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I think the worst thing a story can be is morally repulsive, but fortunately Doctor Who stories almost never are, so, yeah, their biggest sin tends to be when they're dull.
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Bicyclops posted:I think the worst thing a story can be is morally repulsive, but fortunately Doctor Who stories almost never are, so, yeah, their biggest sin tends to be when they're dull. I can't think of any that are morally repulsive off the top of my head; at least not any where the issues go beyond specific choices / events (yellowface in Weng Chiang, mental health stuff in Forest).
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May 27, 2015 15:47
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I can't think of any that are morally repulsive off the top of my head; at least not any where the issues go beyond specific choices / events (yellowface in Weng Chiang, mental health stuff in Forest). Yeah, I actually can't think of any either, but, hey, there's a lot of Doctor Who out there, so maybe I'm forgetting one. I think Nekromanteia comes the closest because it really leers at the characters pretty grossly, but even that one I would describe more as weird, unpleasant and lacking self-awareness more than morally repulsive. In fact, I think Forest's biggest sin is that it's boring. The medication thing is an unfortunate mistake on the part of the writer, but in terms of the actual story, I never really felt like anyone was in danger for most of it.
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May 27, 2015 16:04
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hey i have a Legit Question for you guys, it's important research for a DW thing I'm writing and my normal guy i ask these questions to is offline and will be for at least an hour or so 1) what episode was it where the doctor was introduced choking out a Companion 2) what version of that doctor was it 3) how, in general, was that doctor viewed on the whole of his run, he was adored right, despite being introduced choking out a companion
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May 27, 2015 22:32
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Toxteth O'Grady, USA.
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May 27, 2015 22:35
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Toxxupation posted:hey i have a Legit Question for you guys, it's important research for a DW thing I'm writing and my normal guy i ask these questions to is offline and will be for at least an hour or so It was the Twin Dilemma episode 1 or so. One of the worst of the entire franchise new, old, comic, audio, whatever. 6th Doctor Do you mean by the characters? As an insufferable braggart with an annoying coat mostly. By the audience? Hated for being an insufferable braggart with an annoying coat mostly, and also the Peri thing. His outfit may or may not have been a big reason why Classic Who was cancelled too. Understand, almost all of the love for the 6th Doctor is because of the Audio stories he's been in relatively recently. If Big Finish didn't exist, he'd easily be one of the worst Doctors ever.
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May 27, 2015 22:39
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Toxxupation posted:hey i have a Legit Question for you guys, it's important research for a DW thing I'm writing and my normal guy i ask these questions to is offline and will be for at least an hour or so That was the sixth doctor. He was the Doctor from 1984-1986, and it was rocky. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Colin_Baker quote:Baker's era was interrupted by an eighteen-month hiatus, officially because the show was moved back from the spring to the autumn schedule. He was ultimately dismissed from the part at the insistence of BBC management, who wanted to refresh the show. The Controller of BBC One at the time, Michael Grade, criticised Doctor Who, saying that the programme had become overly violent and its storylines farcical. Baker was offered the first four episodes of the next season in order to pave the way for a regeneration, which he turned down as he did not wish to miss out on other work in the meantime. He did offer to do the whole season and have the Doctor regenerate at the end, but this was refused. As of 2013, he is the only actor to play the Doctor who has been fired by the BBC.
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May 27, 2015 22:39
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yeah i meant by the audience, i just assumed everyone liked Six because i kept on eharing a bunch about him, but ok
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May 27, 2015 22:48
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Six had his moments during his television run where you could see the mishandled potential that Colin Baker had, but for the most part it was a pretty dark period for the show.Doctor Spaceman posted:I can't think of any that are morally repulsive off the top of my head; at least not any where the issues go beyond specific choices / events (yellowface in Weng Chiang, mental health stuff in Forest). Creed of the Kromon features a subplot involving Charley that is utterly repulsive, and the entire time I was listening to it I felt like I'd stumbled on somebody's horribly specific fetish fan-fiction 
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May 27, 2015 22:51
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Toxxupation posted:yeah i meant by the audience, i just assumed everyone liked Six because i kept on eharing a bunch about him, but ok In the public mind he's probably the least-liked Doctor, though this thread has a slightly warmer opinion of him.
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May 27, 2015 23:00
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Toxxupation posted:yeah i meant by the audience, i just assumed everyone liked Six because i kept on eharing a bunch about him, but ok The ratings for his run were decent, but the scripts were atrocious, the show runner pretty much had checked out, and the moral guardians were all over him. And then there was the producer's choice in fashion... Colin Baker wasn't a BAD Doctor, but a weak one. Credit to the actor though that he never got too bitter about his time on the show. It took Big Finish and a crew that gave a drat to show just how good/great his Doctor could have been.
