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Fat Jesus
Jul 13, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023


WTF is Warpack anyway? Far as I can tell its just a bunch of poo poo like lasers and aimbots.

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rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!

:gooncamp:
It's a pack of obnoxiously poor mods that gives pubbie shitters a level of situational awareness approaching that of even the most modest of blues. Ultimately, though, they're still pubbies and so it is utterly wasted on them.

There are maybe two or three actually kind of unfair features in the whole thing, the rest can be replicated through having a functional brain and using your eyes to look at the screen.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
The only one is the vegetation one and the show where arty fired from. I remember a good number of patches ago, you could see arty tracers while driving tanks.

Im pretty sure if right now I could see arty positions, it would be amazingly and hilariously unfair as I snipe them from across the map.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
Some of the more unfair mods easily available (just google for them if you really want them) include:

- Aimbot. Don't be a scrub and you don't need this.

- Over target marker reload timers/shells remaining in autoloader clip.This one is/was included in Aslain's modpack. Doesn't give you any info you can't figure out yourself but it certainly makes it easier to have good situational awareness.

- Blind shooting hit indicator. Tells you if a blind shot hit something or not. I think it's banned but I don't really understand why, usually you can see your shell impact against the ground so it shouldn't really give you any extra info.

- Tundra/"hedge trimmer". Turns vegetation on/off with a button press. Definitely unfair, wriggling your reticule around trying to find a part of a tank silhouette is pretty frustrating and the mod completely removes that annoyance.

- Various tracer mods/"lasers". Tells you where people are shooting and usually - by color coding - with what ammo too. Sorta handy for situational awareness but not really a big deal. I don't think it can tell you the location of unspotted tanks because the server just doesn't tell you about those, but it's still banned.

- Turret direction indicators. Tells you on the minimap where people are looking. Is in in Aslain's modpack. Again, just a situational awareness crutch.

- Destroyed objects indicator. Tells you on the minimap where someone knocked down trees/destructible objects, regardless if they were spotted or not when they did. Definitely unfair since it gives you information about unspotted tanks that you wouldn't otherwise have. Can be worked around if you are aware of it though (don't knock down destructible objects).


I've also heard talk about an "xray" mod but I don't know what it does. Show tank internals so you know where to shoot for module crits, maybe? See through buildings? Dunno. Not a huge deal anyway.

Saint Celestine posted:

show where arty fired from. I remember a good number of patches ago, you could see arty tracers while driving tanks.

Im pretty sure if right now I could see arty positions, it would be amazingly and hilariously unfair as I snipe them from across the map.
I don't think this works anymore. Pretty sure they've removed all tracer effects from unspotted tanks.

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 28, 2015

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Beats me. Ive never used warpack, I just read it had that feature on the warpack website.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

TheFluff posted:

I don't think this works anymore. Pretty sure they've removed all tracer effects from unspotted tanks.

They left them in for arty and there are definitely mods that put giant red dots/poles where arty last fired from.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Saint Celestine posted:

Beats me. Ive never used warpack, I just read it had that feature on the warpack website.

I haven't either, but according to what I've read tracers just can't you tell the location of unspotted tanks anymore. It used to be that you didn't even need mods to see unspotted arty tracers though.

McGavin posted:

They left them in for arty and there are definitely mods that put giant red dots/poles where arty last fired from.

I'll take your word for it but if there are I haven't found anything about them recently and I haven't seen them used. Not that I play arty much.

srb
Jul 24, 2007
Some of the banned mods are kind of hilarious just in how stupid they are, like one of the "laser pointer" mods is literally just really long red poles attached to the tank barrels that show where they point.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

TheFluff posted:

- Tundra/"hedge trimmer". Turns vegetation on/off with a button press. Definitely unfair, wriggling your reticule around trying to find a part of a tank silhouette is pretty frustrating and the mod completely removes that annoyance.

