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More from the Bernie rallyquote:It turns out that ice cream is ILLEGAL in this context unless it is reported as a campaign donation to the FEC. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/may/27/politics-rand-paul-santorum-clinton-fiorina#block-5565f34fe4b04f693964a963  BENANDJERRY-gate
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Tobermory posted:It's overly facile to claim that Iraq's $32 million order of 20 AAQ-33 Sniper Aircraft EO systems in 2012 is evidence of bribery, while their $180 million order of 378 Cougar APCs in 2006 is not. Apologies for the facile question, but were both the purchaser and the producer giving money directly to the spouse of someone with approval authority in 2006?
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May 27, 2015 18:10
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Apologies for the facile question, but were both the purchaser and the producer giving money directly to the spouse of someone with approval authority in 2006? I'm pretty sure General Dynamics has no problem giving money directly the person with approval authority or do you not know how hosed up military procurement is?
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May 27, 2015 18:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I'm pretty sure General Dynamics has no problem giving money directly the person with approval authority So did they do that?
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May 27, 2015 18:21
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You owe it to yourself to go listen to the Santorum theme song. It is very 
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May 27, 2015 18:26
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Arkane posted:So did they do that? Some light googling shows that they were busted for bribing the SK PM in the 80s but the current crop of complaints are mainly fraud and selling classified poo poo to the wrong people. Also I was slightly wrong and the company that makes the Cougar was acquired by GD in 2011. Before that they were somehow getting government contracts despite being unable to meet contract deadlines and supplying flawed equipment. e: Also  at you pretending that the Bush era military procurement wasn't full of bribes and other shady poo poo
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May 27, 2015 18:35
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Marco Rubio making it clear once again that he's not going for the Only Sane Man gambit.Not Gonna Be President Don't Worry posted:If you think about it, we are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech, because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater. After they are done going after individuals, the next step is to argue that the teachings of mainstream Christianity, the catechism of the Catholic Church, is hate speech and there’s a real and present danger.
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May 27, 2015 18:37
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Frothy is IN! http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_rick_santorum_says_he_s_running_for_president?recruiter_id=2
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May 27, 2015 18:47
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Marco Rubio making it clear once again that he's not going for the Only Sane Man gambit. quote:there's a real and present danger He really loves using that phrase.
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May 27, 2015 18:47
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Here watch me do Arkane's gimmick better than him. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/27/corrupt-fifa-has-clinton-foundation-ties-world-cup-host-qatar-gave-millions.html quote:Both Bill Clinton and his family’s charity have been tied to soccer’s governing body, as well as Qatar’s disastrous World Cup bid. Now lets all laugh at the minor embarrassment this will end up being for Hillary's campaign.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Some light googling shows that they were busted for bribing the SK PM in the 80s but the current crop of complaints are mainly fraud and selling classified poo poo to the wrong people. Also I was slightly wrong and the company that makes the Cougar was acquired by GD in 2011. Before that they were somehow getting government contracts despite being unable to meet contract deadlines and supplying flawed equipment. So even though there's a direct, documented money trail with Hillary, your defense is that it's not wrong because you somehow "just know" everyone else is doing it/has done it. Is this an example of a non-facile argument, because maybe I don't fully understand the word.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Marco Rubio making it clear once again that he's not going for the Only Sane Man gambit. Shocking proof of Marco Rubio's wife disobeying the bible:  2 Timothy: 9 - 10 posted:I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. When will Mrs. Rubio be punished for this anti-Christian transgression?
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May 27, 2015 18:51
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So even though there's a direct, documented money trail with Hillary, your defense is that it's not wrong because you somehow "just know" everyone else is doing it/has done it. Please prove that the money given to the Clinton foundation was for getting State's approval on an arms deal the pentagon put together.
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May 27, 2015 18:52
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Honestly this is the biggest loving problem with Hillary's campaign, she and Bill just can't help themselves from doing things that are superficially sketchy but when you dig past the scrapes fox news et al have done its ultimately nothing and why its not a big deal can't be explained easily.
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May 27, 2015 18:55
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my bony fealty posted:Shocking proof of Marco Rubio's wife disobeying the bible: Surprise! Someone who harps on following the Bible a lot is one who does so the least.
