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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:I'll probably be beaten but yes everything (iphone app/forum website) is working normally for me. You have some problems. Weird, thanks. That's all I needed.
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Verisimilidude posted:What I don't get is that they established that the wights are really hard to kill back in like season 1 or 2, with that wight attacking the previous commander of the Night's Watch. Jon needed fire to put it down, and attacks with a sword and dagger did literally nothing to it. But I guess now they can be knocked out Pokemon style. Recently dead versus the ancient and withered piles of bones fighting at Hardhome. Thus the lead White Walker looking so smug in the final scene.
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I almost hate calling the wights "zombies" and I see several people call them "Mindless Undead." The thing is, I'm not sure if they have a group intelligence, are directly linked to the intelligence of the Walkers that started the hordes, or are smart themselves.. but they don't behave, at all, like Zombies outside of hording and being technically undead. Calling them zombies almost feels like calling them vampires or something. They use weapons, they use tactics, they are fast as gently caress and know how to climb and they purposely use their invincibility to their advantage. Also as we've seen, headshots won't necessarily put one down. ED: Also every single wight that wasn't chopped to pieces (maybe even then) got back up too. They lost none of them. Maybe a few road pizzas that aren't useful anymore thanks to the awesome Giant.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:58
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I was waiting for a Benjen Stark wight.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:58
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Petah posted:Just for the record, I hardly put any effort into analyzing this scene until people starting refuting my observations. For me it was the first thing I thought of once I saw the kids and seemed incredibly obvious. I'm amazed nobody else has come to the same conclusion. Clearly you've never visited the Walking Dead threads, where misinterpretation has evolved into an art form.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:59
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It seems more like you're yelling "Don't discuss these cool moments!" into the ether. The other part, as I stated, is that I can't always tell who is arguing in good faith and who's just trying to elicit contrary responses, so I signal my resignation from the debate in case I'm just being gaslighted. It's a perfectly cromulent decision. By all means, please continue for the next ten pages arguing about it. I've said my piece and bowed out. Topic change: Would someone remind me about the baby-touch/white walker reference from earlier posts? Is it something I've forgotten or is it just the Craster's Keep scene where Jon gets knocked the gently caress out? Otherwise lemme know the season/ep and I'll go back and check it out again. Thanks!
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Jun 1, 2015 21:59
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Dr. Faustus posted:Topic change: Season 4 Episode 4.
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Al Nipper posted:Clearly you've never visited the Walking Dead threads, where misinterpretation has evolved into an art form. The wildling leader lady was stabbed.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:02
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Dr. Faustus posted:Agreed. It's hardly fair to dismiss it as over-analyzing, as if this show existed in a cultural vacuum. Female characters on TV, and yeah, in this show, tend to be stereotyped and mishandled. If they wanted a 'wildling is too horrified to continue' moment, they had tons to work with. They specifically chose the only woman with a speaking role, who was played up as a caring mother. If they were not intentionally playing into that, they handled it poorly. The show is still good, the episode is still amazing, but people can have a problem with somethings in it without it being trolling. Vag Assault Weapon posted:You can see the Thenn already resurrected and killing people before the staredown. He was killed by a Walker though. People killed by Wights seem to stay down until called upon (otherwise the scene at the end wouldn't make sense, as everyone would already be up)
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Jun 1, 2015 22:02
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Lycus posted:Season 4 Episode 4.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:03
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Here's a writeup on the battle that goes over some book stuff too. Nothing spoilery, but it has a bit more about the history of the Night King and Hardholme itself. It's written as a companion for show-only people. Also if you got sick of smug book people rejoice in the fact that book readers got mega spoiled on some White Walker stuff from last night's episode.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:04
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I can only hope that this horrible slaughter, experienced by both sides, means that the show will be spending no more time on Night Watch/Wildling tensions.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:06
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Al Nipper posted:Clearly you've never visited the Walking Dead threads, where misinterpretation has evolved into an art form. The difference being that that's a thread for a legit terrible show while this is one for a legit amazing show.
