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Prav posted:You could probably convince me that it was better than the current IS-4, even with 710 missing HP and short VR. The IS-4 has no armor at all so the extra HP would be counteracted by being able to bounce 200 pen shots.
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Bat chat arty shotguns will never get old. I really need to make a gif of some of these. I just ruined a t57 heavy's day when catching him in reload, coming up to his side and unloading the last shell in my clip which penned and killed him.
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I was just looking at the IS-8 vs the IS7. It looks like the IS-8's gun actually has more penetration, better accuracy, better aim time and better DPM (but negligible). Is there any other tier 9/10 combo where this is the case? It looks like the 122mm M62-T2 is better in every regard except alpha than the 130mm S-70. Obviously alpha is important, and the IS-7 is better in pretty much every other appreciable way, but I just thought this was kinda weird.
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 Definitely super OP. Glad they're nerfing this thing. I don't get it. This tank went so well on the test server and it seemed to do enough that I wanted. Reasonable gun combined with "outstanding for a medium" armour and decent speed. I play it on live and T57's beat me for acceleration. A loving T57 will outrun a 113 except on rather long flat stretches. What the gently caress?  I swear it was fast on the test server. I swear.  The modules make me think it's actually just an oversized A-44 with how many things break or die.The teams have been unbelievably poo poo so don't read too much into the winrate or survival rate, though two or three of those games were completely my fault. It's not just the teams though, the 113 just isn't performing. The weirder thing is that it's a complete beast at sidescraping. I guess I can see why with those flat, semi-respectable sides with thick tracks, but that's about all it can do. For some reason the bar for mastery is actually decently high, which meant my 7400 damage 5 kills game (all within my own spotting range) didn't count for anything. This might be the first t10 tank I sell, but I'll have to give it another try when I'm less mad or platooned.] e: Still better than the A-44 though. gently caress that thing.
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The IS-7 is getting some buffs to it's gun in 9.8 if I remember correctly. I think it was purely on handling though. The IS-8 is getting something as well. But yeah, it was a bit of a disappointment to unlock the 7 and find the gun so unwieldy.
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M.C. McMic posted:I was just looking at the IS-8 vs the IS7. It looks like the IS-8's gun actually has more penetration, better accuracy, better aim time and better DPM (but negligible). Is there any other tier 9/10 combo where this is the case? It looks like the 122mm M62-T2 is better in every regard except alpha than the 130mm S-70. Obviously alpha is important, and the IS-7 is better in pretty much every other appreciable way, but I just thought this was kinda weird. There's room to argue that the IS-7 has the better gold shell. Anyway, the WZ-111 1-4 and 113 does the same gun swap but the other way around (in case the 113 just wasn't disappointing enough) and there's also the E-75/E-100 that does it with a much larger alpha difference. Comedy answer M41/T49.
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Hellsau posted:Don't worry - in my STB-1 tonight I shot 22 times, hit 18, penned 7. It was in Clan Wars and we lost. I am loving terrible. I did hit 3 enemy guns though - for no actual critical damage. The only downside to the LTTB is its awful gun depression, I'm probably just spoiled from the Ru 251 and M41, but I've missed out on a ton of shots because of its lack of depression. Magres posted:I'm done, a T49 full penned me with derp HE from across the map while I was in my M103. He scraped along my rear engine deck and hit one of the tiny bumps in the deck to full pen me for 1049 damage. The T49 is pretty much bullshit incarante with its gun. The amount of poo poo I've seen one pull is beyond compare.
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The IS8 used to be better than the IS7 before its armor was nerfed. It used to have like 500 pen HEAT too. It was quite a hoot penning anything everywhere.
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Prav posted:There's room to argue that the IS-7 has the better gold shell. How's that? The IS-8's gold shell has 37mm more penetration. It looks significantly better. Is it some sort of difference between HEAT and APCR? Do they have different characteristics?
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HEAT doesn't normalize, and gets royally hosed over by spaced armor and tracks. All else being equal APCR is vastly better, and even APCR with less pen can be more reliably useful than high-pen HEAT. e: Does HEAT get any benefit from overmatching? Steelion fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 26, 2015 |
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Steelion posted:e: Does HEAT get any benefit from overmatching? Overmatching is a multiplicative benefit, so no. The biggest HEAT shell in the game will still bounce off of thin armor if you can hit at an autobounce angle.
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Rorac posted:Overmatching is a multiplicative benefit, so no. The biggest HEAT shell in the game will still bounce off of thin armor if you can hit at an autobounce angle.
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APCR doesn't make that sweet sweet troll hiss when it pens though.
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Speaking of APCR and pen, I just lobbed half a dozen APCR shots from my Type 59 at an ST-I and didn't pen once. He was at a bit of range and angled pretty well, but gently caress. I thought I'd get lucky once or twice. He only has 140mm of armor for fucks sake. 
