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Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

Like what the gently caress can you even do against the Kraken

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Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Little Mac posted:

Like what the gently caress can you even do against the Kraken

Hope you have Squid Swim Speed up and they don't

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008
My dumb bad Splatoon/Metal Gear Rising Miiverse drawing has 37 yeahs why. That means it showed up ingame right? Wish I could see that.

A Yolo Wizard posted:

isn't it sold by itself in the eu

Nope, pack-in with game only.

Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

Lemming posted:

Hope you have Squid Swim Speed up and they don't

I'm only level 6 and everyone is so much more powerful than me. For a game that's seemingly tailored for casuals and kids, this game is going to die a quick death with both.

cathead
Jan 21, 2004

Help Im Alive posted:

Well ok, I'm just saying it's still super early. You'll probably be looking at the weapons differently in a couple of weeks when people have had more time to figure the game out

Not to mention we're getting other game modes eventually where different weapons will probably be better.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
The thing to do against the kraken is the same as the thing to do against the Ubercharge in TF2 - kill the person before they get it, bait them into using it suboptimally, don't fight them in melee range so you have ample time to escape. Kraken is honestly one of the least scary supers for me, I feel like its best used as an emergency button when you overextend with the roller and need to get out of dodge than it is a way to get sick frags.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Little Mac posted:

Like what the gently caress can you even do against the Kraken

Krakens slower then normal squids so shoot a wide path and flee, don't go in a straight line either if you can help it. I kite Krakens pretty often by jumping to their side so by the time they turn around they're low on time.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
The abilities you get at the start are actually pretty great. Having extra slots seems to not make too much of a difference. Mostly they just have access to more weapons. Teams are random, so you'll probably be winning about half the time.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Little Mac posted:

I'm only level 6 and everyone is so much more powerful than me. For a game that's seemingly tailored for casuals and kids, this game is going to die a quick death with both.

use the shield special

i just had a guy on our team that had zero points, but two kills :confused:

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Countblanc posted:

The thing to do against the kraken is the same as the thing to do against the Ubercharge in TF2 - kill the person before they get it, bait them into using it suboptimally, don't fight them in melee range so you have ample time to escape. Kraken is honestly one of the least scary supers for me, I feel like its best used as an emergency button when you overextend with the roller and need to get out of dodge than it is a way to get sick frags.

I like using it to make a push into the enemies base towards the end, you can usually get a couple of kills on the way and position yourself pretty well since you can just swim through their ink

cathead posted:

Not to mention we're getting other game modes eventually where different weapons will probably be better.

Yeah like I really like the jet squelcher but it doesn't seem like the best option in turf war because it kind of sucks at covering the ground (It's a long range splattershot but it's got a kinda slow fire rate and runs out of ink really fast) I bet it would be great in the TF2 Payload style mode though.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

TubeStank posted:

use the shield special

i just had a guy on our team that had zero points, but two kills :confused:

They disconnected.

pichupal
Mar 23, 2013

Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.

TubeStank posted:

use the shield special

i just had a guy on our team that had zero points, but two kills :confused:

That just means they got disconnected part way through the map. As an example...

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

pichupal posted:

That just means they got disconnected part way through the map. As an example...


Rofl yeah sorry bro, I started outlining your spawn when I realized what was going on :>

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
Feel like Aerospray RG needs a nerf. It just shits over like every other weapon type lol

Sabby23
Nov 10, 2010

Stay fresh!

Evil Eagle posted:

this has become Aerospray the Game. please bring on ranked mode so the other weapons have a use.

Is ranked going to be a completely different gamemode than the normal turf war we have now? I haven't really read up at all on what the future gamemodes are actually going to be, just that they are coming eventually. Anyone have a list of the ones that are known so far?

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Sabby23 posted:

Is ranked going to be a completely different gamemode than the normal turf war we have now? I haven't really read up at all on what the future gamemodes are actually going to be, just that they are coming eventually. Anyone have a list of the ones that are known so far?

iirc it's a KotH mode (whoever has the most paint in a given area), a payload mode, and something called raincaller something.

Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

dragon enthusiast posted:

Feel like Aerospray RG needs a nerf. It just shits over like every other weapon type lol

Yeah if you're on a team without one and they have one or more you're screwed

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


pichupal posted:

That just means they got disconnected part way through the map. As an example...


Yeah that'd be my face too if all my teammates disconnected

Sabby23
Nov 10, 2010

Stay fresh!

Countblanc posted:

iirc it's a KotH mode (whoever has the most paint in a given area), a payload mode, and something called raincaller something.

Ah, yeah then depending on the size of the "hill" I can see aerospray being pretty poor in those first 2 modes.

Iridium
Apr 4, 2002

Wretched Harp

pichupal posted:

That just means they got disconnected part way through the map. As an example...


had that happen to an opponent earlier, i got close to their spawn and realized I'd seen no opposition at all, and then there was one dude standing on their spawn pad impotently squirting at us :wink: as we mopped up.

felt pretty bad for him so i hosed off to our end for the rest of the match. ended up with 80% coverage for our team.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Its funny to run away from a kraken as a baby squid and here comes this BIG SQUID chasing you and it's just like a movie.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


I had a whole bunch of disconnects last night playing. Not sure if it's because I'm in Australia or what, but its super frustrating when it was in the middle of an all-goon match and I was having fun.

I just wanted to kraken people.
But then my kraken..
Was lackin..

:qq:

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Little Mac posted:

Yeah if you're on a team without one and they have one or more you're screwed

The Aerospray is good but it's not that good; I've seen them lose. Heck, I've seen them lose hard, even when the RG player abused the end-of-round Inkstrike. (Including times I saw teams with three or even four Aerospray variants on the same team.) It's fun, and it's good, but it's not some win-button like some people are acting.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

TubeStank posted:

And not having a team that bunches up solves all of these problems

I have no idea what you mean by this. I'm not saying the rollers are super sick weapons you will easily dominate matches with, they have a lot of downsides against smart players. They're just so good at covering turf and can also be used in combat effectively with a little thinking so its pretty easy to consistently do well with them. This all assuming a competent enemy team. If the enemy team is stupid then yeah the roller is broken but any weapon can be against bad players.

Speaking of which, highlight of my matchmaking day was turning into a kraken and splatting 4 people at once because they all decided to camp the giant pillar on the skatepark for some baffling reason.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

Roland Jones posted:

The Aerospray is good but it's not that good; I've seen them lose. Heck, I've seen them lose hard, even when the RG player abused the end-of-round Inkstrike. (Including times I saw teams with three or even four Aerospray variants on the same team.) It's fun, and it's good, but it's not some win-button like some people are acting.

If you are bad and pick a good weapon, that doesn't instantly make you a good player

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Internet Kraken posted:

I have no idea what you mean by this. I'm not saying the rollers are super sick weapons you will easily dominate matches with, they have a lot of downsides against smart players. They're just so good at covering turf and can also be used in combat effectively with a little thinking so its pretty easy to consistently do well with them. This all assuming a competent enemy team. If the enemy team is stupid then yeah the roller is broken but any weapon can be against bad players.

Speaking of which, highlight of my matchmaking day was turning into a kraken and splatting 4 people at once because they all decided to camp the giant pillar on the skatepark for some baffling reason.

Rollers really aren't too good at covering turf 7nless they're totally left alone though. They're best as defensive weapons because it's so easy to flank them and keep them from covering large areas. If they pop kraken run otherwise they'll be on the defensive 9 times out of 10

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


On a whim I switched from trying .52 gals and Blasters almost exclusively to the Custom Splattershot Jr. and instantly jumped from about third with good KDR to a consistent first with even better KDR. If it's not a matter of the volume-firing weapons being really good then its the other weapons needing to be a bit better to keep up. The difference is night and day.

e: Really happy with the clothing options

Reiley fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jun 1, 2015

Mr. Unlucky
Nov 1, 2006

by R. Guyovich
this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over
You're Wrong.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

TubeStank posted:

Rollers really aren't too good at covering turf 7nless they're totally left alone though. They're best as defensive weapons because it's so easy to flank them and keep them from covering large areas. If they pop kraken run otherwise they'll be on the defensive 9 times out of 10

What makes them bad at covering turf? They cover a huge area and its not like you move slower while using one. They're only bad at covering turf vertically, which doesn't count towards points so its not nearly as much of an issue when it comes to score. Also there's no reason they should be harder to flank than any other player. If anything flanking a good roller play would be harder since if they know the area ahead is clear they can angle the camera backwards without issue since you don't need to aim at all.

