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to get a sense of the drama that would entail, check out what happened when Kasparov made his own chess federation because FIDE is almost as bad as FIFA and that was chess, the least passionate activity this side of literal nit picking
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Some dumb poo poo I know claims that since FIFA is a private company it can claim all this is legit business and get away with it (Guy's a 1000% cynic, still bitches though). I feel that his poo poo is dumb, but know gently caress all about how orgs like FIFA are treated. Assuming this isn't done the Russian way is there any way they could get out of this? Are they bound by international law wrt bribes, etc?
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May 28, 2015 01:51
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School Nickname posted:Some dumb poo poo I know claims that since FIFA is a private company it can claim all this is legit business and get away with it (Guy's a 1000% cynic, still bitches though). I feel that his poo poo is dumb, but know gently caress all about how orgs like FIFA are treated. The justice dept. lawyers are not dudes in a bar. Federal prosecutors have a 93% conviction rate, and are promoted based on conviction rate. They don't bring charges unless they already have every single i dotted and t crossed.
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May 28, 2015 02:17
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Yeah, this isn't like when the SEC files a civil suit against a company and it gets dragged out and eventually there's a meager settlement to make it go away. If the DOJ is filing charges you are fuuuuuuuucked.
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May 28, 2015 02:22
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Yeah, this isn't like when the SEC files a civil suit against a company. If the DOJ is filing charges you are fuuuuuuuucked. Yeah but these aren't just any defendants. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of these settled with large fines and no jail time.
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May 28, 2015 02:23
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Another element here is that these are Europeans facing american jail sentences. Criminal, not civil. They'll plead out but even their pleas will be more severe sentences than anything they would face in Europe.
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May 28, 2015 02:25
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With the DOJ 93% conviction number what percentage of the cases are from relatively small time people who have no chance against the federal prosecutors versus the conviction rate against the super-rich?
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May 28, 2015 02:26
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So who besides Barry Bonds beat the charges in the recent spat of DOJ sports crimes they seem to love to prosecute?
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May 28, 2015 02:28
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^^^ bonds only won on appeal, the DOJ won the first case at leastBip Roberts posted:With the DOJ 93% conviction number what percentage of the cases are from relatively small time people who have no chance against the federal prosecutors versus the conviction rate against the super-rich? The higher up you go the higher the conviction rate because no one wants to bungle a high profile case. Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 02:32 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 02:29
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Bip Roberts posted:So who besides Barry Bonds beat the charges in the recent spat of DOJ sports crimes they seem to love to prosecute? Roger Clemens
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May 28, 2015 02:30
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Imagine if half the NFL took their ball and left, stopped playing against the other half, and also couldn't be on TV. They'd still be able to play football, using NFL rules, but they just couldn't call themselves the NFL. Like the NFC could absolutely split from the NFL and continue to play each other, and negotiate their own broadcast rights etc. The NFL couldn't do poo poo (except sue for breech of contract) but if the DoJ currently had them over a barrel, I don't think that case is going anywhere anytime soon.
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May 28, 2015 02:34
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Bip Roberts posted:With the DOJ conviction number what percentage of the cases are from relatively small time people who have no chance against the federal prosecutors versus the conviction rate against the super-rich? Fairly high since the DOJ only goes after small fish to get the big fish. Also, RICO is specifically constructed to nail the balls of the very rich, powerful, and connected to the wall with the only time anyone really escaped a RICO charge being John Gotti via jury tampering in 87.
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May 28, 2015 02:38
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A Winner is Jew posted:Fairly high since the DOJ only goes after small fish to get the big fish. Also, RICO is specifically constructed to nail the balls of the very rich, powerful, and connected to the wall with the only time anyone really escaped a RICO charge being John Gotti via jury tampering in 87. Hell's Angels in the early 80's was also a pretty spectacularly failed prosecution. http://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/26/us/prosecution-of-hells-angels-is-dropped-after-2d-mistrial.html Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 02:41
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Hell's Angels in the early 80's was also a pretty spectacularly failed prosecution. Well yeah, but that case was laughably inept.
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May 28, 2015 02:44
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A Winner is Jew posted:Well yeah, but that case was laughably inept. Hopefully FIFA's ineptitude isn't contagious.
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May 28, 2015 02:45
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Xandu posted:Yeah but these aren't just any defendants. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of these settled with large fines and no jail time. Let's put it this way, actual American police departments have been convicted under RICO, if they can't expect to beat the charge, no one really can. These guys probably have the best lawyers in the world on speed dial and at least 4 of them have already plead guilty
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May 28, 2015 02:47
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I'm obscenely pleased that the United States is helping solve a problem for the world in a manner that doesn't involve dropping bombs on something. 
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May 28, 2015 02:48
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mikemil828 posted:Let's put it this way, actual American police departments have been convicted under RICO, if they can't expect to beat the charge, no one really can. These guys probably have the best lawyers in the world on speed dial and at least 4 of them have already plead guilty Pled guilty and got fined. We'll see, I don't doubt the government's capabilities here, just not sure how far it wants to go in making an example of them.
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May 28, 2015 02:50
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Xandu posted:Pled guilty and got fined. We'll see, I don't doubt the government's capabilities here, just not sure how far it wants to go in making an example of them. It's Lynch's first case as AG, anything less than the public crucifixion of Blatter would surprise me.
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May 28, 2015 02:53
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No way in hell Loretta Lynch is going after FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, as her first major action as AG to just fine some people. FIFA can afford the best lawyers in the world, but the DOJ ain't gonna roll over and they're probably very much secure in their ability to get convictions/plea deals with serious punishment (remember they already have some). Are there any precedents for such sprawling criminal cases?
