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Meant to post this last night but got busy  Regarding giving salary / getting lowballed / jobhunting / etc Dark Helmut posted:The point I'm trying to make is to work with your recruiter and tell them where you want to go (salary or otherwise) and leverage our knowledge of the clients/market to get you there. If I can't get you there, I'm drat sure going to tell you why and we're going to figure out a game plan. It makes zero sense for me to ever lowball a candidate. Your approach with internal recruiters should probably be different, however. I agree with this 100% when it comes to good recruiters. As I mentioned before, your guy was awesome and got me what I wanted. However, during my job hunt I was actively applying at other positions (and starting to get stressed out) and it seemed that in the case of every single other recruiter the following was absolutely true: Bigass Moth posted:Giving your salary out is a great way to be lowballed and there is no benefit unless you are so in demand that you get to name your price anyway. With some of these other guys, I disclosed salary history and told them what it would take to get me out (was aiming for 30% raise because gently caress it I'm worth it). They were all trying to get me to lower my salary requirement by 10-20% (or more) simply because of what I am (was) making now. Except for Dark Helmut's guy, who, as I said, got me the job I wanted with the salary and everything else that I wanted. Granted, that was because the following was true: Bigass Moth posted:You're basically saying if you have in-depth technical knowledge and the experience to demonstrate it that you can hold out for the offer you want. I agree with that. I'm glad I held out. I came THIS close to accepting 3 other offers. 1 for a 3 month contract out of state for a massively nice amount of money, 1 12-month contract at just barely above what I was making at the time per hour (I was contracted at the time), and 1 perm with no financial increase but perm + benefits. edit: Dark Helmut's guy knew my salary, agreed I wasn't making enough, knew what I could make, and helped me get there. It took longer, but was worth it.
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MJP posted:3 weeks PTO is the bare bones standard in the US. Also, finding doctor time isn't just a matter of teleporting to the doctor - he's gotta get there, and I'm guessing government contractors go solely by hours. Leave at 3 to see the doctor, don't get paid until 5. If you have further medical stuff, you lose even more time. There are still plenty of companies that start people at 2 weeks plus a couple days of flex time. I tend to see PTO and think "vacation", not "anything I can leave work for and still be paid". That said, I did the contractor thing for years. Sure, you leave at 3. But you come in at 7 that day so yo don't lose any hours. Or, if that's not an option, going to the doctor once every two months (which is a lot) is still 10% of your PTO. That's a bad ratio, but "I need to go to the doctor!" isn't a compelling reason to need more than 3 weeks of PTO unless you have a ton of medical issues, in which case, contracting's not always a good choice. There are lots of reasons to want more PTO, this just seems like a specious one. You can go to the doctor with 120 hours of PTO, dude. MJP posted:I've never had an offer or a position without at least 15 days - "3 weeks" in working weeks terms. Some places bank it as PTO for everything, so congratulations if you get sick for three weeks, enjoy no vacation that year. Others space it out. MJP posted:True. Also, contract jobs generally don't do PTO unless you have a really awesome contract agency. I forget if Teksystems still offers PTO but they do offer benefits to contractors.
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May 29, 2015 16:24
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Ahdinko posted:Unless you say something really stupid you're probably in. It'll likely be the standard HR bullshit: I loving hate this poo poo. "I need to pay my bills" is the answer to why I want any job. I may come to enjoy it, but nobody is ever going to be really passionate about a loving helpdesk position, and if they are it should be a red flag as far as I'm concerned. Job interviews loving suck.
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May 29, 2015 16:27
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evol262 posted:There are still plenty of companies that start people at 2 weeks plus a couple days of flex time. I tend to see PTO and think "vacation", not "anything I can leave work for and still be paid". Too many places make PTO one giant bank. It's really stupid but better than nothing. If you have a boss that doesn't mind you working from home rather than take a sick day, it's a good thing. When I was contracting, some places were not OK with coming in early - granted, I was in helpdesk/desktop support roles, where there's not much to do if nobody's there to make calls or break poo poo, so you'd just be sitting around jerking off. My first job was a 24-7-365 call center so they were OK with switching hours so long as someone was around to switch with. Nobody wants to do 7-3? Tough poo poo, reschedule your doctor's appointment. Good luck if they're observant Jewish and thus never have a weekend option, double good luck if they're a specialist and keep banker's hours with the next one being 45 minutes' further drive! I think for me, full PPO health with Aetna for a single employee was around $120/mo back in 2004 via Teksystems. That's beyond reasonable even today for a single person. It's even worse when some workplaces don't recognize all but the major six federal holidays. Black Friday? Not a holiday. 4th of July falls on a Saturday? Better be there Friday, use a vacation day if you can claim it far enough in advance.