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theDOWmustflow posted:Don't White Walkers have to be around and do magic things to raise/convert wights? Pretty sure the only time wights were raised in this ep was at the gates at the beginning of the Battle of The white walkers definitely do not need to be around to raise wights. Remember season 1 where they have a dead guy in castle black who spontaneously comes back from the dead? Maybe they can cast their magic from afar but I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't take a lot of effort to raise a few wights at a time. I think that mass uprising at the end was done more for dramatic effect than anything else.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:08
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Crosspostin' from PYF:
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Petah posted:The white walkers definitely do not need to be around to raise wights. Remember season 1 where they have a dead guy in castle black who spontaneously comes back from the dead? Maybe they can cast their magic from afar but I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't take a lot of effort to raise a few wights at a time. I think that mass uprising at the end was done more for dramatic effect than anything else. See, when that happened, I thought the trick was that the wight was playing dead, like the ones waiting for Bran and co. They took him back to give him his burial or whatever, but after he rose, they had to institute a solid 'burn all bodies' policy, because they can't know if a body is a wight in waiting Otherwise, why not just raise all the dead from the battle at Castle Black during it and create enormous chaos? Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Bobo the Red posted:It's hardly fair to dismiss it as over-analyzing, as if this show existed in a cultural vacuum. Female characters on TV, and yeah, in this show, tend to be stereotyped and mishandled. If they wanted a 'wildling is too horrified to continue' moment, they had tons to work with. They specifically chose the only woman with a speaking role, who was played up as a caring mother. If they were not intentionally playing into that, they handled it poorly. Oh god, a woman that cared about children on TV and wasn't a total badass fighting till the end... There are actualy stereotypes that are grounded in reality and whether you like it or not but woman have more empathy especially for children, that's an actual scientifically proven fact. It's also true that people (that includes man and woman) simply react differently to woman in a situation in which horror/violence is involved than they would in the case of a man. There is a reason why there are so many female characters in horror movies. In the end this doesn't have any sexist or stereotyped motivations, it's just an evolutionary/cultural reality that we react different to male or female people in the exact same situations and why it makes more sense to use a female character in such a context (and noone is complaning about the fact that "simple minded and brute" warrior types like the Thenn are always male which is far more offending in theory :p).
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Whoever said the White Walker costume designs look like Mortal Kombat X characters is pretty spot on. I love it.
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LinkesAuge posted:Oh god, a woman that cared about children on TV and wasn't a total badass fighting till the end... Actually the scene was a big troll from D&D to trick someone into typing this. teagone posted:Whoever said the White Walker costume designs look like Mortal Kombat X characters is pretty spot on. I love it. Another WW detail I liked a lot was when the first guy walked through the fire, the flames receded like he was so cold he was putting out the fire.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:17
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Siege weapons seem like they'd be pretty drat effective against the undead. Big ol fireball flung from a catapult.
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zoux posted:Another WW detail I liked a lot was when the first guy walked through the fire, the flames receded like he was so cold he was putting out the fire. Yeah, that was pretty badass. Everything about the White Walkers is  as gently caress.
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zoux posted:Another WW detail I liked a lot was when the first guy walked through the fire, the flames receded like he was so cold he was putting out the fire.
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zoux posted:Another WW detail I liked a lot was when the first guy walked through the fire, the flames receded like he was so cold he was putting out the fire. Cold and snow and fog seemed to seep under the gates for a bit too.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:21
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Here's a gif of it even I was paying attention because I thought "I thought these guys got hurt by fire" but nope.
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LinkesAuge posted:Oh god, a woman that cared about children on TV and wasn't a total badass fighting till the end... Source your quotes. teagone posted:Yeah, that was pretty badass. Everything about the White Walkers is Because of that part, I was half expecting Night's King to just freeze the loving water and walk after the boat. That would have been goddamn terrifying.
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Only Dragon fire not normal your house is on fire fire. Edit: I also was expecting him to bust into let it go and freeze the bay.
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Xealot posted:There sure are a lot of tacticians in this thread. The Thenns lived the closest of anyone to the Lands of Winter. The White Walkers more than likely hit them first, so he knows full well he stands no chance with that thing... and he still says to a guy he absolutely hates "get the dragonglass, I loving got this". See that Janos Slynt? That's how you die. I think I've got a little crush on the guy to be honest, shame he died.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:gently caress that, burn him. Barracuda Bang! posted:Yeah, I hear you. I wish we had some warning about the Winter. As it is, it just came out of nowhere. Koboje posted:For all the spookyness or whatnot these White Walkers seem like they could be killed real easy, if Jon had pocketed a shard he could have tossed it at the White Walker King in the middle of his fancy shmancy ritual and insta killed him, probably screwing up their plans a bit.