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May 28, 2015 03:01
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Xandu posted:Pled guilty and got fined. We'll see, I don't doubt the government's capabilities here, just not sure how far it wants to go in making an example of them. Didn't Raymond Casomayor get sentenced to 30 years?
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May 28, 2015 03:04
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Raskolnikov38 posted:It's Lynch's first case as AG, anything less than the public crucifixion of Blatter would surprise me. The world will agree that the sport is called soccer, and that the World Champions of the Super Bowl must receive a congratulatory call to the MVP's personal cell phone from every country's Head of State upon winning.
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May 28, 2015 03:04
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Gyges posted:The world will agree that the sport is called soccer, and that the World Champions of the Super Bowl must receive a congratulatory call to the MVP's personal cell phone from every country's Head of State upon winning. Entire world agrees not to laugh when she offers to throw out the first pitch at next World Cup.
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May 28, 2015 03:11
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Gyges posted:The world will agree that the sport is called soccer, and that the World Champions of the Super Bowl must receive a congratulatory call to the MVP's personal cell phone from every country's Head of State upon winning. It would be fun to see some kind of crazy sovereign citizen style gambit whereby FIFA officials try to get the lawsuits thrown out due to court documents referring to the game as "soccer" rather than "football."
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May 28, 2015 03:15
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It's worth noting that this investigation appears to have been conducted out of the Eastern District of New York's U.S. Attorney's Office, during the tenure of U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch. EDNY is also where all the organized crime cases are tried - they have probably the best OC unit in the country, which comes in handy when prosecuting under RICO.
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May 28, 2015 03:19
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
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farraday posted:Entire world agrees not to laugh when she offers to throw out the first pitch at next World Cup. computer parts posted:Literally the mafia. Well, the most powerful non-FIFA criminal organizations 
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May 28, 2015 03:23
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:As sprawling and international as this? Yeah, I know RICO is for organized crime, but FIFA is really a much, much bigger fish than even the most powerful criminal organizations. From what I gather the Mafia tries real hard to cover up their graft. It doesn't sound like FIFA tried very hard at all.
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May 28, 2015 03:29
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Yeah, but the DoJ doesn't care about FIFA's influence now. FIFA is dealing with an enemy that it can't bribe, ignore, or threaten. It functions according to rules that FIFA doesn't know how to play by. All the prosecutors care about is that, now that they've announced things, either they must come back with Blatter's head or commit ritual mass suicide in front of the Shogun/American Public. Short of nuclear war, they're not going to stop going after FIFA.
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May 28, 2015 03:36
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Bip Roberts posted:With the DOJ 93% conviction number what percentage of the cases are from relatively small time people who have no chance against the federal prosecutors versus the conviction rate against the super-rich? When it comes to the resources the DOJ can throw at a case no one can match them. It is part of their strategy to bury the opposition in paperwork. During discovery they'll turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents. The defendants usually can't afford the cost to have their legal team go through that much paperwork, even if they are worth millions.
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May 28, 2015 04:09
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Xae posted:When it comes to the resources the DOJ can throw at a case no one can match them. I think the world reaction is going to help the DOJ prosecute this thing as hard as they can. People worldwide seem to be absolutely loving the US taking on FIFA, and we do like positive international attention. Not to mention that Loretta Lynch knows she'll go down in the history books if she pulls this off.
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May 28, 2015 04:30
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Xae posted:When it comes to the resources the DOJ can throw at a case no one can match them. Tens of thousands of pages is not a lot for a case.
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May 28, 2015 04:35
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evilweasel posted:Tens of thousands of pages is not a lot for a case. Don't be pedantic, people outside the law would have no idea that millions of documents have to be assessed in the most significant cases. To normal people 10000 is a lot.
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Lid posted:Don't be pedantic, people outside the law would have no idea that millions of documents have to be assessed in the most significant cases. To normal people 10000 is a lot. How much space does a million pages take up?!? Seems like it would be the size of a small room at least.
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quote:The Asian Football Confederation says it still supports Sepp Blatter's bid for another term as FIFA president, and opposes any move to delay Friday's scheduled elections in the wake of a string of corruption arrests of some of the federation's top officials. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8d06e110739f4942bcfc3a988dec76ba/soccer-world-shocked-fifa-raids
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mdemone posted:How much space does a million pages take up?!? Seems like it would be the size of a small room at least. A printer paper box contains 10 reams of paper at 500 pages a ream. At that level of density you'd need 200 of them.
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The Warszawa posted:It's worth noting that this investigation appears to have been conducted out of the Eastern District of New York's U.S. Attorney's Office, during the tenure of U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch. http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/2468775/fifa-corrupt-over-24-years-says-us-department-of-justice Apparently this investigation has been gathering evidence for 24 years Blatter is so hosed A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 06:08 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 06:05
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The DOJ is going to hold FIFA down and gently caress them into obscurity, and then spearhead the launch of a new International Football organization, with the European countries who played ball the most (so far Switzerland) being given free reign to set it up.
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May 28, 2015 06:39
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mdemone posted:How much space does a million pages take up?!? Seems like it would be the size of a small room at least. My brother-in-law used to work as a corporate lawyer. His firm would defend big companies like Best Buy (back in 2010). His entire office was just filled with cardboard boxes filled with documents to review whenever there was a case happening. It wasn't a small office, either. And he was just one dude on the team.
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