Eimi posted:XIV's story doesn't really get good The biggest redeeming features of the ffxiv storyline are 1) they lead you to all of these neat referential fights like gilgamesh on a big bridge and the primals and all of that, and 2) you only have to do it once. The thing that turns a lot of people off in ffxiv is that it starts out assuming you know nothing about MMOs, and the early to mid content is designed around that premise. If you're a regular poster in the mmo hmo, you have problems and know all about threat and how the tank-healer-dps thing works and what dungeons are and all of that poo poo, so it's got a start like molasses, but once you get to the end of the game the rotations are actually fairly involved just because of the poo poo you do between GCDs and, in some cases, actually using the correct ability instead of completely loving your rotation (BLM, gently caress you transpose  ) and the fights have enough complexity to keep veteran wow raiders happy.Granted, a slow start really is a big problem with a game. The beginning of a song of fire and ice is why I could never get into the game of thrones books, so it didn't really matter if all the cool stuff after was amazing if your start is so slow that people just can't get through it.
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A part of me wants to see Wildstar become successful only to witness what retarded timesink raid mechanics they would come up with. I remember hearing about FF11's Absolute Virtue raids taking ~18 hours and people were getting physically ill. That's what I want to see again.
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May 26, 2015 20:22
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I want Wildstar to survive under this same mindset for that exact reason, but I don't necessarily want it to be "successful" as far as the industry (aka shareholders) define the term because that would just mean more MMOs like Wildstar. One is enough.
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May 26, 2015 20:23
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Mayor McCheese posted:I remember hearing about FF11's Absolute Virtue raids taking ~18 hours and people were getting physically ill. how is this loving legal
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May 26, 2015 20:47
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It was technically the result of a bug and players weren't supposed to be able to fight Absolute Virtue yet. But once it started happening, they couldn't/wouldn't admit to the bug that let players fight AV, so they just let it go on... Sounds kind of familiar, actually...
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May 26, 2015 20:50
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I want Wildstar to succeed because I like "sci-fi wow" and the cartoony aesthetic and would waste time on this game if they ever fix the developers attitudes. I've been playing Rift lately and, is it just me, or is Rift basically what Wildstar wanted to be in terms of difficulty but better? There's always stuff for casual players to do but even their new version of LFR has one-hit-kill mechanics.
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May 26, 2015 21:07
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Dang, with all the new replies itt I thought they finally dropped to F2P. I am disappointed.
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May 26, 2015 21:10
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This is still better than the actual FFXIV thread, where people cry about how preview trailers are full of spoilers.
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May 26, 2015 21:22
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Xavier434 posted:I want Wildstar to survive under this same mindset for that exact reason, but I don't necessarily want it to be "successful" as far as the industry (aka shareholders) define the term because that would just mean more MMOs like Wildstar. One is enough. We need a game like Wildstar to survive solely to be a holding pen for grognard developers and the players like them. If it shuts down those devs are just going to move on to make more terrible games.
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May 26, 2015 21:29
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cthulhoo posted:how is this loving legal It was a long story, and not entirely the result of a bug. Basically AV was released with a super secret kill strat. But this is SE circa 2006-7~ so if they changed a fundamental aspect of your class the patch notes would read 'X class has been adjusted, please look forward to it." Vagueness was an artform. At least on my server we fought AV for around that much time, but it wasn't just our guild, it was a big enough deal we brought in some others to help rotate when we ran out of max level jobs (you could delevel) or just had to sleep. Eventually a method to kill AV was found where you glitched it so it didn't do any moves and you just wailed on it.  I did hear that SE eventually revealed the 'legit' way to beat it, like 5 years after it was relevant content.
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May 26, 2015 21:38
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Eimi posted:I did hear that SE eventually revealed the 'legit' way to beat it, like 5 years after it was relevant content. it was a youtube video that was ridiculously vague and mostly pictures of the combat log of people using 2 hour abilities the "legit" way was that if you cast the same 2-hour it was then it would interrupt and lock that 2-hour temporarily. so instead of hoping it doesn't use benediction you just hope it doesn't use it too much.
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May 26, 2015 21:40
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Is WoW really that big of a train wreck right now? I quit after the first raid tier of WoD out of boredom but now it looks like you got dudes still yelling about wanting WoD flying saying they are the playerbase majority alongside a bunch of people yelling at Blizzard because they want a Vanilla WoW server for some loving reason also claiming they are the playerbase majority.
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May 26, 2015 21:46
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there's nothing to do at max level but raid or play facebook games the flying thing is a Hot Button Issue for some reason but it's not why wow is really terrible atm
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May 26, 2015 21:47
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there's literally nowhere to fly so yeah, who cares
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if i could merely hover 420 miles above the ground doing nothing wod would be so much better than being on the ground doing nothing. alas
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May 26, 2015 21:51
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well at least i would stare on my super duper rare flying mounts rear end while doing nothing its the little things e: garrison complete lack of customization is really lol worthy, i'm having way too much fun in swtor with my imaginary house, this is pretty much my loving endgame atm  me irl cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 21:54 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 21:51
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Calls for a classic server have started in WoW? That's when you know something is wrong and set off the alarms. If people want to play the objectively worse game they remember over the game you currently provide, there's a problem. Just look at EQ. The first calls for retro servers started just after PoP got old...
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May 26, 2015 21:54
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I played on WoW vanilla server once for about a minute. Made a Rogue, hit a level 1 mob, saw "your dagger skill increased to 1" and all the horrible memories came flooding back. Never again.