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May 29, 2015 16:30
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MJP posted:I think for me, full PPO health with Aetna for a single employee was around $120/mo back in 2004 via Teksystems. That's beyond reasonable even today for a single person. Haha you live in a literal 3rd world hellhole.
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May 29, 2015 16:50
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black friday isnt a loving holiday
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May 29, 2015 16:53
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CLAM DOWN posted:Haha you live in a literal 3rd world hellhole. My last job was pretty generous - they gave us Columbus Day off. Too bad that the work-life balance was poo poo, my manager was a bald PHB, and the engineering group ran operations like the USSR ran Poland. Unlimited sick time, too. I should have been sicker. Maybe we'll get lucky and there'll be a new labor movemeHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  go3 posted:black friday isnt a loving holiday No, but a lot of places gave it recognizing that most employees would PTO it, leaving those left to get nothing done, unless you work at an MSP, in which case gently caress you you're coming into the office
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May 29, 2015 16:55
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I had a very brief I.T. dream last night. It was embedded in another dream, but at some point a person handed me a phone because someone was trying to get in touch with me. It was a vendor and he'd been struggling for weeks to send me a typeface. I then suggested using Dropbox, and explained how he could upload via the website and then rightclick the file to get a link he could send to me. So... yeah.
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May 29, 2015 17:02
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The job I'm leaving let me take either. Christmas eve or the day after Christmas off last year since Christmas was on a Thursday. Since our family is 5-8 hour drive I took neither(would have spent the whole time with my in-laws and not seen my family at all due to the way we celebrate the holidays.). We also has to work new years eve. Guess what the slowest days of the year were? My new spot has 8 holidays and plenty of pto so hooray for the yotj!
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May 29, 2015 17:02
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I get one week a year plus holidays after 1000+ hours billed and I'm a contract employee. I wish the U.S was more like Europe and we had something insane like 33 days a year PTO.
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May 29, 2015 17:09
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I think I won the PTO lottery: 4 weeks PTO + 11 paid holidays off
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May 29, 2015 17:12
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I get 20 days PDO plus holidays and usually days after if stuff lands on a Thursday.
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May 29, 2015 17:13
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At my new place you don't accrue PTO. You just ask your supervisor when you need time off.
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May 29, 2015 17:14
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Dick Trauma posted:At my new place you don't accrue PTO. You just ask your supervisor when you need time off. Ugh, either the best or worst system ever.
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May 29, 2015 17:15
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My offer letter/contract formally states what the PTO limit is, but I'm pretty sure nobody actually tracks it (not like I take sick days working from home anyway, ugh) and I've never had a problem getting time off when I need it. Startups are weird.
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May 29, 2015 17:19
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When I first started here right after university, first industry job, I got a pretty standard deal: -3 weeks paid vacation -10 sick days -shouldn't even have to be said but I get all 12 stat holidays off too Now after 3 years my automatic paid vacation time goes up by a week a year up to 7 weeks, and I get 15 sick days too. All of this is pretty standard here. You guys are getting hosed.
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May 29, 2015 17:22
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CLAM DOWN posted:When I first started here right after university, first industry job, I got a pretty standard deal: WELCOME TO AMERICA
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May 29, 2015 17:27
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Inspector_666 posted:I loving hate this poo poo. "I need to pay my bills" is the answer to why I want any job. I may come to enjoy it, but nobody is ever going to be really passionate about a loving helpdesk position, and if they are it should be a red flag as far as I'm concerned. 
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May 29, 2015 17:28
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If you're going to include an objective in your resume when you apply for a job (hint: don't), at least make sure that the objective is something that might be accomplished at the job you're applying to. My tier-1 posting is getting people with objectives that include machine learning and AI.
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May 29, 2015 17:31
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:I think I won the PTO lottery: 4 weeks PTO + 11 paid holidays off That's pretty drat solid. I'm at 22 vacation days, 8 sick, and 6 company holidays. I'm pretty much maxed out on vacation days, I'll never earn any more. I do have 12 years of service with the company though. Newhires start at 12 vacation days. I really couldn't work someplace with less than 15 vacation days a year. None of that you have to work here a year to use them bullcrap either.
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May 29, 2015 17:35
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skipdogg posted:That's pretty drat solid. I'm at 22 vacation days, 8 sick, and 6 company holidays. I'm pretty much maxed out on vacation days, I'll never earn any more. I do have 12 years of service with the company though. Newhires start at 12 vacation days. Yeah that's some BS. One cool thing is that everybody at this company gets the same PTO, from the executives down. (although I'm sure they do what they want). I get 3 weeks PTO this year since I just started and it's given quarterly. All benefits start asap. Also Wfh availability. And I guess it's 12 holidays.