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May 27, 2015 18:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Please prove that the money given to the Clinton foundation was for getting State's approval on an arms deal the pentagon put together. lol First of all, if you read the article you'll see the money was given both to the foundation and to Bill *personally*. Secondly, behold the liberal version of climate change deniers. M-maybe the Clintons raked in nine figures because of natural sunspot activity? HOW CAN YOU PROVE A THEORY
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May 27, 2015 18:59
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honestly this is the biggest loving problem with Hillary's campaign, she and Bill just can't help themselves from doing things that are superficially sketchy but when you dig past the scrapes fox news et al have done its ultimately nothing and why its not a big deal can't be explained easily. Politicians ought to be held to a higher standard. I don't think there is anything damning about this Clinton Foundation nonsense than any other damning thing a politician might engage in, but it smacks of arrogance or stupidity (or both). That they "can't help themselves" is the bigger issue than any of the Whitewater/Foster level bullshit the righties trot out. It shows they lack judgment and critical thinking skills. And by "they" I mean the rightwing conspiracy theorists and the Clintons both.
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May 27, 2015 18:59
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TheDisreputableDog posted:lol You made the accusation; the onus is on you to provide proof. Any rear end in a top hat can throw bombs then moonwalk out.
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May 27, 2015 18:59
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TheDisreputableDog posted:lol Are you really going to pretend that the US won't sell weapons to anyone or anything with a pulse.
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Alter Ego posted:You made the accusation; the onus is on you to provide proof. Any rear end in a top hat can throw bombs then moonwalk out. No see the fat IT guy posting when work is slow HAS to complete a federal corruption investigation in his downtime!
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May 27, 2015 19:01
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Are you really going to pretend that the US won't sell weapons to anyone or anything with a pulse. Well we're not Swedes, we do have some standards!
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Alter Ego posted:You made the accusation; the onus is on you to provide proof. Any rear end in a top hat can throw bombs then moonwalk out. You're giving assholes a lot of credit. Not just anyone can moonwalk.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honestly this is the biggest loving problem with Hillary's campaign, she and Bill just can't help themselves from doing things that are superficially sketchy but when you dig past the scrapes fox news et al have done its ultimately nothing and why its not a big deal can't be explained easily. Can I get a yes or no to these...do you think that using only private email, and deleting half of those emails is only superficially sketchy? How about accepting large cash payments from multiple companies over the past couple of years that could present large conflicts of interest? Not donations, mind you, actual money that goes into her bank account. This is only superficially sketchy? Just Fox News agitprop?
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Arkane posted:Can I get a yes or no to these...do you think that using only private email, and deleting half of those emails is only superficially sketchy? How about accepting large cash payments from multiple companies over the past couple of years that could present large conflicts of interest? Not donations, mind you, actual money that goes into her bank account. This is only superficially sketchy? Just Fox News agitprop? Seeing as its been shown time and time again to be stupid bullshit, and as such the definition of superficial, yes.
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RZApublican posted:She's an Anarcho-Syndicalist? If you are a real anarcho-syndicalist, you won't be voting Rand Paul antime soon, unless you are dumb. It's not like Sanders would be a perfect fit or anything, but still.
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Feather posted:Politicians ought to be held to a higher standard. I don't think there is anything damning about this Clinton Foundation nonsense than any other damning thing a politician might engage in, but it smacks of arrogance or stupidity (or both). That they "can't help themselves" is the bigger issue than any of the Whitewater/Foster level bullshit the righties trot out. It shows they lack judgment and critical thinking skills. And by "they" I mean the rightwing conspiracy theorists and the Clintons both. There is a literal billion dollar industry focused on making literally anything the Clintons do or don't do look bad, look arrogant, etc. The "avoid the appearance of evil" argument doesnt apply for them because anything at all they do will be made to look bad, including raising money to help sick African children. The error in judgment comes when you listen to any of it. Clicking on fox news links or fox news type stories just makes you actively more stupid. Like meth, right wing media is a not-even-once.
