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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I'm thinking Oliver, basically saying "I'll get my boy to repent his confession." That's... a pretty good theory. Well done.
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JT Jag posted:He gives Robert "fortified wine", the real world equivalent being port, which typically has twice the ABV of normal wine. Still, that's a piss weak murder plot, and one that is basically bulletproof - so what that Robert was given strong drink, he was a hedonist and a boozer, he could have plausibly preferred stronger wine than his courtiers.
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May 25, 2015 23:53
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zoux posted:Er actually most of the reaction to this episode has been positive so I don't know what you are talking about. Yeah, most people are pretty taken with the perfect boobs. But not everybody
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May 25, 2015 23:53
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As it was mentioned, I'd be all for seeing the Faith Militant (and its leader in particular) as defending the interests of the smallfolk and fighting back against the nobles that keep throwing poo poo at them and sending them to die, but so far the main concerns that the FM has shown are: 1. Did you have smoking hot dude sex 2. Did you witness smoking hot dude sex and fail to alert the proper authorities 3. Did you have any other kind of sex, apparently 4. Do you have access to booze, brothels, or R'hllor action figurines None of these seem to address the main concerns of the smallfolk (i.e. not starving and/or getting sworded up for bullshit political reasons). If we were truly meant to believe they have the interests of the common people at heart, we would have seen their goons doing something other than gay bashing. As a previous poster said, the FM does serve as a clear signal that the smallfolk are getting fed up with this poo poo, but they ain't exactly the champions of the people.
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Blazing Ownager posted:If your empire had horribly lethal poisons that could be slapped on any blade to effectively kill their enemies even if they're scratched, wouldn't you be encouraging just about everyone in your military be versed in it? No, because that would be wholly impractical for armies fighting in formation, shoulder to shoulder.
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May 26, 2015 00:01
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I hope Cersei has a trial exactly like the final episode of Seinfeld. Just a parade of former cast members and extras detailing everything from regicide to baby murder to loving her brother to ordering the death of a puppy to keeping a mad scientist in the basement making Frankensteins while she just sort of grimaces and shrugs.
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May 26, 2015 00:04
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So are Brienne and Pod just chillin outside Winterfell for months going nope, no candle today.
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May 26, 2015 00:06
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pigdog posted:It was venison. Which Cersei had had a day earlier (i.e. table scraps).
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May 26, 2015 00:06
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I hope Cersei has a trial exactly like the final episode of Seinfeld. Just a parade of former cast members and extras detailing everything from regicide to baby murder to loving her brother to ordering the death of a puppy to keeping a mad scientist in the basement making Frankensteins while she just sort of grimaces and shrugs. To be fair, most of those are either dead, presumed dead, or whereabouts unknown. However, if Pycelle got called as a witness and just unloaded every little bit of dirt he had on her after all these years, that would be pretty amazing.
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May 26, 2015 00:09
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I'm thinking Oliver, basically saying "I'll get my boy to repent his confession." If you think about it, Oliver rolled over like a wet biscuit on some high profile clients. Super amateur, unless its all part of the plan to say he was coerced by Cersei and she is the only guilty party in the whole situation.
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May 26, 2015 00:30
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:regicide to baby murder to loving her brother to ordering the death of a puppy to keeping a mad scientist in the basement making Frankensteins
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May 26, 2015 00:31
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I'm thinking Oliver, basically saying "I'll get my boy to repent his confession." Holy poo poo. Littlefinger pays him to turn Loras in, and then gets paid to get Loras out. While he wasn't even around. Dude's crazy good.
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May 26, 2015 00:33
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Bobo the Red posted:Holy poo poo. Littlefinger pays him to turn Loras in, and then gets paid to get Loras out. While he wasn't even around. Dude's crazy good. So if he's been paid to get Loras out, what has happened? He's gotten paid twice to get Loras and Margaery into and out of prison, now Cersei - who has been running the realm into the ground - goes into jail, giving the Tyrells who actually seem competent more control over the crown. He may be setting the Tyrells up for a fall by letting them bleed to keep Tommen on the throne while he's happily building strength, but still he wants chaos and Cersei was good at promoting that.
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Hexel posted:If you think about it, Oliver rolled over like a wet biscuit on some high profile clients. Super amateur, unless its all part of the plan to say he was coerced by Cersei and she is the only guilty party in the whole situation. I so hope that's what happens. If Littlefinger's current masterstroke is to wreck Cersei's poo poo that way, it'd be hilarious. Actually, this seems like quite a likely outcome. Oliver probably trusts Littlefinger, who knows all Cersei's secrets including the Lannisters being in extreme debt they cannot pay back (a situation he put them in.) Also, Littlefinger's alliance to the Tyrells is still intensely valuable, since they're the de facto wealthiest House. He has every incentive to help them and crush Cersei. And manipulating this situation is an elegant way to do it. He didn't actually go back to King's Landing to rat out Sansa. I forget, did he go back before or after she armed the Faith Militant?
