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Wait...attacking people for running away, firing warning shots and pistol whipping are only NOW against the rules? Is this some kind of sick joke?
Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 26, 2015 |
# ? May 26, 2015 18:56 |
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# ? May 29, 2024 14:23 |
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Good Lord I'm so afraid of cops.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:07 |
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Agrajag posted:The fact that they approached an accident scene with guns drawn is retarded. He could have been hiding had a gun or a bomb or the goddamn Batman in that car. People just in vehicular accidents are prone to sudden spams extreme kung-fu. He was probably building up one hell of a super-hadoken in there. These cops are very brave heroes.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:12 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Wait...attacking people for running away, firing warning shots and pistol whipping are only NOW against the rules? Is this some kind of sick joke? "There are police agencies without a coherent use of force continuum and escalation/de-escalation policy?", I asked myself before realizing I knew the answer.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:12 |
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I found the CPD's current training video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvqYYJSv3I
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:14 |
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It's 2015 and we need the federal government to tell major municipal police departments not to pistol-whip people and pop off warning shots. At this point we should just make digging up and prosecuting police abuse into a massive public works project and kill two birds with one stone.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:33 |
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flakeloaf posted:"There are police agencies without a coherent use of force continuum and escalation/de-escalation policy?", I asked myself before realizing I knew the answer.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:43 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Over the years I have seen so many cops post on the internet about the importance of force escalation rules so I am wondering, are they all from police departments where that is actually practiced, or are those just their own personal convictions that their coworkers don't necessarily have? Many police departments serve predominantly white areas.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:47 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Wait...attacking people for running away, firing warning shots and pistol whipping are only NOW against the rules? Is this some kind of sick joke? So get rid of municipal cops and make all citizens "that want to be" auxiliary deputy sheriffs. Once everyone is a cop, it will be cops policing cops. Jails will empty and, the reported crime rate will drop.
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# ? May 26, 2015 19:50 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Over the years I have seen so many cops post on the internet about the importance of force escalation rules so I am wondering, are they all from police departments where that is actually practiced, or are those just their own personal convictions that their coworkers don't necessarily have? With respect to this issue, forces that have escalation rules and other similar practices foisted upon them by the DoJ are basically dodging civil rights lawsuits. What emerges are "consent decrees" like the one apparently being instated in Cleveland. According to The Crime Report, quote:Currently about 20 cities have entered into consent decrees or “memos of understanding” with the Department of Justice (DOJ), usually under threat of civil rights lawsuits filed by the DOJ if they refused. That being said, I am interested to know how many departments/agencies have established and effectively enforced their own escalation rules and other similar codes of conduct without the looming threat of a DoJ smackdown.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Over the years I have seen so many cops post on the internet about the importance of force escalation rules so I am wondering, are they all from police departments where that is actually practiced, or are those just their own personal convictions that their coworkers don't necessarily have? I was. It was this one: and it was an integral part of our use of force instruction program. I can't picture a coherent course that doesn't rely on a similar model to explain, generally: what one ought to do in any given situation; that your presence changes the situation; that verbal communication is something you should always be doing; and that both escalation and de-escalation are reasonable responses that should be strongly considered when the situation changes. What kind of force is "reasonably necessary" is a very fluid idea that can change very quickly depending on both the member's own actions as well as those of the subject. On top of all those pretty colours was the idea that you must always be able to justify the force you used with the knowledge you had at the time. If, for example, you started firing a weapon in the absence of the threat of death or GBH to someone, you are right and proper hosed. Models like this help UOF instructors and patrolmen explain to judges and inquests why they chose the force options they did. They give the member a way to better articulate what they did and why in an attempt to justify it; or if the act was clearly unjustifaible, they give the oversight agency something to beat you over the head with.
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Alligator Horse posted:That being said, I am interested to know how many departments/agencies have established and effectively enforced their own escalation rules and other similar codes of conduct without the looming threat of a DoJ smackdown. Huh...sounds almost like I'm talking about law enforcement itself.
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# ? May 26, 2015 20:20 |
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Cleveland police to stop hitting people on heads with guns as part of Justice Department agreement That article title! Its so funny but sad at the same time.
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# ? May 26, 2015 20:34 |
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Doctor Butts posted:Cleveland police to stop hitting people on heads with guns as part of Justice Department agreement Or how about this: quote:Workers who fix elevators in the city’s housing projects have been ordered to wear bright-orange vests by supervisors calling NYPD cops “trigger-happy,’’ sources told The Post. City workers having to wear reflective vests so that the cops don't mistake them for a housing resident and shoot them....
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Zelder posted:Good Lord I'm so afraid of cops. I'm a middle-class white man, and even I'm afraid of American cops in 2015. That oughta tell you something.
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# ? May 26, 2015 21:51 |
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In a darkened elevator shaft a man looks a lot like a deer, to a complete idiot anyway.
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# ? May 26, 2015 23:55 |
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nm posted:The pre-existing condition was having too much skin pigment. It is known to be fatal when you come into contact with assholes. If it was any other country, we'd be jumping up and down calling it "genocide."