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Desuwa posted:For some reason the bar for mastery is actually decently high, which meant my 7400 damage 5 kills game (all within my own spotting range) didn't count for anything. The bar for mastery is high because it's an unpopular tank which is probably only played by people who really like it's style and have become decent with it.
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M.C. McMic posted:I was just looking at the IS-8 vs the IS7. It looks like the IS-8's gun actually has more penetration, better accuracy, better aim time and better DPM (but negligible). Is there any other tier 9/10 combo where this is the case? It looks like the 122mm M62-T2 is better in every regard except alpha than the 130mm S-70. Obviously alpha is important, and the IS-7 is better in pretty much every other appreciable way, but I just thought this was kinda weird. I am sort of thinking about getting the IS-4, since that gun on a mobile and reasonably armoured chassis. And then I realised I have to play through the rest of that line starting from the KV-3 and just goes, nah, not worth. The ST-I looks fun, but ultimately not worth it. I would probably rather go the Chinese heavy line where the WZ-111-4 looks fun. Hellsau posted:You can technically get LT-15 from east spawn on Swamp, north spawn on Redshire, south spawn on Highway, and sometimes on Malinovka if the teams work out just right. Otherwise it's all Prok all the time. 4.8k spotting damage. I was kinda lucky that the Protos decided to go east as well as that T32 suiciding, as well as having 2 toon mates sitting on the hill shooting what I spotted.
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Cardiac posted:I am sort of thinking about getting the IS-4, since that gun on a mobile and reasonably armoured chassis. And then I realised I have to play through the rest of that line starting from the KV-3 and just goes, nah, not worth. The kv-4 is much fun though. Even though the 107 is unique to the tank, it still works well. Also, the tank itself is pretty good at being a brick wall at a more reasonable tier (I've made bad e-75s panic and bounce all their shells before, but that was shortly after the line came out). If you have the is-8 fully researched already, then the st-i's pain is already covered as you'll have it available to grab. If you had gone that line first, you would have had to use the d-25t at tier 9 till you could unlock the bl-9. And then that gun till the fun 122.
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subhelios posted:He didn't even loving read the ticket did he. They usually don't read the tickets. I had to go through this with some WGNA retard who was clearly not reading what I was typing. WGNA CS is as incompetent as the playerbase. Missing Name posted:
You're kind of on the right track. Note that just because your effective maximum angle increases on the backside of a hill doesn't mean your shell's range will increase (if the rest of the terrain is level.) The shell doesn't magically have more propellant, and is still affected by gravity. It will actually have a shorter range than on level ground because it's being fired up at a higher angle; the effect is exactly the same as if you could elevate the gun higher than in the first setup. Greater angle, steeper descent, but shorter range, maximum range being at 45°. Remember, g = 9.8 m/s². It's been a long time since I last studied physics, but these are the basics I remember. Your angles are right but the X values are off. Magres posted:I'm done, a T49 full penned me with derp HE from across the map while I was in my M103. He scraped along my rear engine deck and hit one of the tiny bumps in the deck to full pen me for 1049 damage. I don't think it's against the rules (but can't be bothered to check for sure.) IDDQD listed his in SA-mart but it doesn't appear to have sold. M.C. McMic posted:I was just looking at the IS-8 vs the IS7. It looks like the IS-8's gun actually has more penetration, better accuracy, better aim time and better DPM (but negligible). Is there any other tier 9/10 combo where this is the case? It looks like the 122mm M62-T2 is better in every regard except alpha than the 130mm S-70. Obviously alpha is important, and the IS-7 is better in pretty much every other appreciable way, but I just thought this was kinda weird. I have both the IS-7 & IS-4 and I can tell you I strongly prefer the M62 over the S-70. Part of it is the soft stats, but the latter is still a relic (like the Maus' gun) from the early days that suffers from power creep. (Compare it to the E5 or FV215 120 mm guns for example.)
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CitizenKain posted:The T49 is pretty much bullshit incarante with its gun. The amount of poo poo I've seen one pull is beyond compare. T49 has joined the (I)SU-152 in the tanks that make me instantly start praying for RNG jebus to save me when one decloaks with it's barrel pointed right at me.
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M.C. McMic posted:Speaking of APCR and pen, I just lobbed half a dozen APCR shots from my Type 59 at an ST-I and didn't pen once. He was at a bit of range and angled pretty well, but gently caress. I thought I'd get lucky once or twice. He only has 140mm of armor for fucks sake. I've taken to almost solely firing APCR out of my IS and it's been met with some amazing reactions, especially from tier 9 tanks that think I can't pen them (and the angle/pen xvm mod helping me shoot them). Had a Cent 7/1 last night telling me to learn to aim instead of "making GBS threads gold" when I was shooting through his suspension and striking his LFP.
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Managed to grind out the last 30k on the AT-15, 50k on the T-34-2, and 45k on the A-44 yesterday. This one holiday made it possible for the me to get rid of three of my most hated tanks. I am so happy the founding fathers had internet tanks in mind when they established Labor Day. 
