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Nessus posted:I thought the whole image of British cuisine being lovely was because of the nine years of rationing during the war, more than it being inherently poo poo. So obviously Big T was thinking of that. I'd probably take Italian over British cuisine, but the latter actually is really good, especially for sweet stuff. I don't know why people persist with the idea that British cuisine is bad.
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Octy posted:I'd probably take Italian over British cuisine, but the latter actually is really good, especially for sweet stuff. I don't know why people persist with the idea that British cuisine is bad. Probably because of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE0VP0EZ0M
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May 28, 2015 22:58
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concerned mom posted:Lembas Bread was basically a Parmo OP, please update the thread title. TIA.
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May 28, 2015 23:48
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Just had another strange thought (completely unrelated to my previous one, of course): if a film version of The Simarillion ever gets made they should go the Tenacious D Tribute route for Luthien's song to Mandos 
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May 29, 2015 00:16
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Yeah, do it all The Begun of Tigtone style.
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May 29, 2015 00:21
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It's actually mentioned in The Scouring of the Shire how "Sharkey" melted down the big bronze statue in the center of Hobbiton that depicted the hobbit who first invented the mars bar in batter.
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May 29, 2015 01:42
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As an Englishman I do tend to agree with the sentiment that our food is poo poo (and don't let anyone try to convince you that Sunday roasts are good), but we did invent Jaffa Cakes and Hobnobs soooooo....
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May 29, 2015 23:24
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What was Tolkein's thought process behind making Hobbit life-spans notably longer than modern humans but not anything greater?
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Jun 2, 2015 00:42
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Probably to underscore that the present day is the "fallen" world. Same deal with Men.
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Data Graham posted:Probably to underscore that the present day is the "fallen" world. Same deal with Men. I guess that's one part of Tolkein's lore that I never bought: that Middle Earth is actually our own world's ancient history. Although once I had a weird dream where parts of the Simarillion were getting mixed up with Colonial American History  One thing that I'm curious about is that it's my understanding that Lord of the Rings is supposed to be Frodo's recounting of the story (as it was related to him, and Sam of course finishing it up), but if that's so then how did he know about Gollum nearly repenting when he saw Frodo and Sam asleep on the steps of Crinith Ungol?
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SirPhoebos posted:I guess that's one part of Tolkein's lore that I never bought: that Middle Earth is actually our own world's ancient history. Although once I had a weird dream where parts of the Simarillion were getting mixed up with Colonial American History He made it up. Or Sam did. Or Sam heard it but edited it out of guilt. Or some later writer added it.
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Effectronica posted:He made it up. Or Sam did. Or Sam heard it but edited it out of guilt. Or some later writer added it. Or, more darkly, Frodo knew Gollum's innermost thoughts, through the Ring.
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SirPhoebos posted:I guess that's one part of Tolkein's lore that I never bought: that Middle Earth is actually our own world's ancient history. Although once I had a weird dream where parts of the Simarillion were getting mixed up with Colonial American History I wrote a paper in high school describing the point of view used throughout the novel. We see Smeagol's point of view that once; a fox's once; Legolas' once; and I think Gandalf once. Everything else is from a hobbit's point of view, at least in terms of reading the thoughts of a character.
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You get Sauron's POV once as well.quote:And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. euphronius fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 17:43
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It's interesting to note that all points of view are either from people Frodo could have talked to, or people he could have linked with due to the ring. As far as the fox goes, I'll blame it on Sam making poo poo up.
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Jun 2, 2015 17:45
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euphronius posted:You get Sauron's POV once as well. Man I love Tolkien's writing, it just feels epic compared to the standard fantasy writing. I get that it can feel a bit dry and all at times but dang
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Levitate posted:Man I love Tolkien's writing, it just feels epic compared to the standard fantasy writing. I get that it can feel a bit dry and all at times but dang Indeed. Tolkien's writing is, if you'll pardon my baseness, Good poo poo.