I used this for a little bit because it gave me a nice FPS boost. It is :siren:TOTALLY SUPER UNFUCKINGFAIR TO USE:siren:. Any hesitation you might of had for taking a shot is totally removed by the ability to see how much/how little of a tank is actually there. Quicker reaction times can make or break how well you do, this mod totally gave you an advantage.

I uninstalled it a long time ago because it made the game too ugly. Shooting the dirt instead of tanks is part of the game. I feel like most other top players I know use very few mods. I only use scope shadow removal, map mod (to see LKP of tanks and my view range), and that stat tracker mod.

Did they fix server side reticle in game?

Missing Name
Jan 5, 2013


Every time someone complains about "fukken hax u noob go kill itself," I tell them it's the "Left Click and Hold W" hack from goatse.info. While no one has messaged me after battle yet, they get even more pissed off because I "admitted to hacking, ur gettin bannd u cheeter"

Never gets old :allears:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

TheFluff posted:

I'll take your word for it but if there are I haven't found anything about them recently and I haven't seen them used. Not that I play arty much.

You're not looking in the right places. Check the link Hellsau posted in the PGS passwords thread.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Mesadoram posted:

Did they fix server side reticle in game?

OMC had a working one for 9.7. I haven't seen one for 9.8 yet.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Mesadoram posted:

Did they fix server side reticle in game?

If you mean dual reticules (client/server) then no, you still need a mod for that. I have it (er, had it in 9.7) but I have very low ping to begin with so it's only really useful in arty where for some reason the server and the client tends to disagree a lot about aim bloom.

Other than the tundra mod (which I agree is really scummy) and the destroyed objects indicator, I don't really think any of the other mods are really all that special. Some of them can give you a small edge or help you with your situational awareness but they won't make a bad player any significantly better. Even the unfair ones aren't enough to make a huge difference either. They do give you an advantage though.

McGavin posted:

You're not looking in the right places. Check the link Hellsau posted in the PGS passwords thread.

Oh so that's what the "red ball" mod does.

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 28, 2015

JohnGalt
Aug 7, 2012
I use vegetation remover. It makes hitting tanks on the move so much easier. Pretty much it.

I also wouldn't mind having the destroyed objects mod. Its blatantly cheating but the only reason I don't have it is that I cant find a non shady copy of it.

Sorry i don't have the E-honouRe you guys have.

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.

McGavin posted:

They left them in for arty and there are definitely mods that put giant red dots/poles where arty last fired from.

It's called RedBall, and no I don't use it, but some goon I play with fairly often does.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

McGavin posted:

OMC had a working one for 9.7. I haven't seen one for 9.8 yet.


TheFluff posted:

If you mean dual reticules (client/server) then no, you still need a mod for that. I have it (er, had it in 9.7) but I have very low ping to begin with so it's only really useful in arty where for some reason the server and the client tends to disagree a lot about aim bloom.

Like this is some basic poo poo that WAS in the game a long time ago. I think it was CTRL+0 to turn it on.

I have a low ping also, but sometimes the game just wants to gently caress with you and not shoot where you are aiming.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

i asked him to do that :unsmith:

I literally explained to him the game in the exact words he said, including the "Artillery comes and hits you on the head".

Raysipes rules.

srb posted:

Some of the banned mods are kind of hilarious just in how stupid they are, like one of the "laser pointer" mods is literally just really long red poles attached to the tank barrels that show where they point.

There was a legal version of it for World of Warplanes and it was hilarious since it tracked all the guns so a fighter would have eight lasers in front of him. Dogfights looked like Star Wars.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Mesadoram posted:

I used this for a little bit because it gave me a nice FPS boost. It is :siren:TOTALLY SUPER UNFUCKINGFAIR TO USE:siren:. Any hesitation you might of had for taking a shot is totally removed by the ability to see how much/how little of a tank is actually there. Quicker reaction times can make or break how well you do, this mod totally gave you an advantage.