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# ? May 27, 2015 00:35 |
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I guess every infographic has to choose some method of colorizing but man it made me laugh at the colors they chose for officer perception of"cooperative" and "grievous harm or death".
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reignofevil posted:I guess every infographic has to choose some method of colorizing but man it made me laugh at the colors they chose for officer perception of"cooperative" and "grievous harm or death". Somehow this makes me better understand why officers have such a hard time telling the difference between cooperation and causing grievous bodily harm...
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Bel Shazar posted:Somehow this makes me better understand why officers have such a hard time telling the difference between cooperation and causing grievous bodily harm...
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Bel Shazar posted:Somehow this makes me better understand why officers have such a hard time telling the difference between cooperation and causing grievous bodily harm... white = cooperative black = grievous bodily harm or death I think I understand the problem now...
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:14 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/26/america-cannot-lock-its-poor-in-debtors-prisons-to-fund-its-police-departments http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/its-sinister-were-locking-poor-people-debtors-prisons-fund-police-depts quote:America cannot lock its poor in debtor's prisons to fund its police departments Hey man can I bum a nickel? How about 5 years of free labor out of your lifespan?
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# ? May 27, 2015 02:17 |
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lol, america has debtors prisons. what a shithole.
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FRINGE posted:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/26/america-cannot-lock-its-poor-in-debtors-prisons-to-fund-its-police-departments I question the validity of the claim made in the title of the article, because many municipalities and indeed some states are doing just that, and have been for many years quite successfully.
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Powercrazy posted:I question the validity of the claim made in the title of the article, because many municipalities and indeed some states are doing just that, and have been for many years quite successfully.
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Imposing a fine on someone when you know drat well he can't pay it, fully intending to have the poor bastard wind up in a for-profit prison that just happens to have a contract with the state doing the sentencing is cruel and inhuman and capricious and terrible. Hoofing down someone's door and dragging them off to jail for a loving parking ticket is... I don't even know what to call that. Driving without insurance is a great way to permanently screw over an innocent person and leave them without the means to feed themselves. That's why Ontario sets the minimum fine for doing that at $5000 (which works out to about $7500 after the victims services surcharge and court costs), plus a license suspension and short impound period. That's a minimum, off-the-top, gently caress-you fine for an absolute liability offense that is ridiculously easy to prove. I've seen dozens of people charged with it, I've laid that charge myself more than once, and I've seen exactly zero people actually be assessed that fine because they were all too broke to even have insurance and fining someone who is already indigent for half of their gross annual income isn't going to advance the cause of justice any. Instead, what most sane JPs do is impose a conditional or suspended sentence, or reduce the minimum fine with an exceptional circumstances exemption, which could include a short sentence of incarceration in lieu of other penalties. If you're not working anyway, seven to ten weekends in jail (half of which you might not even serve if they're full when you get there) is a drat sight easier to pay than $7K but it still sucks enough to make you not want to do it again. Do traffic court judges in the states not ask their recently-minted convicts if they have time or the means to pay? edit: Speaking of expensive insurance, [quote=" CBC Ottawa @CBCOttawa · 1h 1 hour ago "]1 male driver, 21, fined $1,343 and hit for 18 demerit points after travelling 165 km/h on 80 km/h Eardley Rd.[/quote] My one regret is never having written a stunt driving ticket because the chance to do that is literally better than Christmas for an eight year old. A license only has fifteen points on it, which means if convicted he'll be suspended in a way that only the Minister can fix. Also because he was stunt driving, his car's impounded for a week, he's suspended again for seven days (and up to two years if convicted), and he's looking at a minimum $2000 fine over and above the $1,343 in fines for whatever else he got lit up for. And even after all of that's over, he's a 21 year old male with charges for stunt driving and excessive speeding on his abstract, which means his insurance is going to be astronomical. And unlike judges, they do not give a tinker's drat whether he can afford it or not. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 27, 2015 |
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flakeloaf posted:Do traffic court judges in the states not ask their recently-minted convicts if they have time or the means to pay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto (Here's the embed, as, gently caress off youtube, let me copy the drat url) This should answer your question.
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flakeloaf posted:Do traffic court judges in the states not ask their recently-minted convicts if they have time or the means to pay? Only if they're already very wealthy quote:But the district attorney told the Vail Daily that the decision to drop the felony charges against Hurlbert was also based on the possible effects on his income-earning ability and, therefore, his ability to pay restitution.
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The justice system is such a joke.
