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BattleMaster posted:I got three Phantoms partly because I wanted the Tacticians and partly because I wanted to try running a squad of them. Three sigmas with advanced cloaking device, advanced sensor, and intelligence agent is 99 points, and would be my initial guess at how to run phantoms at low PS. Gives you a chance to see the dials of your opponents ships, and barrel roll out of some firing arcs/into their movement path.
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Reynold posted:Three sigmas with advanced cloaking device, advanced sensor, and intelligence agent is 99 points, and would be my initial guess at how to run phantoms at low PS. Gives you a chance to see the dials of your opponents ships, and barrel roll out of some firing arcs/into their movement path. I feel like the big problem here will be turrets. I mean, turrets are kind of a problem for many lists, but low PS Phantoms in particular stand to get shredded by anyone packing a turret and higher PS than them, and there's not a lot that decloak shenanigans and barrel rolling can do against 360-degree fire coverage.
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May 26, 2015 08:31
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Stygiums are quite nice for low PS phantoms.
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May 26, 2015 08:38
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Kai Tave posted:I feel like the big problem here will be turrets. That's basically summarising X-Wing in general though; Any list you make needs to run an internal checklist that says 'How will I deal with...?' and one of the entries on that list is dedicated to 2x Large with Turrets. (Hyperbole intended) They could change the core rulebook through FAQ and add Autothruster-esque Green to everyone, so that any shots fired outside of your Primary Arc give an additional Green Dice, and they'd STILL be worth taking. That tells you simultaneously how good Turrets are in this game, and how bad Green dice are generally compared to simple tankiness.
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May 26, 2015 09:28
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Shockeh posted:That's basically summarising X-Wing in general though; Any list you make needs to run an internal checklist that says 'How will I deal with...?' and one of the entries on that list is dedicated to 2x Large with turrets Eh 2 turret lists arent nearly as common anymore now that double IGs are a hot thing. Thats the big roadblock in list building now and low lvl phantoms being PS 5 is kinda sucks vs them.
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May 26, 2015 12:24
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zVxTeflon posted:Eh 2 turret lists arent nearly as common anymore now that double IGs are a hot thing. Thats the big roadblock in list building now and low lvl phantoms being PS 5 is kinda sucks vs them. I much prefer Double IG than Double Turret, simply because at least the Double IG player is (even if hyper maneuverable) being forced to think - Double Turret can be (though not exclusively, I don't mean this comment to sound as damning as it probably sounds) basically 'dumb', and just circle the board, knowing full well it's happy to play attrition, and you'll run out of Hull before it does. Naturally, that's over-critical of the list, but I think it's at least partially true; X-Wing is a game of move & countermove, and the Double Turret lists often just don't give a gently caress, and do whatever they were going to do anyway.
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I am actually glad about the inclusion of IGs to the meta because I think they have shaken up the meta quite a bit. I was pretty amazed as well that both the regional and spring tournament seemed to have a much lower number of phantom lists as compared to earlier in the year when I flew in my store championship. Everyone seems to agree that the meta currently present in the system is much healthier than even a few months back and I think the introduction of S&V and the changes to the cloaking rules are largely the cause of that.
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May 26, 2015 13:02
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Kavil — Y-Wing 24 Veteran Instincts 1 Autoblaster Turret 2 Unhinged Astromech 1 Ship Total: 28 Syndicate Thug — Y-Wing 18 Autoblaster Turret 2 Unhinged Astromech 1 BTL-A4 Y-Wing 0 Ship Total: 21 Syndicate Thug — Y-Wing 18 Autoblaster Turret 2 Unhinged Astromech 1 BTL-A4 Y-Wing 0 Ship Total: 21 Palob Godalhi — HWK-290 20 Blaster Turret 4 Recon Specialist 3 Moldy Crow 3 Ship Total: 30 Thinking about this one next time I play. Is it better to use ion cannons on BTL-A4s or just use them as close-range buzzsaws?