There's also an equivalent mod to remove penetrable objects from your view too, so you don't get your vision blocked by pesky thin walls

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So since I just received my "sheit son you ain't half bad, come on in" letter from the french government telling me that basically I'm smart enough to be a teacher (lol) all my friends and relative have been messaging me all day to congratulate me. But nobody cares about me getting the Ace Badge in the 122-54... :smith:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Oh cool my download's stuck at 853.1 out of 860.6 MB. Cool, cool, cool.

mikemelbrooks
Jun 11, 2012

One tough badass
You are basically French. I suspect so are most of your friends, congrats on you pixel tanks medal, to bad about getting a proper job, but at least they didn't find your stash of anime porn. So I guess that's something! :britain:

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

BadLlama posted:

What is with all these goofy badges I am getting for breathing and hitting R 3 times.

It's to motivate people like myself, who press R 2x in order to let all the pubbies charge ahead of me and die.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Does the tracer you see when you shoot not match what the server sees because I am killing a lot tanks where the tracer obviously misses the tank by a good few feet but I still end up hitting them.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Oh great, a HD patch as well.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Azhais posted:

There's also an equivalent mod to remove penetrable objects from your view too, so you don't get your vision blocked by pesky thin walls

That can be detrimental if you're shooting HE or HEAT since they don't pass through destructible objects.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

BadLlama posted:

Does the tracer you see when you shoot not match what the server sees because I am killing a lot tanks where the tracer obviously misses the tank by a good few feet but I still end up hitting them.

I've been getting that since 9.7 and it is super loving irritating seeing my tracer directly intersect an enemy tank, but the shell hit several meters away from the tracer. Wargaming.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
All part of their cunning plan to get rid of laser mods

What if our tracers were entirely unreliable?!

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.

WitchFetish posted:

So since I just received my "sheit son you ain't half bad, come on in" letter from the french government telling me that basically I'm smart enough to be a teacher (lol) all my friends and relative have been messaging me all day to congratulate me. But nobody cares about me getting the Ace Badge in the 122-54... :smith:

From France and Pretender
Great Britain defend her,
Foes let them fall;
From foreign slavery,
Priests and their knavery,
And Papist Reverie,
God save us all.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

The Southern Dandy posted:

From France and Pretender
Great Britain defend her,
Foes let them fall;
From foreign slavery,
Priests and their knavery,
And Papist Reverie,
God save us all.

:france:

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Hellsau posted:

I've been getting that since 9.7 and it is super loving irritating seeing my tracer directly intersect an enemy tank, but the shell hit several meters away from the tracer. Wargaming.

Mine's been the opposite, especially when I'm shooting at moving tanks. The tracer is several meters behind the tank, but the shell still hits.

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.
Aslain's is up for 9.8!

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

The Southern Dandy posted:

It's called RedBall, and no I don't use it, but some goon I play with fairly often does.

I don't think many players do. I hardly ever move after shooting in arty and am almost never counter-batteried without being spotted first.

Mesadoram posted:

Like this is some basic poo poo that WAS in the game a long time ago. I think it was CTRL+0 to turn it on.

It was CAPSLOCK+0 for some dumb reason.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

McGavin posted:

It was CAPSLOCK+0 for some dumb reason.

My friend taught me that when we first started playing. I've been playing this game for too long...

WayAbvPar
Mar 11, 2009

Ah- Smug Mode.

McGavin posted:

I don't think many players do. I hardly ever move after shooting in arty and am almost never counter-batteried without being spotted first.


It was CAPSLOCK+0 for some dumb reason.

I got CB'ed in a game on a huge outdoor map (Malinovka?) on my 2nd shot of the game. No chance he randomly guessed where I was and then saw one of my 2 tracers and shot me. He was crowing in chat about finishing his mission, and I complimented him on his mod use. He didn't say anything after that.

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.

WayAbvPar posted:

I got CB'ed in a game on a huge outdoor map (Malinovka?) on my 2nd shot of the game. No chance he randomly guessed where I was and then saw one of my 2 tracers and shot me. He was crowing in chat about finishing his mission, and I complimented him on his mod use. He didn't say anything after that.

