot more warping on grid, more positioning and are generally more interesting.

I DID get hit once and panic-warp to a belt, then panic-warp back when I saw red crosses, then broadcast that I needed armor and some kind logi sicced his drones on me. So that was nice :shobon:

But yeah, it's kind of my problem that I really need good visual or audio feedback in games to not be bored easily. High-"impact", if you will. Guess that's why I tend to gravitate toward your TF2s and such rather than your... well, your Eve Onlines :v:

Dunno if this game's for me, but I'll try for smaller actions from Topgoon or Space Violence or something before my month's out if I can. :shrug:

Enemu
May 31, 2014

Ciaphas posted:

I DID get hit once and panic-warp to a belt, then panic-warp back when I saw red crosses, then broadcast that I needed armor and some kind logi sicced his drones on me. So that was nice :shobon:

But yeah, it's kind of my problem that I really need good visual or audio feedback in games to not be bored easily. High-"impact", if you will. Guess that's why I tend to gravitate toward your TF2s and such rather than your... well, your Eve Onlines :v:

Dunno if this game's for me, but I'll try for smaller actions from Topgoon or Space Violence or something before my month's out if I can. :shrug:

Join SV

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Looks like a new meta is born... how soon can everybody get into a Phoenix?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46815650/

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Oh yeah I guess my other problem is I don't drink at all, which seems to be anathema if I was listening to Mumble right :v:

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

blowfish posted:

looking forward to the pink pony, flower and raindow redesign of themittani.com, as mr and mrs mittani and zephyrine join in a threesome of rational minds

mittens blown

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

Otacon posted:

Looks like a new meta is born... how soon can everybody get into a Phoenix?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46815650/

on a related note, rare footage of the golden phoenix in battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RAF2OCdZl0

Viva Miriya fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 24, 2015

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jemere posted:

CFC nee Imperium

code:
[b]née[/b]
nā/
adjective
originally called; born (used especially in adding a woman's maiden name after her married name)
We are The Imperium née The Clusterfuck Coalition née nerds in space.

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica

Enemu posted:

Join every SIG

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Enemu posted:

Blame :ccp: Greyscale for totally loving Anoms and the entire distribution of null income

There are dozens of things CCP could have done to unfuckulate NPC/Sov Nullsec by now, but they all involve 'fixing' PvE to be something a bit more enjoyable than warp to anomaly, orbit something, launch drones, try not to fall asleep (I'm arguably the worst PvE pilot that there ever was, don't eat me alive if this is all hopelessly stupid).

Just the short list:

-If Sansha can have Incursions through-out the known universe, why can't there be mini-incursions of region specific pirates that award LP/Space Dollars?

-Why aren't there mission agents in Stations, or better yet, why can't there be some ridiculous platform upgrade to allow the hiring of specific faction agents upgraded through use?

-Why are anomalies split up into strictly combat, strictly mining, strictly exploration? Why aren't there team based objective type 'hack these cans while stemming off waves of n faction rats? Ghost sites, on steroids.

-Why are LP Store goods uniform across all securities of space? Why doesn't nullsec offer poo poo you can't get in highsec (aside from gratuitous pubbie tears)?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Hey guys I haven't seen it asked but what is fozziesov about? Anything new going on with the game?

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


vyst posted:

Hey guys I haven't seen it asked but what is fozziesov about? Anything new going on with the game?

All Titans have grown sentient and have turned against their owners, absorbing their capsuleer pilot's corpse transforming it into one giant hive mind

Also they are bringing back aoe DD'ing through cynos but only for NPCs

Enemu
May 31, 2014

Xolve posted:

There are dozens of things CCP could have done to unfuckulate NPC/Sov Nullsec by now, but they all involve 'fixing' PvE to be something a bit more enjoyable than warp to anomaly, orbit something, launch drones, try not to fall asleep (I'm arguably the worst PvE pilot that there ever was, don't eat me alive if this is all hopelessly stupid).

Just the short list:

-If Sansha can have Incursions through-out the known universe, why can't there be mini-incursions of region specific pirates that award LP/Space Dollars?

-Why aren't there mission agents in Stations, or better yet, why can't there be some ridiculous platform upgrade to allow the hiring of specific faction agents upgraded through use?

-Why are anomalies split up into strictly combat, strictly mining, strictly exploration? Why aren't there team based objective type 'hack these cans while stemming off waves of n faction rats? Ghost sites, on steroids.

-Why are LP Store goods uniform across all securities of space? Why doesn't nullsec offer poo poo you can't get in highsec (aside from gratuitous pubbie tears)?


:ccp: unfucking PVE is a totally different discussion, but one that I think everyone at this point is loving baffled hasn't actually produced anything out of CCP since like, Incursion.

However, Greyscale messing with anomalies made everything worse, and basically reverting or changing a bit what he did in 2011 would help out.
Let us all be reminded of what was said in 2011

quote:

Expected consequences

Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
Coalitions will be marginally less stable
Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Ciaphas posted:

Oh yeah I guess my other problem is I don't drink at all,

pussy

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Enemu posted:

:ccp: unfucking PVE is a totally different discussion, but one that I think everyone at this point is loving baffled hasn't actually produced anything out of CCP since like, Incursion.

It's pretty key to actually promoting sov density through FozzieSov though- what's the point of amassing pilots in a small smattering of systems, if those systems can't reward the pilots?

