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I'd hardly call Mayday/MC2 Spider-Girl a failure. She still has the longest running, ongoing female series published in Marvel with 100 issues (and I think there was an Annual or two thrown in there as well) plus a relaunch series that happened almost right after. People can debate about the quality, but it existed and it ran for a long loving time. A 100 issue run is something few new or teenage characters will even get close to. I love Ms. Marvel but I think it'll be years and combining a bunch of minis and guest appearances when Marvel wants to fake an issue 100 for her. Someone once said about Peter David that when he uses a character, he's going to write how they've been established and he's not going to ignore the last story they were in. He might try to twist some things around to make it work for him, but he's not going to flat out ignore it. Hickman has been doing that a lot in Avengers as well, not just in costume changes but the mood and how the characters act with each other. In contrast, Bendis and Slott often completely ignore how characters have been written even when their last appearance were major stories. For Bendis, just look at how he wrote Hood and Marvel Boy. Slott wrote a horrible annual with Doc Ock's Sinister Six taking on the Wizard's team and it completely ignored Wizard's character arc in Hickman's FF. Spider-Girl/Mayday in Spider-Verse barely resembled how Mayday was in MC2
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Don't you mean how 'You' were in MC2? (I like Spider-Girl, but let's be real, the book would've been better if Defalco had let someone else take a shot by like issue 20. Hell, the one issue that IS by someone else is a revelation in how refreshing it is.)
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May 22, 2015 14:40
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notthegoatseguy posted:I'd hardly call Mayday/MC2 Spider-Girl a failure. She still has the longest running, ongoing female series published in Marvel with 100 issues (and I think there was an Annual or two thrown in there as well) plus a relaunch series that happened almost right after. People can debate about the quality, but it existed and it ran for a long loving time. A 100 issue run is something few new or teenage characters will even get close to. I love Ms. Marvel but I think it'll be years and combining a bunch of minis and guest appearances when Marvel wants to fake an issue 100 for her. Gaz-L posted:Don't you mean how 'You' were in MC2? (I like Spider-Girl, but let's be real, the book would've been better if Defalco had let someone else take a shot by like issue 20. Hell, the one issue that IS by someone else is a revelation in how refreshing it is.)
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May 22, 2015 18:37
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There's still people who claim JM Dematteis ruined Spider-man by killing Harry and Kraven, so sometimes you just can't win.
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May 23, 2015 05:50
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Lurdiak posted:There's still people who claim JM Dematteis ruined Spider-man by killing Harry and Kraven, so sometimes you just can't win. And some of those people went on to write Brand New Day & Grim Hunt!
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May 23, 2015 10:40
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Yvonmukluk posted:And some of those people went on to write Brand New Day & Grim Hunt! I'll let history judge them.
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May 23, 2015 10:55
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Lurdiak posted:I'll let history judge them. History awards the point to DeMatteis.
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May 23, 2015 13:52
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Yeah, but Roger Stern was one of those guys, wasn't he? And Roger Stern also thought it was a bad idea for Peter Parker to get married. Personally, I don't know what to believe any more.
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May 23, 2015 21:52
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Roger Stern had a lot of bad ideas. Also I still find it hilarious they brought Harry back and still haven't done a thing with the dude.
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May 23, 2015 22:32
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CharlestheHammer posted:Roger Stern had a lot of bad ideas. Yeah, that's by far the funniest part of all this. Bringing Harry back was like their power goal next to ending the marriage and letting Peter be a swinging bachelor again. Harry just kind of floundered around not doing anything and making Pete look like a manchild by having 2 kids and an ex-wife while Pete has yet to settle down, then he vanished. As for Pete's new love interests... what a memorable bunch of characters that was!
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May 23, 2015 22:36
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Norah Winters was great. Speaking of the Brand New Day era, wasn't there a Cindy Moon or something Moon working at Mayor Jameson's office? She may have been Black Cat in disguise. Whatever happened with that?