I get CB'd probably once in 30 games. The worse their arty players are, the more you have to beware of it.

JohnGalt
Aug 7, 2012
I'll give credit to WG for making the vanilla interface better. In game shot timer, last known map position, and the new indicators for the patch are something all players need to have access to.

God drat them for having limited zoom in and out ranges though.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

JohnGalt posted:

I'll give credit to WG for making the vanilla interface better. In game shot timer, last known map position, and the new indicators for the patch are something all players need to have access to.

God drat them for having limited zoom in and out ranges though.

Wait they added LKP to the basic interface? That is a step in the right direction!

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



kemikalkadet posted:

Yeah IS-8 is one of my favourite tanks so I'm fine with fat-medium style heavies. M103 doesn't really have a tumor like the E5 though and people will just pen your fat turret. I don't have the top gun on it yet, just the top turret with the 2nd gun... The top gun looks like it handles a lot nicer.There's no real reason I don't get on with the tank to be honest, I just don't seem to get many great games in it like I do the russians and earlier american heavies.

The first 120 is very nice for the XP investment, particularly after having the stock tank come with the T29's 105. The top 120 is indeed a further improvement; when you eventually get it you'll really appreciate the tank.

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always go...



Downstown.

That's a lot of work when you just could've posted a single screenshot of the XVM-stat results from the battle (or replay.) :stare:

RandomPauI posted:

Okay, for the Cent 1 I know its got a good gun, the front of the turret is the bounciest part, it's got decent mobility. But I'm not sure if I should generally, say, stay back and support the heavies, stay towards the front, etc. How should I be playing this tank?

No armor, accurate gun, decent mobility, slow aim time. You really can't get hit, so play at long range where your shots will still be able to hit (due to the excellent accuracy) and you have time to aim without getting hit.

Blindeye posted:

Nothing but tier VII games for my poor tier V tanks, feels like I'm chum for the sharks...still getting at least some shots in when I shoot gold.

Edit: one thing I have noticed is tanks that rely on speed and carry a high-pen gun do way better than tanks like my KV-1 at higher tiers. I do way better in an M4 or T1 Heavy than my KV-1 even when I bring up the rear as cleanup. It's made me go from thinking the KV-1S is inferior to the KV-1 to thinking in higher tiers it is a superior tank. Same for the M4 vs the T-34. The T-34 plows tiers V and VI but is sluggish and has an impotent gun in tier VII.

Some days are like that. I've been having great sessions recently but the last time I played we were getting bottom-tiered 3 matches in a row. Then one top-tier game, followed by 3 more bottom-tier.

The KV-1S is arguably better than the KV-1 if you prefer mobility (which I do.) The T-34's gun is a peashooter, but at least it's accurate and has high-pen APCR (I hope you're using the 57 mm.) The M4 is OK with either the 105 or 76; the latter is a particularly mediocre 3" gun but it's usable on a tier 5 vehicle (and has decent APCR as well.) All of the tanks mentioned are solid-to-great for tier 5.

CompeAnansi posted:

It seems like the main feature of 9.8 is that all the 9.7 replays no longer work... The replay system is rather annoying.

This happens with every patch. Since the replays run in the game engine any changes to it generally break old replays. Occasionally you'll have a situation where an old replay will run but you'll have tanks float on maps where they've flattened out the terrain (e.g. Redshire.)

Mesadoram posted:

Wait they added LKP to the basic interface? That is a step in the right direction!

They've been slowly adding features we've all been using in mods for the past 3 years. In 2018 they'll let you zoom out an extra click compared to now.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

Atomizer posted:

They've been slowly adding features we've all been using in mods for the past 3 years. In 2018 they'll let you zoom out an extra click compared to now.

By then they might have even added a new permanent game mode!

:downsrim:

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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Atomizer posted:


That's a lot of work when you just could've posted a single screenshot of the XVM-stat results from the battle (or replay.) :stare:


I don't have XVM stats. I like to pretend I'm not surrounded by windowlickers until proven otherwise (every loving game).

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