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May 26, 2015 21:57
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if you consider grognards whining for a classic server a sign the game has fallen then you better be prepared to revert every game back to it's first incarnation there's people who pine for ffxiv 1.0 for christ's sake
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May 26, 2015 21:58
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nerd nostalgia for poo poo ancient obtuse games is sickening
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May 26, 2015 21:59
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a lot of it is "loving game's too easy now and more people can play it" which is a mentalism i don't loving get at all
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e: disregard, there's a better thread for that
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May 26, 2015 22:03
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Yeah this definitely sounds like some loud people on the internet making themselves sound like they represent a lot more people than they actually do.
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May 26, 2015 22:04
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sword_man.gif posted:there's people who pine for ffxiv 1.0 for christ's sake Excuse me while I go to the corner to weep for humanity.
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May 26, 2015 22:04
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cthulhoo posted:there's literally nowhere to fly so yeah, who cares You could fly from your garrison craft huts to the loving mission board. I'm so glad I quit this loving expansion before I got invested past the first raid tier.
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May 26, 2015 22:09
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People have been demanding classic World of Warcraft servers since the game moved on from classic to Burning Crusade. I wonder how many people would actually play officially sanctioned classic servers all the way through to the hard and grindy content. My guess is a tiny number, since it's such a inaccessible, dated, and niche product. But enough about Wildstar... 
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sword_man.gif posted:a lot of it is "loving game's too easy now and more people can play it" which is a mentalism i don't loving get at all While they have no mythics done and barely any heroic bosses killed.
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May 26, 2015 22:21
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sword_man.gif posted:there's nothing to do at max level but raid or play facebook games More or less. Flying is merely a symptom of the problem, and that problem is that WoW is an understaffed game with a dreadful dearth of current content. Raiders tell me that the Raids out right now are some of the best in the game's history, but they also tell me that they have no reason to log on anymore EXCEPT to raid. As this thread has proven an MMO who can only provide raiding content is on the way out, at least Blizzard is rattling on about cupcakes and talking about how HARDCORE they are.
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Roflan posted:Calls for a classic server have started in WoW? That's when you know something is wrong and set off the alarms. If people want to play the objectively worse game they remember over the game you currently provide, there's a problem. Just look at EQ. The first calls for retro servers started just after PoP got old...
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quote:WoW is an understaffed game wrong. they're very lazy, not understaffed. but putting forth that content is so hard to make you guys gets people defending them, so it goes
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May 26, 2015 22:42
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Isn't WoW's codebase pretty much incomprehensible to anyone without a degree in quantum physics? I imagine that might contribute somewhat to their ridiculous development times. Of course I can't imagine Wildstar's code is much better. In fact I bet it looks pretty similar since a bunch of WoW's devs helped make it.
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May 26, 2015 23:15
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WoW's coding is a mess; the game is partially controlled by killing invisible bunnies. No joke. But it has the excuse of being built on a very dated engine as well as being a decade old. Wildstar, being a 2014 release, has no such excuses.
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May 26, 2015 23:23
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FFXIV is like WOW and therefore it is the second-best MMO out there, after WOW. Parts of Guild Wars 2 are cool too but it's not as good as WOW because I really like raiding and item progression. Wildstar could have been good if they had based it on 2014 WOW instead of 2004 WOW. Basically I like WOW. But what I really wish is for The Secret World to have been good and taken off.
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May 26, 2015 23:25
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Secret World had fantastic dungeons.
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Mizuti posted:WoW's coding is a mess; the game is partially controlled by killing invisible bunnies. No joke. And this is the AAA, super-polished big boy of the MMO industry. Pierson posted:Secret World had fantastic dungeons.
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I'm p. convinced that even if Wildstar becomes a decent game, the fanbase is going to discourage people from trying it again. "Hey, I hear Wildstar implemented some cool changes, I should see what they are. Better load up the official forums and check the active threads." quote:Took the words right out of my mouth. We're playing a game here, not waiting for our allowances. GO PLAY! Why keep, not only yourself, but everyone around you miserable with incessant complaints of, "they won't give me stuff," rather than playing the game to get the stuff. quote:Yeah, we're in the "No Child Left Behind" era. quote:If the game turns into a casual handout of progression then I feel zero desire to stay for the next few years. It's not saving the game, it's giving it some painkillers before it finally croaks. It is a diamond in the rough and you wanna turn it into another rock. quote:Nothing I'm saying is remotely deceitful. I'm countering the claim that Carbine was focused on hardcore content to the exclusion of casuals. Leveling is content.
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May 27, 2015 00:11
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Pierson posted:Secret World had fantastic dungeons. Seriously. It's too bad the basic gameplay is a bit clunky and both the dungeons and abilities are imbalanced as hell. Story, atmosphere and almost complete lack of pointless trash was very welcome.
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May 27, 2015 00:15
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Asimo posted:I really, really wanted to like Secret World, but I couldn't even get past the tutorial. I'm not even sure why, it isn't even bad, just... super dull gameplay. I had fun until I got to the first instance that required doing a jumping puzzle and then I noped out. The only MMO with decent jumping puzzles is GW2, trying to jump around like an idiot in Secret World felt super sluggish.
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Well the problem with TSW was that the UI was poo poo and the game was buggier than Wildstar and (while I'm not an expert) I'm pretty sure the combat mechanics regardless of build were all distilled down to "get 5 combo points and use a finisher". The world and the quests and the atmosphere were all top tier though.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:I'm p. convinced that even if Wildstar becomes a decent game, the fanbase is going to discourage people from trying it again. I'm going to miss quotes like this when this game inevitably gets tossed on NCSoft's big pile of shutdown MMOs.
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