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Bobo the Red posted:See, when that happened, I thought the trick was that the wight was playing dead, like the ones waiting for Bran and co. They took him back to give him his burial or whatever, but after he rose, they had to institute a solid 'burn all bodies' policy, because they can't know if a body is a wight in waiting The wildlings also had a policy of burning their dead but they don't do it immediately. My guess is that anyone who dies in the North will eventually turn into a wight (around 24-48 after dying), or the white walkers can use their magic to do it immediately. The white walkers seem to have this influence North of the wall and that their influence is creeping south of the wall as Winter approaches. Petah fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Petah posted:The wildlings also had a policy of burning their dead but they don't do it immediately. My guess is that anyone who dies in the North will eventually turn into a wight (around 24-48 after dying), or the white walkers can use their magic to do it immediately. The white walkers seems to have this influence North of the wall and that their influence is creeping south of the wall as Winter approaches. That's an interesting idea, but I think, if that were the case, it would be really hard for anyone to actually doubt the Walkers exist. If literally every dead body stopped being dead after a short time, there's hardly room for the skepticism that was dominant even in the Watch.
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LinkesAuge posted:Oh god, a woman that cared about children on TV and wasn't a total badass fighting till the end... So by your own logic, you're wrong. Male Thenns =  . Women being more empathic = pseudoscience. You're sexist, QED
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Maarak posted:Not quite. The wights don't seem to have much individuality, but the White Walkers controlling them value terrorizing their foes more than efficient slaughter. Using undead children as terror weapons is something we see in the first episode even. zoux posted:Another WW detail I liked a lot was when the first guy walked through the fire, the flames receded like he was so cold he was putting out the fire.
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Bobo the Red posted:That's an interesting idea, but I think, if that were the case, it would be really hard for anyone to actually doubt the Walkers exist. If literally every dead body stopped being dead after a short time, there's hardly room for the skepticism that was dominant even in the Watch. When I say the "North" I'm not referring to the kingdom of the North, I am referring to the area north of the wall and other cold areas such as Castle Black. This is also a recent phenomenon that's been slowly growing in it's area of influence. It's also clear that the wildlings do not doubt the existence of the white walkers and I think they've known that since season 2.
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Bobo the Red posted:That's an interesting idea, but I think, if that were the case, it would be really hard for anyone to actually doubt the Walkers exist. If literally every dead body stopped being dead after a short time, there's hardly room for the skepticism that was dominant even in the Watch. The white walkers were in hiding since prehistory, if their influence is spreading, and with it the prevalence of wighs, there's nobody alive to predict it.
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I actually liked the "Come at me, bro" bit at the end. It's not that he couldn't have killed Jon Snow. It was to send a message. Go tell the others, it matters not. Nothing can stop us, your world is over.
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Petah posted:When I say the "North" I'm not referring to the kingdom of the North, I am referring to the area north of the wall and other cold areas such as Castle Black. This is also a recent phenomenon that's been slowly growing in it's area of influence. It's also clear that the wildlings do not doubt the existence of the white walkers and I think they've known that since season 2. I know what you were referring to (the Lands Beyond the Wall), but even there, if every dead person was rising from the dead, the Night's Watch would have seen it. It's been 8000 years. Someone would have noticed. If it's a remote power that is spreading, the Walkers don't have to march at all: they can just wait for Winter, and start raising the dead of Westeros, who by and large are not burned I think it's more likely that the Walkers have to be present to raise them, but the wights can feign death rather readily, since they are corpses already The wildlings may not doubt the Walkers exist now, but that's because at this point they're out in the open. There was probably a some skepticism among them for a long time. Hell, even in this episode showed that even the wildlings largely did not actually realize what the Walkers were capable of (otherwise, why would they not immediately go with Jon / panic the way they did).
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Kanine posted:wait we didn't see any other giants besides the one badass one right? does that mean he's the last of his kind? Theres totally gonna be some undead giants i bet (can giants even be undead? I dont read books)
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Flavahbeast posted:Theres totally gonna be some undead giants i bet (can giants even be undead? I dont read books) Yeah the giants were probably not super disciplined about burning their dead, there's bound to be a few crawling through the ice
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According to THE BOOKS there should be few hundred giants left, which makes them endangered, but not quite extinct.
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