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May 27, 2015 23:51
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The irony being that the actor was the first real fan to get the part. Not in the Ian Levine sense of "I AM THE BEST AT LIKING DOCTOR WHO" (thanks to whoever in the thread gave us that one), but in that the series had been a consistent and beloved part of his life since November 23, 1963.
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May 28, 2015 00:29
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And he got into it as an adult (Baker was born in 1943 in the middle of an air raid) so he may very well have had at least some idea of how he would play the Doctor for close to 20 years before he actually got the part. Which really makes it all the more depressing that he ended up saddled with Pip & Jane, Eric Saward, JNT at the height of his disinterest, and Michael Grade having it in for him personally.
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May 28, 2015 01:01
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Bicyclops posted:I think the worst thing a story can be is morally repulsive, but fortunately Doctor Who stories almost never are, so, yeah, their biggest sin tends to be when they're dull. So that Burke & Hare audio then?
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May 28, 2015 01:56
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greententacle posted:So that Burke & Hare audio then? I'm not du-oh oh wait. Never mind
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May 28, 2015 01:57
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greententacle posted:So that Burke & Hare audio then? I was listening to another Six audio the other day (I forget which) and he got all fired up at somebody and snapped,"The ends never justify the means!" and all I could think of was how terrible and out of character it was for him to be lauding Burke & Hare and saying that their murders were an enormous boon to medical science and therefore justified and even noble 
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May 28, 2015 02:00
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Toxxupation posted:yeah i meant by the audience, i just assumed everyone liked Six because i kept on eharing a bunch about him, but ok There's never been a bad ACTOR to play the Doctor, but there's been a poo poo-ton of bad writers to write him. And they all worked during Six's run. And also Bob Holmes wrote some episodes as well.
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May 28, 2015 02:06
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Jerusalem posted:I was listening to another Six audio the other day (I forget which) and he got all fired up at somebody and snapped,"The ends never justify the means!" and all I could think of was how terrible and out of character it was for him to be lauding Burke & Hare and saying that their murders were an enormous boon to medical science and therefore justified and even noble But drat it, Medicinal Purposes gave us David Tennant and "Jamie famous!"
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May 28, 2015 02:19
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Gaz-L posted:And also Bob Holmes wrote some episodes as well. And you saw where that got him. Dead.
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May 28, 2015 03:09
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CobiWann posted:But drat it, Medicinal Purposes gave us David Tennant and "Jamie famous!" It probably didn't help that so many Big Finish stories used that AWFUL trailer for Medicinal Purposes on the,"Coming soon from Big Finish" bits. I got so tired of hearing all of it, especially Jamie's lines which are just annoying devoid of context.
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May 28, 2015 04:31
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Wheat Loaf posted:And he got into it as an adult (Baker was born in 1943 in the middle of an air raid) so he may very well have had at least some idea of how he would play the Doctor for close to 20 years before he actually got the part. You can't blame Michael really, he was sleeping with Mrs Baker after all.
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May 28, 2015 09:07
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Jerusalem posted:It probably didn't help that so many Big Finish stories used that AWFUL trailer for Medicinal Purposes on the,"Coming soon from Big Finish" bits. I got so tired of hearing all of it, especially Jamie's lines which are just annoying devoid of context. This is why I always avoid trailers if I can. Except for Mad Men's. Those were works of art.
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May 28, 2015 10:35
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According to an account in one of the Big Finish special features, Colin Baker was coming home from an exhausting day at law school and walking up the stairs of his apartment when An Unearthly Child came on the television his flatmate was watching. C-Bakes turned around on the spot and stood on the stairs for 25 minutes and from then on it was more or less appointment television.
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May 28, 2015 11:10
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CobiWann posted:This is why I always avoid trailers if I can. NEXT WEEK ON MAD MEN Betty answers the telephone
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May 28, 2015 11:56
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Toxxupation posted:yeah i meant by the audience, i just assumed everyone liked Six because i kept on eharing a bunch about him, but ok I am late to answer your question, but six was disliked so much, he only lasted two seasons, and there was a hiatus in between. His final season, The Trial of a Timelord, was also a sort of trial for the show to see whether it would renew. There was other stuff going on, of course, and as people have said, Colin Baker's fantastic performance on the audios has proven that it was more about the writing and production than him, which is why he's become a kind of darling to people who listen to his stories, but his introduction is justifiably one of the most reviled, if not the most reviled, episodes in the series, and you more or less have to ignore that it happened to even like his character.