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I'm an Xbox player but didn't get an answer in that thread so hopefully these questions are general enough to get a relevant reply here. What do I need to do to get the most from the Bishop tier V British artillery? I loved the Birch Gun and might repurchase it but I just can't get my head around the Bishop at all. Also any pre-purchase advice for the AMX 12t?
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The most-get: ridding yourself of the 25pdr. Your range is now rather short, but the shot trajectory is almost vertical. Enjoy your circular aim zone for roof penetrations erryday. (they didn't change it after 9.0, right?)
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Haquer posted:I've taken to almost solely firing APCR out of my IS and it's been met with some amazing reactions, especially from tier 9 tanks that think I can't pen them (and the angle/pen xvm mod helping me shoot them). Had a Cent 7/1 last night telling me to learn to aim instead of "making GBS threads gold" when I was shooting through his suspension and striking his LFP. I use the same enhanced penetration mod, and I couldn't pen that ST-I to save my life. I guess it was either really terrible luck or I was picking bad spots to shoot on his hull given his angle to me (or both). But, given that my penetration with APCR in the Type 59 is something like 250 and the fact that his hull armor is 140, I figured my chances were better than 0/6. Rothmog posted:I am so happy the founding fathers had internet tanks in mind when they established Labor Day. Memorial Day.
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M.C. McMic posted:
Someone doesn't get sarcasm. You didn't catch that the founding fathers had nothing to do with Memorial Day.....
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Rothmog posted:Someone doesn't get sarcasm. You didn't catch that the founding fathers had nothing to do with Memorial Day..... Hey, good one.
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Desuwa posted:For some reason the bar for mastery is actually decently high, which meant my 7400 damage 5 kills game (all within my own spotting range) didn't count for anything. that reason is named donkeyhotay, hth every other time i see him he's in the 113
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rossmum posted:that reason is named donkeyhotay, hth Sorry. I don't know why people say the 113 has bad armor when mine has a higher armor utilization than every t10 that isn't a maus, including the e100
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Just saw the HD picture of the 110E5. Looks pretty nice.
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JuffoWup posted:The kv-4 is much fun though. At tier VIII, absolutely. At tier X every strength the tank has is nullified and every weakness magnified massively. You're suddenly an incredibly slow and clumsy shitbox with no armour and an inadequate gun for the way you have to play. Tier IX is only marginally better. I detest the KV-4 because of that. It's a much much harsher experience than any of the other tier VIII tanks I've played. To the point where I've put 91,000 combat experience on it towards the ST-I and I just cannot make myself play it any more. It is by a massive margin my lowest win rate tank,
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How can the loving Challenger be so awful after the Firefly was so great? I hate this goddamn thing! Someone help me!
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RanKizama posted:Someone help me! The Charioteer is worth every second of the pain!
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The Challenger is more or less literally a tier 7 Firefly/Achilles, with just enough mobility to get yourself into trouble, a slower turret, and literally zero redeeming qualities.
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The 9.8 map changes look really good, for the most part. I think most people already knew about the Karelia and Sand River changes, but Westfield is also getting big changes. The northwest and southeast sections of the map are both getting big changes. You can see them in the imbedded viewers here: http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/pc-browser/17/98-map-change/ Siegfried Line is also getting some changes that are supposed to help the assaulting team in Assault mode, but I don't see how the changes are really going to help. All they did was make the bunkers larger and added some destroyed tanks for additional cover. It might have the opposite effect of encouraging baddies to sit in the field behind the improved hard cover and get pinned down from the very beginning, rather than having them scurry into town ASAP.
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Uranium 235 posted:The 9.8 map changes look really good, for the most part. I think most people already knew about the Karelia and Sand River changes, but Westfield is also getting big changes. The northwest and southeast sections of the map are both getting big changes. You can see them in the imbedded viewers here: http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/pc-browser/17/98-map-change/ Looks good. They really need to release a map-building toolkit and let the player base work up some maps. A few new maps a year would really freshen things up. They also need to revamp their map server so we aren't stuck with ~10 maps a day. Every map should be in the rotation at all times.
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Hahaha what? The actual way to help the assaulting team is to not split them up in two different spawn locations since being defense on Siegfried Line is the easiest thing ever - push straight west, kill the northern half of the enemy team, then kill the southern spawning enemies. Or just make the field not worthless and swap where the two teams spawn.
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 http://wotreplays.com/site/1909970?secret=312ed6d0ae528194ecee95d9019072ba I don't really get on with the M103. I'm not sure why but I can never really get the gun to behave for me and it has probably the worst win rate of any of my tanks. For some reason in this game it tried to make it up to me and just let me pen whatever I wanted to from the edges of render distance. Also props to the t-54 lightweight who did a ridiculously good job of lighting up targets for me, hopefully he was on a LT-15.
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