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Jun 2, 2015 19:54
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Tolkien was a medievalist, so questions of authorship and textual interpolations fit perfectly into LotR. If there really was a Red Book of Westmarch, scholars would be debating exactly this kind of poo poo. That also shapes how I like to view the huge body of Unfinished and Lost Tales and so on - in any given medieval corpus (say Arthur), you've got multiple different accounts of the same basic event (the Battle of Camlann is retold very differently in Malory vs. Geoffrey vs. the Stanzaic Morte Arthur) and multiple different spellings of everyone's name (Gawain vs. Walwain vs. Gwalchmai), just as you have e.g. Melko in Tales and Melkor in the Silmarillion.
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End Of Worlds posted:Tolkien was a medievalist, so questions of authorship and textual interpolations fit perfectly into LotR. If there really was a Red Book of Westmarch, scholars would be debating exactly this kind of poo poo. Oooh, someone else who's read up on Arthurian things! I did a big King Arthur megapost about a year ago (http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3617881 ) but I'm strictly amateur; was really hoping an expert would come by and point out the undoubtedly huge flaws in my analysis but nobody ever did.
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Man, I haven't read any Arthur since my last trip through Bulfinch. I should do something about that.
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Data Graham posted:Yeah, do it all The Begun of Tigtone style. This would be the best of all possible options. For any possible adaptation.
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If Morgoth is incapable of creating life, only perverting it to his devices, then from where did he derive the dragons?
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SirPhoebos posted:If Morgoth is incapable of creating life, only perverting it to his devices, then from where did he derive the dragons? Yet Another Maia of Aule x20
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SirPhoebos posted:If Morgoth is incapable of creating life, only perverting it to his devices, then from where did he derive the dragons? Probably just the same as Balrogs and Vampires and stuff; corrupted Maia. Tolkein was actually the spiritual grandfather of Chris Metzen.
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Jun 5, 2015 15:08
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I think the books only say the dragons were bred by Morgoth, not created.
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Jun 5, 2015 15:12
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However, in some of the first drafts of the Fall of Gondolin, dragons were closer to machines than actual animals.
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concerned mom posted:Probably just the same as Balrogs and Vampires and stuff; corrupted Maia. Tolkein was actually the spiritual grandfather of Chris Metzen.
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SirPhoebos posted:If Morgoth is incapable of creating life, only perverting it to his devices, then from where did he derive the dragons? Straight up ripping pieces of his own soul off and jamming them into lizards.
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ZeusJupitar posted:Straight up ripping pieces of his own soul off and jamming them into lizards. That's actually really accurate
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euphronius posted:However, in some of the first drafts of the Fall of Gondolin, dragons were closer to machines than actual animals.  I have to know more about this. Could you elaborate, please?
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He writes it like a fantasy elf guy would describe tanks and artillery if I recall correctly. More emphasis on the fire and steel armor/hides of the dragons.
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Those are the bits that were written in the trenches during the Battle of the Somme, right?Ynglaur posted:I wrote a paper in high school describing the point of view used throughout the novel. We see Smeagol's point of view that once; a fox's once; Legolas' once; and I think Gandalf once. Everything else is from a hobbit's point of view, at least in terms of reading the thoughts of a character. You just reminded me of the firework that's compared to a train, and the bit in Lórien which says Aragorn "never went there again as mortal man". The latter was presumably added by a scribe in Gondor, and so might the gloating over Sauron realising how he done hosed up, but what about the train?
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Vavrek posted:
Read Book of Lost Tales 2 : Fall of Gondolin.
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House Louse posted:Those are the bits that were written in the trenches during the Battle of the Somme, right? 1917 so no, Somme was 1916. Probably not literally wrote in the trenches though.
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House Louse posted:Those are the bits that were written in the trenches during the Battle of the Somme, right?
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The Fall of Gondolin was written after he'd been invalided back home and was in hospital. IIRC it was during his first recurrence of the trench fever that got him out.
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Christopher Lee has died: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11666316/christopher-lee-dies-live.html
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HIJK posted:Christopher Lee has died: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11666316/christopher-lee-dies-live.html Yeah, this day is done for me.
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Good-bye Chris, and thanks for being a part of this strange journey. I started my re-read of The Hobbit, and a question I've had for a while has resurfaced: even though they've been corrupted by Morgoth, do Orcs still have the immortality of the Elves? This question came up because the Goblins (Orcs? Just what is the difference?) remember Orcrist and Glamding as weapons of a kingdom that's been gone for thousands of years.
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