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May 23, 2015 22:40
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah, that's by far the funniest part of all this. Bringing Harry back was like their power goal next to ending the marriage and letting Peter be a swinging bachelor again. Harry just kind of floundered around not doing anything and making Pete look like a manchild by having 2 kids and an ex-wife while Pete has yet to settle down, then he vanished. As for Pete's new love interests... what a memorable bunch of characters that was! Yeah it is really a bad idea to highlight how a character whose big draw is his personal life, is really stagnant and boring. Which makes the Spider verse poo poo make sense, though you can only keep that going for so long. Die Laughing posted:Norah Winters was great. Really if you are gonna have multiple writers these things are bound to happen. Unless you plan it out beforehand, which BND doesn't really seem to have been.
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May 23, 2015 22:40
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CharlestheHammer posted:Roger Stern had a lot of bad ideas. Case in point, I forgot they did this until literally this post.
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May 23, 2015 22:48
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Wheat Loaf posted:Yeah, but Roger Stern was one of those guys, wasn't he? And Roger Stern also thought it was a bad idea for Peter Parker to get married. Lurdiak posted:Yeah, that's by far the funniest part of all this. Bringing Harry back was like their power goal next to ending the marriage and letting Peter be a swinging bachelor again. Harry just kind of floundered around not doing anything and making Pete look like a manchild by having 2 kids and an ex-wife while Pete has yet to settle down, then he vanished. As for Pete's new love interests... what a memorable bunch of characters that was! Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 00:10 on May 24, 2015 |
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May 24, 2015 00:07
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Probably his OC. I am actually surprised that isn't what happened really.
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May 24, 2015 00:10
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Yvonmukluk posted:Actually Roger Stern stated he might have considered marrying Peter off, just not to Mary Jane. CharlestheHammer posted:Probably his OC. So... Peter Parker would have married Monica Rambeau?
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May 24, 2015 00:14
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nvm got confused
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May 24, 2015 00:19
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Wheat Loaf posted:So... Peter Parker would have married Monica Rambeau? Wouldn't be the first Captain Marvel he's dated (well, technically it would, but you know what I mean).
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May 24, 2015 01:36
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The thing I don't get is they wanted Peter to be able to date people. So then every person they had him date who maybe caught on a bit and people like they then immediately dropped. It's like Marvel just hates the idea of people enjoying Peter being in a relationship. "Oh, you like him married to MJ? gently caress YOU!" "Oh, hey, it seems like people like the idea of him and Captain Marvel dating? Better say how stupid it is and have them never alone again!"
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May 24, 2015 04:38
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I wasn't reading comics at the time but I kinda thought it was more that there were, like, five writers during BND and everyone had someone they wanted Peter to end up with, so they were all just building up relationships whenever it was their turn with the pen until Slott scored Big Time and made Carlie Cooper actually end up with Peter for a bit.
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May 24, 2015 05:16
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TheJoker138 posted:The thing I don't get is they wanted Peter to be able to date people. So then every person they had him date who maybe caught on a bit and people like they then immediately dropped. It's like Marvel just hates the idea of people enjoying Peter being in a relationship. I'm surprised that the push for Carol to be a bigger part of the Marvel Universe didn't bring back Peter as her love interest. I actually liked them together.
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May 24, 2015 05:28
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radlum posted:I'm surprised that the push for Carol to be a bigger part of the Marvel Universe didn't bring back Peter as her love interest. I actually liked them together. DeConnick had some kinda problem with it, and I'm pretty sure Slott was totally against it because I'm sure someone tried to tell him on twitter these were positives and he blocked them.
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May 24, 2015 05:48
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Lurdiak posted:DeConnick had some kinda problem with it, and I'm pretty sure Slott was totally against it because To be fair, I am pretty sure that 90% of the writers who wanted that status quo back wanted exactly for those reasons as well.