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May 26, 2015 16:44
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Emperor crew revealed for Raider expansion. 2 crew slots, 8 points. Once per round change any friendly die to any roll you want.
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Kai Tave posted:I feel like the big problem here will be turrets. I mean, turrets are kind of a problem for many lists, but low PS Phantoms in particular stand to get shredded by anyone packing a turret and higher PS than them, and there's not a lot that decloak shenanigans and barrel rolling can do against 360-degree fire coverage. On the other hand, it might be a blast to fly against non-turret lists.
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I've actually found the autoblaster turret Y-Wings without the title to be really useful, you can even drop the unhinged and they'll do pretty reliable damage (during both the regional and the spring tourney that I went to more than one player got caught unaware by the autoblaster Y-Wing I was flying). One list that I faced was an opportunist Kath/Palob build, with Kath having the K4 Security droid. Just have her do green maneuvers while moving away and you can potentially roll 6 dice with a target lock and focus if anyone is stupid enough to follow you and not have an evade/focus token.
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May 26, 2015 16:49
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Cost will keep people from running the emperor but that ability is bonkers. It sucks to that he fits on the #1 ship in the meta.
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May 26, 2015 17:55
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alg posted:Cost will keep people from running the emperor but that ability is bonkers. It sucks to that he fits on the #1 ship in the meta. Didn't know you could run him on a Falcon.
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May 26, 2015 18:20
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Devlan Mud posted:Didn't know you could run him on a Falcon. In regional winning lists there looks to be one more VT-49 than YT-1300  Edit: actually 2 more. Overall, non champion lists, VT49 is almost a full percent ahead of YT1300 out of all lists at regionals alg fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 26, 2015 |
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At the regional I went to there weren't that many deci builds and don't think one even got to the top 8. Iirc top 8 were a han/jake, Han/3x awing list, 3 different takes on dash, one double IG, one single IG and miniswarm and a mixed alpha/academy swarm. Imp swarm vs double IG in final, with the latter winning.
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May 26, 2015 18:30
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Shoving Palpatine on a Lambda with an Omni Pilot for 29 points, then having Soontir and Jax fully loaded out sounds like the kind of thing I want to do. Just have the Lambda slowly move around the opposite side of the map from your opponent since there is no range limit for his ability. If your opponent goes for the Lambda, they are forced to ignore and Soontir and Jax for a couple rounds. I guess I know what I'll be using for proxie this weekend.
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May 26, 2015 21:54
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Palpatine is neat. Looks like all that is left is Obi Wan.
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May 26, 2015 23:24
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I'm not going to be able to resist talking exclusively in the Palpy voice to my opponents while using him. *modifies dice* "Good... gooooooood..."
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May 26, 2015 23:57
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"What's wrong with my dice? ....What's wrong with your dice???"
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Endman posted:I'm not going to be able to resist talking exclusively in the Palpy voice to my opponents while using him. You and me both pal. For me it's a toss up between " Let the hate flow through you " and "Uunnnnllliiimmmiittteeeeddd Ppppooowwweeerrrr!"
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Endman posted:I'm not going to be able to resist talking exclusively in the Palpy voice to my opponents while using him. *re-rolls blank die, comes up an evade* "You want this....don't you...."
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Check it again. Not a re-roll.
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Strobe posted:Check it again. Not a re-roll. I actually knew that and have no idea why I wrote re-roll. I blame the senate.
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enigmahfc posted:I actually knew that and have no idea why I wrote re-roll. I blame the senate. Someone really ought to sweep away that remnant of the old republic and give regional governors direct control over their territories. Fear would keep the local systems in line.