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It's funny to see the party that brought us Dick "Halliburton" Cheney and the era of massive wasteful no-bid contracts complain about supposed cronyism.
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I agree with Arkane. At the very least, Clinton's actions created the appearance of impropriety. As a result, I am now switching my vote from Hillary to Marco Rubio.
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Gravel Gravy posted:America doesn't eat much fiber. It will never get old, does it?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is a literal billion dollar industry focused on making literally anything the Clintons do or don't do look bad, look arrogant, etc. The "avoid the appearance of evil" argument doesnt apply for them because anything at all they do will be made to look bad, including raising money to help sick African children. OTOH, the Clinton hate machine did manage to sink Huckabee's national aspirations back in the 90s by accident.
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George Pataki, the former Republican governor of NY, is also announcing that he's running tomorrow. I really have no idea what his strategy is supposed to be. The crazy train is already full.
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I was too young to really follow politics in the 90s, is this what we have to look forward to for the next nine years? Endless insinuation and half-baked "follow the money" conspiracies? It;s kind of interesting that each of these accusations so far have been about twice as scandalous as it'd take to sink a regular candidate (close a bridge? How about accepting bribes as secretary of state???) but only need half as much evidence to get traction since people seem willing to believe anything could be true of the Clintons. Oh, and none of the impact, since at least in the primary all these would-be scandals have amounted to a wet fart. Almost seems like they're wasting their ammunition, since it's not like any of this is enough to derail Hillary from getting the nomination. Shouldn't they wait for the general election before trying this, to avoid outrage fatigue setting in early?
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Arkane posted:Can I get a yes or no to these...do you think that using only private email, and deleting half of those emails is only superficially sketchy? How about accepting large cash payments from multiple companies over the past couple of years that could present large conflicts of interest? Not donations, mind you, actual money that goes into her bank account. This is only superficially sketchy? Just Fox News agitprop? Sounds like your standard party hack bullshit to me. And honestly? I'll take party hack bullshit over a thousand years of Christian Taliban darkness that every single loving one of the clowns on the other side would usher in if elected. Dolash posted:Almost seems like they're wasting their ammunition, since it's not like any of this is enough to derail Hillary from getting the nomination. Shouldn't they wait for the general election before trying this, to avoid outrage fatigue setting in early? Why, it's almost like the Clinton-deranged have no sense of politics, time, or propriety. 
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Dolash posted:I was too young to really follow politics in the 90s, is this what we have to look forward to for the next nine years? Endless insinuation and half-baked "follow the money" conspiracies? Don't forget about calling someone you don't agree with politically a "fat IT guy". Let's not gloss over the true entertainment here.
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Official Rick Santorum for President Theme Song
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honestly this is the biggest loving problem with Hillary's campaign, she and Bill just can't help themselves from doing things that are superficially sketchy but when you dig past the scrapes fox news et al have done its ultimately nothing and why its not a big deal can't be explained easily. They are like Uber. They are breaking the understood standard of law, but have managed to pull the song and dance bullshit that makes everyone hate lawyers to put themselves in a position where it isn't permissible for you to nail their ears to the wall. Everyone knows that Uber is a service and this should adhere to the ADA, but they are finagling that as a technology company they don't have to, and will probably find a judge willing to side with them in defiance of common loving sense. Everyone knows that Clinton was using the email server to dodge public records requirements just like every other politician does, but they are arguing that they split the circulation lists finely enough that they can claim it was justified, and by the time we get down to the deep deep bottom of it we will probably find that they did manage to keep it so anything in the server was a private deal even if it had direct public implications (eg Blumenthal dispatches). If doesn't change the fact that in both cases it's complete bullshit to get around the rules everyone else has to play by. And more importantly it isn't going to stop the nuts from taking every limit pushing the Clintons do and turn it into an insane conspiracy theory that will completely obscure the fact that yeah, these assholes are making GBS threads in the spirit of he law. But never mind the clear cut example of elite hubris, we need to tell you how Hillary is a lesbian who murdered Vince Foster, and besides there is nothing wrong with elite hubris the problem is the Clintons are murderous traitors not elites they have no business being the White House, that should be Bush in there! Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 27, 2015 |
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