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Definitely jumping in on the side of "Don't artificially force a meta you twats". Basically this is the key point here:mikey posted:You fix the problem ship, you don't make another ship into a problem to try to balance it out, otherwise you end up chasing your tail across a dozen broken ship classes each trying to cancel each other out. This is the same problem with everyone else that's saying "make a battlecruiser required for x, make a battleship required for y, make a hic required for z", because you're artificially restricting player choice and setting a precedent for later fixes to be the same sort of bandaid. I think that nullification is actually a halfway reasonable mechanic that needs a few tweaks to make it balanced. I would personally recommend something like nullification meaning that warp stabs had an effect on bubbles. Give dic bubbles 1-2 points of disruption vs nullification and hic bubbles 2-3. Suddenly your travelceptor has to decide between instawarp and nullification, and in both cases he's probably not going to be fighting anyone. Now you've got player choice while retaining interesting gameplay elements.
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It's more likely that, rather than "Nerf Nullification," that Interceptors will get changed if CCP can find another cool/valid role for them. And honestly, all of this "Discussion" is bordering on tears, and those would be tears for Sa Matra and MOA. Don't go down that path.
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here is my unsolicited idea for nerfing interceptors okay i hope you like it nullification is a low slot module for interceptors and if you have it, it makes you completely unable to fire guns even if offline and the module is 200 m^3 or some poo poo so you can't reasonably unfit it with a depot in space thanks and g&d bless
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May 29, 2015 14:43
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ChickenWing posted:I think that nullification is actually a halfway reasonable mechanic that needs a few tweaks to make it balanced. I would personally recommend something like nullification meaning that warp stabs had an effect on bubbles. Give dic bubbles 1-2 points of disruption vs nullification and hic bubbles 2-3. Suddenly your travelceptor has to decide between instawarp and nullification, and in both cases he's probably not going to be fighting anyone. Now you've got player choice while retaining interesting gameplay elements.
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May 29, 2015 14:47
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oh and t3 cruisers just have it by dint of their subsystem and have no restriction because not being able to fire guns is dumb for strat cruisers but makes sense for interceptors
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May 29, 2015 14:48
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Interdiction nullified bombers.
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vodkat posted:I'd agree with that point, my thinking was more along the lines of 'there should be nothing that is impossible to catch' like sub 2s Intys rather it should be skill and ingenuity that gets people past camps. b b but what about the emergent gameplay and my grand idea of universal small ship dog fight combat 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Since we're floating bad ideas about interceptors how about every time nullification gets used a fee must be paid to CONCORD that increases exponentially and can place your account into negative isk because ~reasons~.
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May 29, 2015 15:04
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CommonShore posted:And honestly, all of this "Discussion" is bordering on tears, and those would be tears for Sa Matra and MOA. Don't go down that path. Glory of Arioch posted:here is my unsolicited idea for nerfing interceptors okay i hope you like it
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May 29, 2015 15:06
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How about moving the nullification feature over to covops? You get cloaky probing eyes that dish out poo poo dps.
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May 29, 2015 15:20
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Kidding aside Interceptors are pretty alright at the moment in terms of balance. Uncatchable ones have such laughably weak combat capabilities that they barely make up for the minimum human effort put into them.
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May 29, 2015 15:23
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Maybe just make interceptors incapable of achieving both a sub 2 second align and bubble immunity. That seems like it'd completely fix all problems.
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May 29, 2015 15:53
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Carnyx patch notes are out http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-carnyx/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY6ZfJzEoJw
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May 29, 2015 15:57
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Lowering the agility of Intys will have knock on effects for actually flying them, particularly at very high speeds. I think perhaps CCP needs to address speed creep in general because of the limited controls and the way server ticks work +4km/s ships are almost impossible to control well outside of heavy tidi situations.
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May 29, 2015 16:05
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quote:Gameplay: I was hoping CCP didn't notice this, I was using polarized guns for hyperdunking without having to re-buy a set for each ship. 
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avatarinwin posted:Maybe just make interceptors incapable of achieving both a sub 2 second align and bubble immunity. That seems like it'd completely fix all problems. A while ago I had the idea that nullified ships could need to get to higher than 75% of max speed to enter warp while in bubbles. I think the real problem is that they put the tackle range bonus on the ships with LMLs. Nobody complains that the ares or stiletto are OP. Point/scram range bonuses are some of the rarest and best in the game for PVP. Coincidentally that's also what makes the RLML orthrus a stupidly broken ship, tackle range plus weapon with excellent projection. If they had shifted the roles around and made the raptor & crusader the 30km point variants, I think a lot of the aggravation would be substantially reduced. edit: the launcher is now mandatory fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck 
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May 29, 2015 16:14
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Clearly we need nullification fatigue 
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Thread says to post if you are vacationed. I sent an email. I'm posting a post. I want my internet spaceships.
