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OwlFancier posted:Then that would be better represented as fifteen straight lines running left/right across the map with stations at even intervals, with branch lines being just that, branches from their parent lines. Other connections between stations can be drawn in in lighter lines where necessary. It would not be, because they are physically sharing stations and tracks for those 7 bridges and tunnels dude. Drawing redundant maps for each and every line would be far more confusing. You seem to totally misunderstand the way the subway in NYC works, maybe that's why you find it confusing? It's not like London where it's one physical line one actual service, with maybe a branch service fork or two, physical lines can share as much as 4 services at any on time and the mapping is necessarily more complex. Also that Detroit Metro map is for a system that doesn't even exist. It's much easier to draw a nice map when you can literally make all of it up! And the Toronto map you linked is for a vastly simpler system that covers a whole city. We're not talking "slightly more complex" we're talking orders of magnitude more complex.
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OwlFancier posted:Apologies to all who look at the post count and think Full Rail Nationalism was announced. 
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This is infinitely more readable, clear, useful and better looking than the existing map: http://web.mta.info/weekender/stationview.html?x=575&y=204 No compromise between diagram and geography, no pointless roads, parks, additional ugly fonts and it show express services clearly.
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May 22, 2015 23:12
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Metrication posted:This is infinitely more readable, clear, useful and better looking than the existing map: The weekender isn't printed or published anywhere but online because it changes every weekend, and it'll get you seriously lost in a lot of the city because it obscures when the rail lines shift over multiple major streets. The roads aren't extraneous, they're necessary to know where you are without having a secondary map, especially if you'll have to change to a major bus. Edit: To be more specific a design like the Weekender's was used for most of the 70s by the city, but it was abandoned due to people having trouble actually get around using it. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 22, 2015 |
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May 22, 2015 23:16
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The NYC map suits a slightly stricter geographical mapping because most of the NYC subway lines follow the main roads and NYCs roads are mostly straight and parallel. Only the old sub-surface lines on the Underground follow roads, and the roads they follow wander all over the loving place. Even attempting to make the clusterfuck around Bank/Monument or Kings Cross/St Pancras geographically correct would make the whole thing unreadable for no reason. Mind you they could make the whole thing a lot more readable by going back to Beck's original design and chopping the lines off (replacing them with just lists of stations) around the modern zone 2/3 border, because you don't really need the whole of the Met or Central Line's outer areas on the map when there's no interchanges. Not that the Beck map is perfect - the stretching means that people often end up taking much less optimal routes, especially to the most popular tourist attractions - e.g. people going to St. Pauls Cathedral will slog all their way to the Central Line station despite it being just as easy to walk up from Blackfriars or Mansion House, or take a pointless detour via Bank and/or Liverpool Street to get to the District or Circle Line even though it's an easy ten minute walk from either of those stations.
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Jesus we've got some defending the NYC subway map. It's generally seen as a huge design failure. It constantly confuses tourists, takes much longer to figure out, requires you to understand express services, and there's no way you can actually print it out on handy little flyers to give to people. Compare the current one with the Kickmap below, which is a much better hybrid between geographical and systematic maps:  Versus  And if you look at that in more detail: And some detailed comparisons:  
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sweek0 posted:Jesus we've got some defending the NYC subway map. It's generally seen as a huge design failure. It constantly confuses tourists, takes much longer to figure out, requires you to understand express services, and there's no way you can actually print it out on handy little flyers to give to people. Both of those maps are wildly out of date. Things have changed since 2007, including several of the services on that map no longer existing or being highly rerouted. This is the current map: http://web.mta.info/nyct/maps/subwaymap.pdf Please look at that before you rant more about utterly obsolete maps and their failings.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Both of those maps are wildly out of date. Things have changed since 2007, including several of the services on that map no longer existing or being highly rerouted. This is the current map:
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sweek0 posted:I think the exact same points still stand when it comes to the design of the map. Not even close. It's far less cluttered with extraneous information, and the kickmap design still pointlessly multiplies line widths depending on number of services. Seriously, the map design actually works for getting people around. The kickmap and similar things are primarily "useful" for people who never show up and just want a weird collection of maps to gaze at. The kickmap's general style and motives were attempted in the 50s through 70s and it failed the public. See: 1972: http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/images/maps/system_1972.jpg 1968: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1968_photo1.jpg and http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1968_photo2.jpg 1966: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1966_a.gif 1959: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1959.gif Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 21:39 on May 25, 2015 |
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Well it can't get any worse than that? Right? Oh.. (To be fair to Tokyo Metro this is a slightly out of date map. Lets take a look at a newer one!)  That's better, but not by much. And I don't know who's responsible for this next one but its a sin against transport maps everywhere. 
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Big news from the southern region: Southeastern are going to fix all their "consistently rated the worst" woes by... painting their trains a slightly different colour of blue http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/pictures_southeastern_refurbish_third_of_all_its_trains_and_paint_them_new_colours_1_4080783 
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May 26, 2015 10:30
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NYC 1972 map is sexy as gently caress
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Sexiest NYC map is actually this one: Full size here I can thoroughly recommend Mark Ovenden's Transit Maps of the World, by the way. Excellent book.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Big news from the southern region: Southeastern are going to fix all their "consistently rated the worst" woes by... painting their trains a slightly different colour of blue http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/pictures_southeastern_refurbish_third_of_all_its_trains_and_paint_them_new_colours_1_4080783 When I had to regularly commute to south east London, the most reliable thing about their service was that the trains always smelled strongly of piss. Take that away and you have no continuity at all.
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sweek0 posted:Sexiest NYC map is actually this one: Got a big version of that? Also thanks for the tip, book looks great e: lmao the link is right there jesus christ
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Guys when your seats are the same kind they put on the arriva buses two models ago, you might want to consider getting new ones rather than reupholstering the old ones, just sayin'.