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"I am so enlightened because of my knowledge of the force and my support of the rebels who are not terrorists at all, also I must always play the good guys in every game because I am such a nice guy in real life" *tips space fedora* ~Typical Rebel player
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Also lol if you the empire are the good guys, you'd have to be some tone-deaf retard who gets swayed by fancy uniforms and have a jackboot fetish, they are clearly the bad guys in the setting. also I play empire primarily so yeah
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I play rebel cause I like ships with shields and I like the look better.
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Strobe posted:Check it again. Not a re-roll. Technically nothing is stopping you from randomly determining which face to change the die to.
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I just got my IG-2000s in the mail today and I can't wait to play them. Planning on running B and D with Manglers, Autoblasters, Inertial Dampeners and...I'm not sure from there? I don't really feel like buying two A wings just for PTL.
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I'm probably gonna be playing some X-Wing this Friday and I'm strongly tempted to run the following just for kicks: Whisper Echo -both with Advanced Cloaking Device, Veteran Instincts, Intelligence Agent Omicron Group Shuttle -Darth Vader 99 points. On a more serious note I could use some advice/suggestions. I'm looking at tweaking the Kath + Phantom list I flew earlier. I've made some tweaks to it but I'm hitting a bit of a block. Here's what I've been toying with: Kath Scarlet -Veteran Instincts -Mangler Cannon -Proximity Mines -Engine Upgrade -Tactician Echo -Veteran Instincts -Advanced Cloaking Device -Advanced Sensors -Mara Jade I ditched the Flechette Torpedoes/Slave I since they never got used and traded Whisper out for Echo because I want to experiment with the unorthodox movement options Echo has on hand and also because I honestly never found the extra focus from Whisper's ability to be super useful against a (admittedly small and local) meta that seems to dig Autoblaster Turrets. Thing is, this is only 93 points. I mean, I guess I could just keep a huge bid for initiative but it feels like a bit of a waste. I could take the Andrasta title and load up on Proximity Mines I suppose.
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:I just got my IG-2000s in the mail today and I can't wait to play them. Planning on running B and D with Manglers, Autoblasters, Inertial Dampeners and...I'm not sure from there? I don't really feel like buying two A wings just for PTL.
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Kai Tave posted:I'm probably gonna be playing some X-Wing this Friday and I'm strongly tempted to run the following just for kicks: I'd ditch some of the stress triggering stuff and get some way to boost your actual damage output. Either predator/lonewolf and Gunner on Kath and FCS instead of AdSensors on Echo to free up his action for defense. Kath Pred Mangler Gunner Engine Echo VI AdCloak FCS Mara jade 6 points left Id say either assault missiles to keep swarmy Zs spread out or Cluster for a bigger alpha strike with kath. SEX HAVER 40000 posted:I just got my IG-2000s in the mail today and I can't wait to play them. Planning on running B and D with Manglers, Autoblasters, Inertial Dampeners and...I'm not sure from there? I don't really feel like buying two A wings just for PTL. Alt art PTL is in the spring kits. See if theres any local tournaments and you'll prob get one as a participation prize or someones unwanted old art version.
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zVxTeflon posted:I'd ditch some of the stress triggering stuff and get some way to boost your actual damage output. Either predator/lonewolf and Gunner on Kath and FCS instead of AdSensors on Echo to free up his action for defense. I totally forgot about FCS, that's actually a good suggestion...I found myself wishing that the Phantom had target lock capabilities when up against someone running Palob. I'll give it a try with Predator, Cluster Missiles, and Gunner and see how that shakes out. Man I wish I could take the K4 Security Droid with Imperial Kath.
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Right, finally got my second core set, as advised by you all. (currently looking at perhaps getting a Scum pack like the 'most wanted' one or something similar, so I have a reasonable enough selection for all three sides, but that's another matter) However, how do you all store all the ships, tokens, etc. from your various packs? Do you try to keep them segregated and stored in their individual boxes, or is there like, a container with lots of individual sections to store the different ships in, that someone such as myself could invest in? If this is the case - and if information on where I might procure one could be provided - I would greatly appreciate it; otherwise I can certainly see trying to sort/keep everything in their separate boxes becoming a bit of a headache..