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May 29, 2015 17:43
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MJP posted:Too many places make PTO one giant bank. It's really stupid but better than nothing. If you have a boss that doesn't mind you working from home rather than take a sick day, it's a good thing. Yeah that definitely sucks. I had that arrangement in the past and I absolutely came into work sick because of it. I felt like an rear end in a top hat, but it was either that or cancel plans to go see my folks for Christmas (they live on the other side of the country) because I lost the germ lottery or whatever. Not a tough choice. Current job has no formal bank of sick days. If you're sick, work from home. If you're REALLY sick, just take it off, on the honor system. Don't need to burn PTO. It owns. Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:I think I won the PTO lottery: 4 weeks PTO + 11 paid holidays off 
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Inspector_666 posted:I loving hate this poo poo. "I need to pay my bills" is the answer to why I want any job. I may come to enjoy it, but nobody is ever going to be really passionate about a loving helpdesk position, and if they are it should be a red flag as far as I'm concerned. My last four or five interviews (all senior positions) have included some variation of this question prefaced by "aside from getting paid, because we all wanna get paid, right" which seems like a perfectly fair question. The "work is its own reward" folks tend to disappear as you move up the ladder, excepting some starry eyed startup cultures, and it's important to know WHY the actual work appeals to a candidate because if they are just looking for money and couldn't give a poo poo about the work they probably won't be very good or stick around very long.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:If you're going to include an objective in your resume when you apply for a job (hint: don't), at least make sure that the objective is something that might be accomplished at the job you're applying to. My tier-1 posting is getting people with objectives that include machine learning and AI. This is in my resume 101 for candidates. An objective says what YOU want. Hiring managers don't care what you want, they are trying to solve their own problems. So instead, use a summary. Summarize what you bring to the table, what value you add. Answer the question: Who are you, what do you do, and what can you do for my company?
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May 29, 2015 17:55
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My last job had 10 days until you were there for four years. And it ended up being more than four, because everyone came on as a contractor until the beginning of the next year. On the bright side, I ended up taking maybe four days off in the first three months before quitting, and they didn't take it out of my last paycheck. I beat the system 
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Dark Helmut posted:This is in my resume 101 for candidates. An objective says what YOU want. Hiring managers don't care what you want, they are trying to solve their own problems. So instead, use a summary. Summarize what you bring to the table, what value you add. Answer the question: Who are you, what do you do, and what can you do for my company? Someone included a blurry picture of themselves in a t-shirt too. 
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CLAM DOWN posted:When I first started here right after university, first industry job, I got a pretty standard deal: What country are you in?
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I haven't had a job yet that didn't start you out with 2 weeks (aka 10 days) + 3 sick days a year. That seems like boiler plate template for places with under 150 employees. You get into larger organizations, they tend to offer more and be open to more negotiation. I also haven't had a job yet that offers more than the bare minimum of holidays off (Memorial Day, Labor Day, July 4th, Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, New Years Day.)
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high six posted:What country are you in? BC, Canada bull3964 posted:I haven't had a job yet that didn't start you out with 2 weeks (aka 10 days) + 3 sick days a year 3 sick days a year 
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bull3964 posted:I haven't had a job yet that didn't start you out with 2 weeks (aka 10 days) + 3 sick days a year. That seems like boiler plate template for places with under 150 employees. You get into larger organizations, they tend to offer more and be open to more negotiation. I also haven't had a job yet that offers more than the bare minimum of holidays off (Memorial Day, Labor Day, July 4th, Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, New Years Day.) I get 15 days to start of whatever, they don't differentiate sick/pto/floating holidays. Then you get +2 each year to a max of 25 or 30 after a few years. it's pretty nice, really.
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Ahdinko posted:Unless you say something really stupid you're probably in. It'll likely be the standard HR bullshit: Ok, cool. I guess I'll write down a list of strengths/weaknesses and anecdotes that I can have in front of me during the interview.