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May 24, 2015 06:15
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The only good thing to come out of Peter being single again was that one issue of Hickman's FF where he and Johnny Storm are roommates. I would read the gently caress out of a miniseries titled "What if... Spider-Man didn't throw the Human Torch out of his apartment."
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May 24, 2015 06:25
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Skwirl posted:The only good thing to come out of Peter being single again was that one issue of Hickman's FF where he and Johnny Storm are roommates. I would read the gently caress out of a miniseries titled "What if... Spider-Man didn't throw the Human Torch out of his apartment." What issue was that?
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May 24, 2015 07:40
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ThermoPhysical posted:What issue was that? 17. It's amazing, spectacular even.
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May 24, 2015 07:52
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Carol's too much of a bad rear end to date a dweeb like Parker.
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May 24, 2015 15:31
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Roger Stern isn't a fan of the marriage but if you look at his run, it makes sense. At that point in time, he had proposed to MJ, she said no, and had left town (the country?). I like the marriage but the way it was introduced into the comics (all because Stan Lee was marrying then in the newspaper strip) was REALLY rushed. Stern's run, while great, loses some luster because other writers (and I think Marvel's EIC at the time too) kept loving around with the Hobgoblin mystery. You can both like Last Hunt and Grim Hunt. I know I do. And JMD wrote a backup story so to me that was kind of his blessing right there.
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May 25, 2015 04:42
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Die Laughing posted:Carol's too much of a bad rear end to date a dweeb like Parker. That's what made it work, Parker is the complete opposite of Mahr-Vehl.
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May 25, 2015 04:49
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Have Peter and Carol dating but the twist: Spider-Man is the damsel who keeps getting saved by Captain Marvel and it makes him feel inferior.
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May 26, 2015 14:23
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Flameingblack posted:Have Peter and Carol dating but the twist: Spider-Man is the damsel who keeps getting saved by Captain Marvel and it makes him feel inferior. That's pretty much what happened in the 2 issues they did date
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May 26, 2015 14:44
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Dacap posted:That's pretty much what happened in the 2 issues they did date I'm gonna go ahead and assume that at some point he runs out of web and gets carried by Carol all Amazing Fantasy 15 style.
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May 26, 2015 19:48
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Well, here's the lettered preview of Renew Your Vows. The subtitle is 'why we can't have nice things'. Ugh.  
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May 29, 2015 10:46
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Everything about the Regent makes him sound like a late 90's Spider-Man villain, which is great Like maybe they should have named him Regicide
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May 29, 2015 11:02
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Yvonmukluk posted:The subtitle is 'why we can't have nice things'. Ugh. I'm not sure this could be more unsubtle, short of the villain being Ed Toryal who runs MJ and Peter's kid over with his Fiat.
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May 29, 2015 12:51
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So it's going to be a "It turns out if Peter and MJ were married everyone would die!!!" story? Lame. Those are the most cop-out what-ifs.
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May 29, 2015 13:50
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Regent was going to be DC's Captain Atom, but too many people guessed it so they swapped in Kaine at the last minute and told readers the clues were always there.
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May 29, 2015 15:24
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well, here's the lettered preview of Renew Your Vows. The worst part is that I kinda dig the idea of street-level heroes starting to get killed, like having superheroism as a stand-in for high-risk careers like journalism and so the husband/parent gets a harsh choice of the career he loves or trying to find anything else that he'd hate but pays the bills for his family and is safe. It's a classic story. Slott is going to make it awful four pages after that preview ended...
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May 29, 2015 15:49
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I'm gonna go ahead and assume that at some point he runs out of web and gets carried by Carol all Amazing Fantasy 15 style. If I recall one of the issues they were having dinner and a supervillain attacked and she just ended up handling it herself because he wouldn't be able to help without revealing his identity to the other people at the restaurant.
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What comics were Peter and Carol dating in? I honestly don't remember that at all.
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