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My god I hate the british rail system. I forgot my railcard on Saturday for a London->Nottingham jaunt. I had prebooked my ticket, so had to get the young persons ticket (£38, approx. £55ish without the rail card). Of course, when I get near Nottingham the inspector comes around, and nicks me for not having my railcard. I got fined £130 for this - what the actual gently caress. On the way home on Sunday morning, I had the luxury, nay the privilege, of sitting on the floor inbetween carriages because there weren't enough seats. gently caress this country. Also, does anyone know how I can reclaim the money for the ticket because I actually do have a railcard?
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tentish klown posted:My god I hate the british rail system. Raise a fuss with the operating company would be a good start. Though I'm wondering why you didn't just get charged the full fare...? Round here if you don't have a ticket they just make you buy one off the conductor I think?
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tentish klown posted:My god I hate the british rail system. fairly sure that the fine is for not having the card on you at the time, not for not having one at all.
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OwlFancier posted:Raise a fuss with the operating company would be a good start. The conductor gave me the choice of buying a super expensive ticket that apparently I can claim back (she quoted some rule that said I get to do that once, ever), or a cheaper £90 option that I could definitely not claim back.
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tentish klown posted:The conductor gave me the choice of buying a super expensive ticket that apparently I can claim back (she quoted some rule that said I get to do that once, ever), or a cheaper £90 option that I could definitely not claim back. Try making a fuss anyway, if it takes you less than 10 hours to get reimbursed, you're earning a not-terrible wage. They might offer you vouchers which is sort of like money if you train a lot. This is admittedly my advice for everything given that it's how my grandmother pays for everything, by arguing until she gets a discount, but it worked last time I got stuck on the train because the line got washed out. Blah blah poor service blah blah outrageous demands blah blah never using your company again blah blah want my money back blah blah guess I'll accept vouchers. Something like that, worth a shot at any rate. Don't be abusive but keep trying to escalate if they don't give you anything.
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Venmoch posted:Well it can't get any worse than that? Right? I actually always found these extremely easy to use.
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tentish klown posted:The conductor gave me the choice of buying a super expensive ticket that apparently I can claim back (she quoted some rule that said I get to do that once, ever), or a cheaper £90 option that I could definitely not claim back. You'll need proof of purchase of your original ticket AND the receipt of the new ticket (or either of the tickets themselves), then your best bet is to go to a ticket office and speak to someone who is far more knowledgeable about such things than me. It's a bastard, I got stitched up for £90 on a ticket to York once because I was travelling peak not off peak (despite having left Reading at 3 in the afternoon). My colleagues who were travelling from Swindon were all good though as those 45 miles made all the difference, despite the fact we were on the same bloody trains! Claimed it back off my company but it was a massive piss take. Still to this day don't know how that worked.
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Now the dust has settled on NR's 'nationalisation', the tories want it broken up.quote:Exclusive: Train stations could be hived off in plan to split up Network Rail I understand the move towards regional funding but what is the point of having power and telecoms stuff hived off? I thought Network Rail had spent a long time taking this stuff back in house because it's so cost prohibitive when delivered by other companies. Additionally, full new tube map is up: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/tube-map-may-2015.pdf Metrication fucked around with this message at 12:01 on May 29, 2015 |
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Network Rail had just spent £3bn rebuilding the fibre network from when it got privatised last time... Fucks sake. Do wonder how long it is before we come under scrutiny. My department is basically an internal contractor which directly competes against the private sector...
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How do you like our subway since you moved here, Bozza?
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May 29, 2015 20:05
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Ugh that map is all wrong godddd
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I commend Glasgow for its pleasing oval shape, and the straightness of its river.
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Bozza posted:Network Rail had just spent £3bn rebuilding the fibre network from when it got privatised last time... Fucks sake. Torys are getting nostalgic for potters bar and are going for a reboot.
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thehustler posted:Ugh that map is all wrong godddd I'm pretty sure there was an early version inside the carriages that neglected to indicate which direction the inner and outer circles went. Shocking stuff. Party Boat posted:I commend Glasgow for its pleasing oval shape, and the straightness of its river. The colour of the water is a bit of a worry, though. Might explain their problems with life expectancy. Angepain fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 30, 2015 |
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Serco moved my train forward two hours. The email address they have from the booking was good enough for adverts about the lounge car and to let me know how pleased the staff will be to see me, but apparently not good enough to let me know about this alteration.
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Who is a part of national rail exactly. Just curious, was talking to colleagues in the canteen and we realised that if the strike took place then we would be suspended between Putney Bridge and Wimbledon and Richmond branch because of potentially no signaling staff. This got everyone talking about who actually is national rail in these days of privatization. Can you shed any light on this. Most appreciated Ta
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National Rail is the brand name for the Association of Train Operating Companies.
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Have any of you guys played SimSig? Hoooly poo poo my loving brain.
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thehustler posted:Have any of you guys played SimSig? Hoooly poo poo my loving brain. It can be pretty challenging, yeah. I've poked it around a bit. Better with other people.
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thehustler posted:Have any of you guys played SimSig? Hoooly poo poo my loving brain. I design this kinda stuff for a living  Glasgow Subway - good, unless full of Rangers fans.
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Another legal challenge has been lodged against construction of the Ordsall Chord.
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Bozza posted:I design this kinda stuff for a living Aye, I knew you did. Apparently they use it in training for certain positions so I figured you'd at least seen it.
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brakanjan posted:Who is a part of national rail exactly. National Rail is ATOC as mentioned before. They are not going on strike. Network Rail is going on strike - they own and operate and maintain all UK mainline rail infrastructure.
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