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Major Isoor posted:Right, finally got my second core set, as advised by you all. (currently looking at perhaps getting a Scum pack like the 'most wanted' one or something similar, so I have a reasonable enough selection for all three sides, but that's another matter) However, how do you all store all the ships, tokens, etc. from your various packs? Do you try to keep them segregated and stored in their individual boxes, or is there like, a container with lots of individual sections to store the different ships in, that someone such as myself could invest in? http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Double-Cover-Tackle-Organizer/dp/B001ECQPVQ/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1432727533&sr=8-11&keywords=plano This case is an excellent starting point for most players, it has plenty of room for multiple copies of all the fighters and a few large vessels.
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Major Isoor posted:Right, finally got my second core set, as advised by you all. (currently looking at perhaps getting a Scum pack like the 'most wanted' one or something similar, so I have a reasonable enough selection for all three sides, but that's another matter) However, how do you all store all the ships, tokens, etc. from your various packs? Do you try to keep them segregated and stored in their individual boxes, or is there like, a container with lots of individual sections to store the different ships in, that someone such as myself could invest in? I use a tackle box for storage/transport. Doesn't look pretty, but it works just the same. The cards stay in bags and the tokens get split up between the various little compartments, along with all the fighters and bases.
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Recoome posted:Also lol if you the empire are the good guys, you'd have to be some tone-deaf retard who gets swayed by fancy uniforms and have a jackboot fetish, they are clearly the bad guys in the setting. The emperor is a rat bastard, sure, and his corruption has spread to the Moffs and Navy brass, but your front line Stormtroopers and TIE pilots are just kids who joined up with the only force for law and order in a galaxy where your next hyperjump is as likely to land you in the gunsights of a band of pirates or collateral damage from some reckless bounty hunter as not.
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Poopy Palpy posted:The emperor is a rat bastard, sure, and his corruption has spread to the Moffs and Navy brass, but your front line Stormtroopers and TIE pilots are just kids who joined up with the only force for law and order in a galaxy where your next hyperjump is as likely to land you in the gunsights of a band of pirates or collateral damage from some reckless bounty hunter as not. If we're going by the films, no, they're all British Space Nazis and that's that. If we're going by the EU, the Stormtroopers are still basically the SS, it's the Imperial Army/Navy rank and file who're just regular people. All this is ignoring the real reason to play Imperials, which is that no Rebel or Scum ship comes even remotely close to looking as good as the Interceptor. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 27, 2015 |
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Poopy Palpy posted:The emperor is a rat bastard, sure, and his corruption has spread to the Moffs and Navy brass, but your front line Stormtroopers and TIE pilots are just kids who joined up with the only force for law and order in a galaxy where your next hyperjump is as likely to land you in the gunsights of a band of pirates or collateral damage from some reckless bounty hunter as not. Local law enforcement =/= Imperial stormtroopers. Imperial stormtroopers and TIE pilots (and star destroyer crews, etc) aren't "only force for law and order", they're military outfits. This isn't joining the cops to support law and order, this is joining the military that pushes the local groups around. The Empire doesn't even attempt to hide that it uses fear and oppression to keep the populace in their rightful place, and joining the regime IS a choice to support that. Sure, you've got some kids that join to leave their small town or escape even WORSE home situations (I was one of those when I enlisted), but you can't pretend they didn't know what the Empire was when they put on the helmet. And hell yeah, TIE Interceptors are love.
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It's not much different than kids joining the U.S. military for college benefits and drop after a few years. A lot of people are still under illusions as to what our military even does and gladly even support it. In any case, if you have a lunch box you can easily fit your most commonly played list or tournament kit. I use iPhone boxes and small tins from various games to sort my tokens and chits. The rulers fit nicely and the black bag houses the falcon. The card game force of will has a sweet card with anime Jawas. 
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