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May 26, 2015 01:03
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Al Nipper posted:Jonathan Pryce is marvelous and probably my fave character at the moment. He's frightening and inspiring in equal measure. Like a rogue AI that logically decides that the most efficient way to eradicate corruption is to wipe the slate clean. He and the rest of the Sparrows remind me of your typical radical protestant reformists back in the 16th century, Take your pick, Anabaptism and Melchior Hoffman are excellent examples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_Hoffman
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May 26, 2015 01:05
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so, guys, how'd you like this last episode. i enjoyed it, personally.
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May 26, 2015 01:07
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Wizard Master posted:I thought this episode was garbage personally.
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May 26, 2015 01:25
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Jerusalem posted:I know that the trial is still to come, but it did strike me as odd that the High Sparrow was willing to take the word of this one guy over both Loras and Margaery's as strong enough proof to imprison them both ahead of a formal trial. I mean, WE know what he is saying is true, but he offered no evidence beyond saying,"I had sex with Loras and the Queen knew about it." The Sparrows know he ran Littlefinger's brothel so in their mind he'd already be a known flesh-peddler and thus not somebody whose word they should trust, and Loras has just as much a public history of making eyes at pretty ladies (like giving the flower to Sansa) while Margaery has a proven history of caring for the common people and helping to feed the poor/look after orphans. I think the actual guilt or innocence of Loras and Margaery are ancillary considerations to the High Sparrow. He's interested in hooking the biggest corrupt fish he can find in King's Landing, and making a high-profile example of them. That's why he's only too happy to have Cersei now. 
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I still just find it hard to believe that Cersei did not see this coming at all, knowing the Sparrows are undiscriminating in their religious justice and she hosed Lancel who is one of them. I know it's part of her character that she isn't as smart as she thinks she is but surely that connection would have crossed her mind. Is the idea just that she's so caught up in the fever of having cornered Margaery?
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I still just find it hard to believe that Cersei did not see this coming at all, knowing the Sparrows are undiscriminating in their religious justice and she hosed Lancel who is one of them. I know it's part of her character that she isn't as smart as she thinks she is but surely that connection would have crossed her mind. Is the idea just that she's so caught up in the fever of having cornered Margaery? Maybe she straight up can't understand that Lancel would genuinely want to atone for what he did instead of sorta blackmail her into beefing up his silly little cult. Same goes for the Sparrow - "Oh, what does this unwashed charlatan want? Probably to be the new High Septon and to play with the big dogs, that's why he does the whole 'justice for everyone' schtick. Fine, he needs me for that." It would be a reasonable mistake to make since Olenna did the same thing. Then again, she didn't arm them.
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So in terms of comeuppance to loathsome characters, we have Theon, whose dragged-out torture, mutilation, and psychological destruction has probably made people regret wishing ill on him; and we have Joffrey, who I'm assuming most people think that the little poo poo had it coming and poison was even too quick for him. I wonder where Cersei will fall on that continuum
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an skeleton posted:so, guys, how'd you like this last episode. i enjoyed it, personally. Seven blessings
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#1 HBO-boob of all time GoT S05E07  http://i.imgur.com/hByK3ai.jpg
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I still just find it hard to believe that Cersei did not see this coming at all, knowing the Sparrows are undiscriminating in their religious justice and she hosed Lancel who is one of them. I know it's part of her character that she isn't as smart as she thinks she is but surely that connection would have crossed her mind. Is the idea just that she's so caught up in the fever of having cornered Margaery? I'd say Cersei simply doesn't entertain the idea of things not going her way. She's the rich trophy wife who solves all her issues by throwing her husband's/family's clout around and does it for so long she genuinely believes she's a master schemer and manipulator.
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Capilarean posted:I'd say Cersei simply doesn't entertain the idea of things not going her way. She's the rich trophy wife who solves all her issues by throwing her husband's/family's clout around and does it for so long she genuinely believes she's a master schemer and manipulator. I agree. Even as she is being thrown into a cell having just seen how Margery is holding up, Cersei is still threatening them with death.
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May 26, 2015 02:51
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The notion that her subjects don't respect or fear her is too alien to accept.