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May 28, 2015 14:23
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It's that time again... http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/jago-litefoot---weekend-offers
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May 29, 2015 12:14
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CobiWann posted:It's that time again... Jago and Litefoot is worth just for the behind the scenes stuff. Benjamin and Baxter obviously have such fondness for one another, and they often come off like a less acerbic Statler and Waldorf. eg, from Series 9's behind the scenes: Baxter: I do love working with all these young actors Big Finish hires. Benjamin: Well, they'd be hard pressed to find anyone older.
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May 29, 2015 12:29
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Davros1 posted:Jago and Litefoot is worth just for the behind the scenes stuff. Benjamin and Baxter obviously have such fondness for one another, and they often come off like a less acerbic Statler and Waldorf. Aw, man, don’t tell me that, I was just about to talk myself out of plunking down for the full bundle… Edit – No, I’m going to be good. I’ll pick up the “Voyages” stuff and the Companion Chronicle, and if I like it I’ll wait for the next sale. I hate being an adult. What’s the point of being grown up? CobiWann fucked around with this message at 13:13 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 12:53
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CobiWann posted:I hate being an adult. What’s the point of being grown up? Seriously.  
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May 29, 2015 13:33
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The_Doctor posted:Seriously. Wow…between that comic and going to see Rush tomorrow night on what’s probably their final tour, I’ve never felt so old. I need a freakin’ drink. Where’s my copy of The Wormery?
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May 29, 2015 13:38
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CobiWann posted:Aw, man, don’t tell me that, I was just about to talk myself out of plunking down for the full bundle… The Companion Chronicle (The Mahogany Murders) has a bunch of the same behind-the-scenes stuff attached to it, though, so you're still getting some of the good stuff! It's one of the few where, because both characters are such hams, you really believe the frame story, that they're putting on this performance for one another. They're really such a class act, it's hard to not catch their contagious enthusiasm.
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May 29, 2015 13:50
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CobiWann posted:I hate being an adult. What’s the point of being grown up? The fact that we're even able to consider these decisions means that we have more opportunities to be grown up in our own way than any time previous. I remember seeing New Adventures at Crown books, but there was no way I could ask my parents to buy them - all gone now. Today there are much better options, you have the capital and its socially acceptable to consider spending it on something like this, and you're not stuck worrying "if I don't get it now, it may go away forever!" I think it's gonna be okay, CobiWann. 
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After The War posted:The fact that we're even able to consider these decisions means that we have more opportunities to be grown up in our own way than any time previous. I remember seeing New Adventures at Crown books, but there was no way I could ask my parents to buy them - all gone now. Today there are much better options, you have the capital and its socially acceptable to consider spending it on something like this, and you're not stuck worrying "if I don't get it now, it may go away forever!" BRB, convincing my wife it's ok to drop a couple hundred bucks on that corset... I think you just don’t want me listening to The Wormery!
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May 29, 2015 14:29
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CobiWann posted:Aw, man, don’t tell me that, I was just about to talk myself out of plunking down for the full bundle… If I'm not mistaken, the "Voyages" stuff is always 5 pounds (at least, it was at release and for a while after that) so it's not really a bargain.
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May 29, 2015 14:51
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Davros1 posted:If I'm not mistaken, the "Voyages" stuff is always 5 pounds (at least, it was at release and for a while after that) so it's not really a bargain. NO! NO! Bad Davros, BAD DAVROS!!!
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May 29, 2015 15:07
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CobiWann posted:I think you just don’t want me listening to The Wormery! You know, maybe you'll dig it. Around here, we call that one the "little strangle-y motions" audio. Not to be confused with the "seriously considering throwing iPod into nearby lake" audio (The Rapture). But I generally get annoyed with "You know the best part of Doctor Who? Me.  " and Paul Magrs is the king of that. But you may feel differently, I really enjoyed The Sandman, have grown to like Dalek Empire and Cyberman and even have a soft spot for a certain Unbound audio that is universally despised. (Okay, just the David Tennant parts.) So it's all subjective.Although I still want to want to scream "Dammit, Magrs, worms are mescal, not tequila, and it's a stupid tourist thing anyway!" No comment on how the substance in question may generally be involved in my Big Finish experience. 
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May 29, 2015 16:32
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CobiWann posted:Wow…between that comic and going to see Rush tomorrow night on what’s probably their final tour, I’ve never felt so old. If you ever want to know how old you REALLY are, look up what song was #1 when you graduated high school.  (Don't do this, it will make you feel super frickin old )
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May 29, 2015 16:46
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whatsabattle posted:If you ever want to know how old you REALLY are, look up what song was #1 when you graduated high school. “Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman,” Bryan Adams. drat it.
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May 29, 2015 16:49
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CobiWann posted:“Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman,” Bryan Adams. I warned you! 
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whatsabattle posted:I warned you! I couldn’t help it! It was like a big red button! Who could resist pushing a big red button?!?
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