At this point, the only reason for most people to hold sov is because it's become canon as part of their identity in game; Deklein is to Goons, what Provi is to CVA, to what Tribute is to... Falcons.

Enemu posted:

Greyscale messing with

...anything that man touched turned to utter poo poo. At least at this point we can say he was 100% wrong about everything he hoped to achieve by nerfing the poo poo out of anoms.

Xolve fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 24, 2015

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Xolve posted:

There are dozens of things CCP could have done to unfuckulate NPC/Sov Nullsec by now, but they all involve 'fixing' PvE to be something a bit more enjoyable than warp to anomaly, orbit something, launch drones, try not to fall asleep (I'm arguably the worst PvE pilot that there ever was, don't eat me alive if this is all hopelessly stupid).

Just the short list:

-If Sansha can have Incursions through-out the known universe, why can't there be mini-incursions of region specific pirates that award LP/Space Dollars?

-Why aren't there mission agents in Stations, or better yet, why can't there be some ridiculous platform upgrade to allow the hiring of specific faction agents upgraded through use?

-Why are anomalies split up into strictly combat, strictly mining, strictly exploration? Why aren't there team based objective type 'hack these cans while stemming off waves of n faction rats? Ghost sites, on steroids.

-Why are LP Store goods uniform across all securities of space? Why doesn't nullsec offer poo poo you can't get in highsec (aside from gratuitous pubbie tears)?

- I'm guessing they're keeping the other pirate factions in reserve for the next big pve content, right now just copy-pasting the different factions to the same mechanics would add a bit of flavor but not much more.

- Null already has "special" agents in the form of pirate faction agents in npc space

- The more explore-y anoms used to be mixed data/relic and combat, but they got segregated to what's here today. The problem imho was scaling with the higher end site which pretty much required T3s to deal with the battleship spawns. Now it's entirely possible to explore with a lowly covops (bypassing the more expensive Sisters hulls) making it more accessible.

- Pirate/ORE stuff aside this is interesting, but the counterpoint to that is most stuff worth having comes in the form of a BPC or small cargo, so really making people jet around in interceptors would really raise the barrier to entry. Also no empire faction agents in null.

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica
hi vyst

vyst
Aug 25, 2009




Hi

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit
hi

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica
how are you

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
farts

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

Boat posted:

What I'm getting out of all this is blow poo poo up in SV or Holesquad or something, and train logi to be loved & useful on fleet ops.

Pretty much. No matter the fleet size, being in a logistic ship always gives you the feeling of actually being useful. You may not appear on killmails (unless they fixed that?) but you get to know that some fleet members will be flying back to base in their ship rather than their pods thanks to your intervention. Some FC's will not undock unless they have a minimum number of logi's. If you're in one, you're one ship closer to actually leaving the station. It makes it all worth it.

Logistic ships = Best ships.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009




doing well i just saw mad max and had some sex and then some frozen yogurt live is p good

Alavaria
Apr 3, 2009

Ciaphas posted:

I DID get hit once and panic-warp to a belt, then panic-warp back when I saw red crosses, then broadcast that I needed armor and some kind logi sicced his drones on me. So that was nice :shobon:

But yeah, it's kind of my problem that I really need good visual or audio feedback in games to not be bored easily. High-"impact", if you will. Guess that's why I tend to gravitate toward your TF2s and such rather than your... well, your Eve Onlines :v:

Dunno if this game's for me, but I'll try for smaller actions from Topgoon or Space Violence or something before my month's out if I can. :shrug:
Part of it is when people start trying to shoot you, you know it's working.

(Well sometimes, if they just can't lock you or whatever then they can't shoot you)

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



I'm glad Doug is back

smg77
Apr 27, 2007

vyst posted:

doing well i just saw mad max and had some sex and then some frozen yogurt live is p good

I wish I could have some sex with mad max and then get some yogurt.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Flew 30 frigates down to Brave Newbies' space, they formed a fleet double our size, we warped around trying to get a good position and jumped directly into a 30 man Black Legion Gila fleet. We promptly died.

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mynnna
Jan 10, 2004

Xolve posted:

There are dozens of things CCP could have done to unfuckulate NPC/Sov Nullsec by now, but they all involve 'fixing' PvE to be something a bit more enjoyable than warp to anomaly, orbit something, launch drones, try not to fall asleep (I'm arguably the worst PvE pilot that there ever was, don't eat me alive if this is all hopelessly stupid).

Just the short list:

-If Sansha can have Incursions through-out the known universe, why can't there be mini-incursions of region specific pirates that award LP/Space Dollars?

-Why aren't there mission agents in Stations, or better yet, why can't there be some ridiculous platform upgrade to allow the hiring of specific faction agents upgraded through use?

-Why are anomalies split up into strictly combat, strictly mining, strictly exploration? Why aren't there team based objective type 'hack these cans while stemming off waves of n faction rats? Ghost sites, on steroids.

-Why are LP Store goods uniform across all securities of space? Why doesn't nullsec offer poo poo you can't get in highsec (aside from gratuitous pubbie tears)?

They DO have a team working on PvE stuff, it's just that their tools for content creation are poo poo, among other problems, so that holds them back until they resolve it. The AI is also braindead, although if drifters are any indication they've made some progress in that regard.

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