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May 26, 2015 02:56
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Capilarean posted:I'd say Cersei simply doesn't entertain the idea of things not going her way. I see this very similarly. Her main problem is that all of her schemes don't include her. Her schemes would all be great if she were locked in a saferoom with infinite food, but she doesn't realize that she's out in the open just like the people she's attacking.
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May 26, 2015 02:57
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May 26, 2015 02:59
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Vegetable posted:The latest episode was also a glimpse into an unglamorous side of Margaery. Her hair was awful. No way she was still hot
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Jerusalem posted:I know that the trial is still to come, but it did strike me as odd that the High Sparrow was willing to take the word of this one guy over both Loras and Margaery's as strong enough proof to imprison them both ahead of a formal trial. I mean, WE know what he is saying is true, but he offered no evidence beyond saying,"I had sex with Loras and the Queen knew about it." The Sparrows know he ran Littlefinger's brothel so in their mind he'd already be a known flesh-peddler and thus not somebody whose word they should trust, and Loras has just as much a public history of making eyes at pretty ladies (like giving the flower to Sansa) while Margaery has a proven history of caring for the common people and helping to feed the poor/look after orphans. No one's saying the penalty for buggery or perjury is death, especially if they confess and are contrite about it.
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I don't know if I would be that harsh. When it to manipulation and scheming, Cersei is usually pretty successful. Whether it be launching a coup against the Iron Throne or displacing a new young rival, Cersei has excelled at conniving her way into a position of power. Her methods might be extreme, but you cannot deny that she almost always accomplishes her short-term goals. Cersei's main problem is that she doesn't know when to stop. Tywin understood that scheming was a means to an end, but for Cersei one successful plot necessarily leads to another. There is always some enemy that must be destroyed, regardless of the cost. When that enemy is gone, she can focus her efforts on destroying that rival that she has just created. I see Cersei as a good rebel but an awful ruler. She can scheme her way into power but has no idea what to do with her authority once she attains it. The Human Crouton posted:I see this very similarly. Her main problem is that all of her schemes don't include her. Her schemes would all be great if she were locked in a saferoom with infinite food, but she doesn't realize that she's out in the open just like the people she's attacking. This might actually be a better way of viewing Cersei. She was really exceptional at the Game when people underestimated and ignored her. She could afford to do extreme options because the blowback wouldn't affect her directly. When the situation changed and Cersei became the most powerful person in Westeros, that mindset no longer worked. Any scheme would necessarily involve her and she still sees herself as untouchable. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:20 on May 26, 2015 |
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Super.Jesus posted:No one's saying the penalty for buggery or perjury is death, especially if they confess and are contrite about it. That would be the funniest thing. Margery and Loras confess and the High Septon is just, "4 Hail Marys, 2 Our Father's" and you're good to go.
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The Human Crouton posted:I see this very similarly. Her main problem is that all of her schemes don't include her. Her schemes would all be great if she were locked in a saferoom with infinite food, but she doesn't realize that she's out in the open just like the people she's attacking. She fails at speaking softly, however. She doesn't even try. If Cersei Lannister doesn't like you, everyone in King's Landing will know within the week. This combination of traits is a great way to make an insurmountable amount of enemies.
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Targaryen diplomacy has always been spotty though. During the Dance of Dragons, Daemon Targaryen declared "Give us the dragons, and we will finish the job." He died kickflipping off one dragon onto another in order to plunge a sword through his opponent's eye.
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Sheep-Goats posted:#1 HBO-boob of all time GoT S05E07 Somebody hasn't seen True Detective S01E02
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Was interesting how some characters like Dany, Gilly, Myrcella all had men interfering on their behalf when they never needed or asked for help Meanwhile characters who ARE begging men for help get nothing (Margaery) or worse (Sansa)
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May 26, 2015 04:57
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Sheep-Goats posted:#1 HBO-boob of all time GoT S05E07 I honestly kind of hope Bron decides to stay in Dorn with her and just say screw it to the rest of Westeros.
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SexyBlindfold posted:As it was mentioned, I'd be all for seeing the Faith Militant (and its leader in particular) as defending the interests of the smallfolk and fighting back against the nobles that keep throwing poo poo at them and sending them to die, but so far the main concerns that the FM has shown are: Just saying, that you pretty much described the fantasy Taliban / ISIS. Clearly the reaction from being curb stomped by bigger powers, but the first things they are concerned about is being morality police for their own religion. Junkfist posted:The only good guys on this show are The Faith Militant and Stannis but that's pretty much it. So militant puritans and a guy who is seriously considering burning his daughter alive are the good guys? Well gently caress. Honestly Brienne and Podrick are the only really good people. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 05:29 on May 26, 2015 |
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