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# ? May 27, 2015 13:58 |
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That's actually a very clever move by an astute judge: The guy hurt somebody, that somebody's going to need millions of dollars in health care and support, and that's the sort of thing that should have immediate, relevant consequences that will follow him forever. A felony charge against wealthy white man with a team of well-heeled lawyers isn't going to amount to dickall because the justice system for his class of people is a joke and the judge knows it, but two slam-dunk traffic offenses will put a permanent mark on the guy and establish the guilt needed to bootstrap the poor victim's civil suit. In one move the judge ensured that he'd face some kind of punishment and handed the victim an unbeatable hand that would literally guarantee an out of court settlement that will take care of him. If ever I have the good fortune to become a JP, I should hope to have that gift of insight. e: It would of course be better if the guy did ten years for criminal negligence and fleeing the scene, but if a gaggle of white bankers can defraud an entire planet with a lending scheme and not even hear the click of handcuffs you can be pretty sure that running over some schmuck on a bicycle isn't going to amount to anything. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 14:04 on May 27, 2015 |
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The problem isn't really that the rich don't have their lives destroyed, it's that the poor do. On an emotional level it might be satisfying to see the privileged broken down, but overwhelming reformers don't want the rich to suffer more - we want the rest of the world to enjoy the same consideration and respect from the justice system as well.
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# ? May 27, 2015 14:41 |
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flakeloaf posted:Do traffic court judges in the states not ask their recently-minted convicts if they have time or the means to pay? Our justice system doesn't give a poo poo if you can pay or not. That's part of why it's so bonkers and why the comparison to debtor's prison is there. This is also the nation that has a raging hardon for levying any fee they possibly can on people that are broke while deliberately trapping them in systems they can never escape. It's on the same level of payday loans; the poor absolutely and positively cannot get unpoor. The system is set up that way. Every year the price of literally everything goes up but the poor are told they just have to make do somehow. "Making do" generally involves things that are living on borrowed time. Can't afford car insurance? Well you still need to get to work somehow and lol you expected us to have mass transit that's a good one. Can't afford to get your car inspected and reregistered? Well hope that a cop doesn't see you that's hundreds to thousands in fines you won't ever be able to pay. If you don't pay them you don't get to drive anymore. Oh you need to drive to get to your job? Tough poo poo poor, you should have thought of that when you chose to be poor.
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flakeloaf posted:That's actually a very clever move by an astute judge: The guy hurt somebody, that somebody's going to need millions of dollars in health care and support, and that's the sort of thing that should have immediate, relevant consequences that will follow him forever. A felony charge against wealthy white man with a team of well-heeled lawyers isn't going to amount to dickall because the justice system for his class of people is a joke and the judge knows it, but two slam-dunk traffic offenses will put a permanent mark on the guy and establish the guilt needed to bootstrap the poor victim's civil suit. In one move the judge ensured that he'd face some kind of punishment and handed the victim an unbeatable hand that would literally guarantee an out of court settlement that will take care of him. If ever I have the good fortune to become a JP, I should hope to have that gift of insight. Also, if it is like CA, they get a restitution order as part of the sentence which is non-discharchable by bankruptcy.
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/587596/judge-wont-seal-photo-cpd-cops-posing-african-american-man-antlers Chicago police pose with black man wearing antlers as if he was a hunting trophy.
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Buried deep in that article are some real gems: quote:In his closing arguments at the police board hearing, Herbert emphasized the lack of information about where and when the photo was taken — and the mystery surrounding the African-American man’s identity.
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Its those drat cameras "making" cops look bad again! http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/body-cam-video-catches-barstow-cops-slamming-black-pregnant-woman-to-ground-letting-white-woman-go-free/ quote:Body cam video catches Barstow cops slamming black pregnant woman to ground, letting white woman go free Sometimes after a hard day of hero work you just need to let off some steam, you know? http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-wives-girlfriends-double-national-rate-receive-promotions/ quote:Cops Beat Their Wives & Girlfriends At Double The National Rate, Still Receive Promotions So battered cop-spouses, like raped prostitutes, have to "just deal with it" because the heroes are right and if you say otherwise "who knows what might happen". quote:An example of this tendency to cover up domestic police abuse can be seen in the case of Jeremy Yachik. This monster beat and tortured his daughter for years. His girlfriend even filmed the abuse with her cellphone and brought the footage to the police department that Yachik worked for.
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# ? May 28, 2015 02:48 |
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KomradeX posted:http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/587596/judge-wont-seal-photo-cpd-cops-posing-african-american-man-antlers "Even though police Supt. Garry McCarthy moved to fire McDermott, attorneys for the police department and McDermott both asked Judge Thomas Allen to keep the photo under seal earlier this year. They said they wanted to protect the privacy of the unidentified African-American man. Allen denied their request in March. The Sun-Times recently obtained a copy of the photo in the court file." loving lmao
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# ? May 28, 2015 04:49 |
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Nebraska just got rid of the death penalty. quote:LINCOLN, Neb. — Nebraska on Wednesday became the first conservative state in more than 40 years to abolish the death penalty, with lawmakers defying their Republican governor, Pete Ricketts, a staunch supporter of capital punishment who had lobbied vigorously against banning it. Profiles of the 10 on Nebraska's death row right now: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nebraska-death-row-who-are-10-inmates-affected-repeal-n365681
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Anora posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto Holy poo poo, thank gently caress I don't live in America... god drat I can't get over how hosed up that system is.
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Agrajag posted:Holy poo poo, thank gently caress I don't live in America... god drat I can't get over how hosed up that system is. Are you new to the whole "learning things about America" game? This is par for the course, not much different than everything else in this thread.
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