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Glory of Arioch posted:launcher is fine the launcher just straight wont work for me half the time so no it's not
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May 29, 2015 16:50
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5761402#post5761402 pyfa now has jackdaw stats if you wanna prepare yourself for another round of tier 3 destroyer idiocy 60 seconds of "lets see how this makes brawling hawk obsolete":  also changes ammo in 3 seconds so always has perfect damage type
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:BFM linked goons to pedo pictures, it's a bit beyond lame. He is a pedo god This topic actually destroyed multiple Archeage threads and I believe the in game guild as well. Archeage was a poo poo game though.
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May 29, 2015 16:56
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goonfleet is well aware of bfm's backstory since that's where it broke and where one of my best worked over threads ever happened.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:goonfleet is well aware of bfm's backstory since that's where it broke and where one of my best worked over threads ever happened. Link ? I am at work, Friday, sunny outside, thinking of beer, 3 hours left. Save me
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Glory of Arioch posted:launcher is fine The problem with the launcher is that I can't get mumble to show the overlay with it.
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vermeul posted:Link ? https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/152933-ban-bfm-ban-dbrb/ ed: one thing to note is all of bfm's posts are deleted by solo so you're missing some context there but I don't think it matters FruitNYogurtParfait fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 17:06
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/152933-ban-bfm-ban-dbrb/  That was a fascinating read. Heard about it for years but never had the whole thing layed out in a thread. Is this why homegrown is banned?
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avatarinwin posted:I was hoping CCP didn't notice this, I was using polarized guns for hyperdunking without having to re-buy a set for each ship. Every time I think I can't feel worse for you, I'm reminded that you use a word that Reddit/Eve-O made up for something you came up with.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Every time I think I can't feel worse for you, I'm reminded that you use a word that Reddit/Eve-O made up for something you came up with. Actually a CODE. guy came up with the name as it was happening, and I'm not going to call it 'globbing' because that's too self serving for me.
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May 29, 2015 17:24
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homegroan more like
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Klyith posted:edit: the launcher is now mandatory fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck CCP posted:Please note that contrary to the earlier news article, launching the EVE Online client using exefile.exe will continue to work after the deployment of the Carnyx release. Looks like they changed this already. Now they are just saying you may need to use the launcher to update your game, that the repair tool may fail now.
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Wolfy posted:Letting HICS remove nullification kind of defeats the purpose of nullification. Although I would really enjoy camping CCP in RLML Onyxes. Nullification itself is a stupid mechanic. A ship designed to stop people from warping should do exactly that- running away from a HIC isn't exactly hard, and even with links and a T2 bubble it's not like a single HIC can lock down a regional gate and even if they could, one cycle of an overheated MWD can put a interceptor well beyond the edge of a T2 HIC Bubble- they have to be absurdly lucky to land a web.
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When will developers realize that people want to login as fast as possible in as few steps as possible 
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Xolve posted:Nullification itself is a stupid mechanic. A ship designed to stop people from warping should do exactly that- running away from a HIC isn't exactly hard, and even with links and a T2 bubble it's not like a single HIC can lock down a regional gate and even if they could, one cycle of an overheated MWD can put a interceptor well beyond the edge of a T2 HIC Bubble- they have to be absurdly lucky to land a web.
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What about an alternative dictor probe that, instead of inhibiting warp drives, doubles the align time of affected ship?
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Klyith posted:LML interdictors just feel like a square peg weapon in a round hole tackle method. You're under 20km from your target if you want to keep them bubbled, why use missiles with a 40-60 km range? No-bubble dictors used to be a thing in lowsec but I have the feeling that T3Ds have completely replaced that. I actually really like LML Flycatchers for small-gang stuff. Sabres are basically forced to dive into scram range to contribute to fights, and there are a lot of things that run into small gangs which can kill Sabres in scram range before they die. If you're Falcon Tanking with Topgoon or something it doesn't matter, but I got frustrated at having to sit out so many of our skirmishes because engaging would have just been feeding myself to our victims. I had a lot of fun taking out a Dual Damp LML Flycatcher for those kind of roams. Everyone in a small gang should be carrying their own point anyways, so all you need to do is bubble gates for the initial tackle and maybe swoop back in at the end to catch pods. You spend the rest of the fight putting out mediocre damage with solid application and decent alpha and aggravating anything else that wants to pull distance, which means you're pretty good at clearing chaff support like Ewar frigs and loving with other LML ships such as the ever-popular Caracal.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/152933-ban-bfm-ban-dbrb/ Holy gently caress, what a thread! 
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Have a dic script that reduces agility with 100% stacking penalty in a bubble so you force the 2.1 align time.
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Viva Miriya posted:Troll the Zulu sisterhood of transgender women in poor taste. He also got into a ban/unban war on Zuluchat with Leetcheese and Leetcheese won. (Leetcheese was right and deopped everyone but the admins.)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrC0OUOQG4 Amarr gives no fucks.
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