But my original point was that even a bad player with the roller can be somewhat useful because they're good at covering turf. And they are, which is why I regularly see lovely roller players with more points than most other guns in equally poor hands.

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jun 1, 2015

MTV Crib Death
Jun 21, 2012
I told my fat girlfriend I wanted to bang skinny chicks and now I'm wondering why my relationship is garbage.

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

The wrongest post.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

A fun thing on Blackbelly is that people still mistakenly assume the steep ramp-like shapes are the only way to climb up the center column. They don't bother to paint over the climbing-paths you put on other parts of the column (making it super easy to reclaim if you lose control of it), and while they're trying to paint up the ramps they're basically sitting ducks.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

The Wii U is literally the only next gen console with games.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Internet Kraken posted:

What makes them bad at covering turf? They cover a huge area and its not like you move slower while using one. They're only bad at covering turf vertically, which doesn't count towards points so its not nearly as much of an issue when it comes to score. Also there's no reason they should be harder to flank than any other player. If anything flanking a good roller play would be harder since if they know the area ahead is clear they can angle the camera backwards without issue since you don't need to aim at all.

But my original point was that even a bad player with the roller can be somewhat useful because they're good at covering turf. And they are, which is why I regularly see lovely roller players with more points than most other guns in equally poor hands.

rollers are bad at covering turf because they only cover the ground immediately in front of them. with other things you can easily turn and give yourself an escape route to either side or backwards on top of spraying back and forth in front of you. rollers are good at the start of a map, but their lack of rage kills their ability to do lots of damage towards the end of a map and you're vulnerable to anything that you can't sneak up upon. the kraken is a good ability particularly if a team bunches up, but the ink line it leaves isn't that big and if you don't kill something you're pretty vulnerable.

Hot Diggity! fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 1, 2015

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

wii u owns and you should get one you dummy

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


TubeStank posted:

rollers are bad at covering turf because they only cover the ground immediately in front of them. with other things you can easily turn and give yourself an escape route to either side or head backwards on top of spraying back and forth. rollers are good at the start of a map, but their lack of rage kills their ability to do lots of damage towards the end of a map and you're vulnerable to anything that you can't sneak up upon. the kraken is a good ability particularly if a team bunches up, but the ink line it leaves isn't that big and if you don't kill something you're pretty vulnerable.

The roller is amazing at covering turf which seems to be its primary job specifically because it always covers turf beneath you. You never get stuck in enemy ink with a roller, and it's actually fantastic at reclaiming territory in the second half where other guns would have to build paths in more slowly.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

you are straight up retarded

Silentman0
Jul 11, 2005

I have a new neighbor. Heard he comes from far away

Mr. Unlucky posted:

this looks like a fun original take on an old genre and I would like to try it but unfortunately the wii u is a barren hellscape that it not worth buying even years into it :(

what the gently caress nintendo why did you have to be such a special little snowflake with your console designs over and over

Nintendo consoles always take a long time to get good games, Wii U just took a lot longer than usual. But hey whatever everyone knows that the DS and Wii were complete financial failures so you're obviously completely right.

noirstronaut
Aug 10, 2012

by Cowcaster
the gently caress

the wii u is great gently caress you

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LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Internet Kraken posted:

Its literally impossible to do bad with the roller unless you're on the mall and everyone else on your team has a roller as well.
If you have decent range like the .52, .96, or dual squelcher rollers are easy as gently caress to shut down

Lemming posted:

Even up close it kills really slowly. It doesn't do a lot of damage.
How many aero shots does it take to kill? 5-6? There are weapons that kill faster but not by much and the slightly lower killspeed is pretty much objectively worth it for the ink coverage, at least in the only gametype we have available now.

I think I like the dual squelcher an itsy little bit more because it shoots fairly fast, has considerably better range and comes with the echolocator which I basically just think is really really loving good but it's close.

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