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MJP posted:Too many places make PTO one giant bank. It's really stupid but better than nothing. If you have a boss that doesn't mind you working from home rather than take a sick day, it's a good thing.  Four and a half weeks of PTO isn't bad, though.I'd take that over the last job, where my boss seriously believed it was legal to treat salaried exempt employees like they were hourly (sure, he could have deducted PTO, but if I'm out of PTO and I show up for 2 hours then leave, that's not a full day absence). MJP posted:When I was contracting, some places were not OK with coming in early - granted, I was in helpdesk/desktop support roles, where there's not much to do if nobody's there to make calls or break poo poo, so you'd just be sitting around jerking off. My first job was a 24-7-365 call center so they were OK with switching hours so long as someone was around to switch with. Nobody wants to do 7-3? Tough poo poo, reschedule your doctor's appointment. Good luck if they're observant Jewish and thus never have a weekend option, double good luck if they're a specialist and keep banker's hours with the next one being 45 minutes' further drive! That aside, my point isn't even that you can get away without taking PTO if you can schedule a dentist or doctor's appointment later in the afternoon. It's that even assuming an incredibly full "appointment every other month at 3:45 with a 30 minute drive" schedule with 120 hours of PTO, it still only takes 10% of your PTO. If you do it once every 3 months (dental cleanings every 6 months, yearly physical, maybe cavity filling or something), it's 8 hours -- one sick day. PTO gets chewed up by a lot of things, but medical appointments aren't generally one of those things unless you're stuck running your kids to orthodontist appointments every month or something. MJP posted:I think for me, full PPO health with Aetna for a single employee was around $120/mo back in 2004 via Teksystems. That's beyond reasonable even today for a single person. MJP posted:It's even worse when some workplaces don't recognize all but the major six federal holidays. Black Friday? Not a holiday. 4th of July falls on a Saturday? Better be there Friday, use a vacation day if you can claim it far enough in advance. Of course, employers aren't really obligated to recognize those at all, so... CLAM DOWN posted:When I first started here right after university, first industry job, I got a pretty standard deal:  Great job trying to compare isolated aspects of totally different systems. Let's also talk about pay or healthcare in a void like we can just arbitrarily compare numbers and say that the US is a third world hellhole in which almost everyone arbitrarily makes more money for doing the same job, but loses it in healthcare costs. There are some fundamental underlying assumptions in the way work is treated in the US and Canada/AUS/EU. It's worth noting that many US employees don't even use up their PTO every year. It's a much more complex issue than presented, and we don't value the same things you do (as a society).
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It also helps that, for instance, we don't have unions or the enforcement of labor laws as well as things like at-will employment ("If you want to take vacation days, I'll just fire you and replace you with someone else."). I don't think most people really value the U.S. system, though they may come to accept it out of some sort of Stockholm Syndrome.
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My current job, if you're hourly you get no sick time unless you have a doctors note. Got the flu and the nurse tells you to not come into the hospital? Too bad, better have some vac or take a no pay day.
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evol262 posted:Let's also talk about pay or healthcare in a void like we can just arbitrarily compare numbers That's pretty much exactly what happens all the time from everyone in this incredibly America-centric thread so I'm posting equivalent non-American things. Good job pointing that out though 
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I found out just now that (at least according to the way the law's interpretation reads) if you have $2000 in your FSA and you've not had that much withdrawn, but you use all $2000 FSA dollars and you leave the job/are fired, the company can't recoup the money from you. Huh. That seems too good to be true, but then again, I did just have to drop $700 after vision plan discounts on three new pairs of glasses. Edit: Actual work question - is there a way to set the Windows Search Indexer to only use up to a certain percentage of CPU at all on 2012R2, and/or to run only during certain time periods? MJP fucked around with this message at 18:43 on May 29, 2015 |
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GreenNight posted:My current job, if you're hourly you get no sick time unless you have a doctors note. Got the flu and the nurse tells you to not come into the hospital? Too bad, better have some vac or take a no pay day. Officially I get no sick time or PTO and am paid hourly. Luckily my bosses are cool as gently caress so even if I take off a day or leave a few hours early they still sign my 40 hours/week timesheet. But yea being a hourly contractor loving sucks
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We're all full time employees here, no contractors. Hourly get the shaft, salary you get whatever you want for sick time.
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high six posted:It also helps that, for instance, we don't have unions or the enforcement of labor laws as well as things like at-will employment ("If you want to take vacation days, I'll just fire you and replace you with someone else."). Half the country is not right to work, meaning that unionized jobs are strictly unionized in 25 states. The issue with enforcement of labor laws is principally that people believe bullshit like this and have no idea what their rights are and what qualifies (or could qualify) as wrongful termination, so they never talk to a lawyer when some sketchy poo poo happens. At-will employment does not mean you're working at Rogue Ales or on some fictional show. It's surprisingly difficult to fire people at many companies, due largely to policies set in place to protect them from wrongful termination suits and to have clear evidence for fighting unemployment claims. Taking vacation, for example, may be protected, depending on how your company classifies it. If your boss tells you to cancel some vacation he's approved and you refuse, you can be fired for that, but "I was fired for taking vacation and replace you with someone else" is largely bullshit which ignores the exigent business costs of replacing an employee valuable enough to even get PTO. Hiring is expensive. Losing staff is expensive. They can always find some other reason to fire you, and if you're in a position where your boss wants to fire you for taking vacation, they probably will, but that isn't a good one. high six posted:I don't think most people really value the U.S. system, though they may come to accept it out of some sort of Stockholm Syndrome. It's not about valuing the US system. It's that Americans expect and value different things from their employers and their work, and we are as much as part of the system being the way it is as anything.
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CLAM DOWN posted:That's pretty much exactly what happens all the time from everyone in this incredibly America-centric thread so I'm posting equivalent non-American things. Good job pointing that out though We all know you get paid in GW2 gems.
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