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Effectronica posted:i know for sure that it was a finn, though not if it was geriatric pirate specifically, who wrote a bunch of posts about how somali refugees terrified him and they were all out for his wallet and anal virginity. genuinely curious: do you have a job? not as genuinely curious: have you ever thought about why you bother trying to lie about the time you spend on these forums instead of just embracing it like PTD has?
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Effectronica posted:i know for sure that it was a finn, though not if it was geriatric pirate specifically, who wrote a bunch of posts about how somali refugees terrified him and they were all out for his wallet and anal virginity. well it would be some truly desperate refugees to choose finland
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Geriatric Pirate posted:genuinely curious: do you have a job? genuinely curious: why do you envy a single mother living in a house that wasn't up to code fifty years ago with half the wiring stolen and five holes in the roof?
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Geriatric Pirate posted:genuinely curious: do you have a job? why do you think pointing out that some people post more frequently than you is some sort of indication of poor character it's not exactly the stunning rebuke you seem to think it is
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Going back to unions wanting to be exempt from minimum wage, my immediate thought was that they might be willing to negotiate down so say "Instead of paying $15 an hour with crappy/no healthcare coverage or some poo poo, pay us $13 and throw in health insurance, or increased retirement benefits" .
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Effectronica posted:genuinely curious: why do you envy a single mother living in a house that wasn't up to code fifty years ago with half the wiring stolen and five holes in the roof? hmm not sure youre that genuinely curious Popular Thug Drink posted:why do you think pointing out that some people post more frequently than you is some sort of indication of poor character the guy that's really concerned about fake rape allegations is telling me about poor character
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wow
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Geriatric Pirate posted:hmm not sure youre that genuinely curious with every post you make, you march closer to the edge of the abyss my friend 
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Popular Thug Drink posted:with every post you make, you march closer to the edge of the abyss my friend if i was as scared of women as you are, i'd probably spend all day posting as well
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Geriatric Pirate posted:if i was as scared of women as you are, i'd probably spend all day posting as well but you already do...
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post frequently, that is. you post a lot itt, which is funny, because you point out that other people post more than you when they insult your bad arguments
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Geriatric Pirate posted:if i was as scared of women as you are, i'd probably spend all day posting as well 151 posts in this thread dude, 151
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/misc.php?action=whoposted&threadid=3717975 can we get a graph about post counts and autism correlation please
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asdf32 posted:Which is why it's telling that there is a strong reaction too it. Hmm interesting Do you often assume that a person is upset when they laugh hysterically? Personally I think that the "graph" works fine as an illustration of the broad idea that JeffersonClay wants to present: at some sufficiently large minimum wage any potential downsides might begin to outweigh the potential downsides. But no one is pushing for $infinity/hour minimum wage, so it's kind of a pointless image. Every other aspect of the image has no value or merit, which is part of why it's so funny Also, the graph was posted as a response, but the graph doesn't answer any of the questions in that post: ElCondem posted:When you say "maximizing benefits to the poor" what do you mean? QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Right-wingers unironically mad that we are not impressed with their crayon scribbles. This thread.
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I like the fact that thread title is keeping up with the absurdity that is some posters saying "well why don't we raise the minimum wage to [some arbitrary figure] if it won't increase unemployment then!?!". Good stuff. Also, 
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So do you guys think that righties giggle at their originality and cleverness as they type improvisations on the theme "Liberals don't have jobs" yet again?
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Zeitgueist posted:No units booty is a standard unit
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asdf32 posted:Didn't I use the phrase "intelectual child" earlier in this thread? I'm being reminded of that now. Remember when you thought the numbers 100 and 15 were pretty much the same thing? Good times, good times.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:really though why are you so hung up on people discussing things on a discussion forum, it's like a strange thing to gnash your teeth over He is a dumb swamp swede with too many things to do to post on an internet forum!
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Geriatric Pirate posted:the guy that's really concerned about fake rape allegations is telling me about poor character Are you sure you're not confusing him with yourself? Because I've never seen him talk about it since I started reading the thread, but you won't shut the gently caress up about it.
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dude wants to be a poor black person so it would also make sense for him to be envious of me, a cool and good poster who lives in america
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QuarkJets posted:Also, the graph was posted as a response, but the graph doesn't answer any of the questions in that post: I think his intent was to re-iterate that any increase to minimum wage has a point at which the poor will be negatively affected. But his graph implies that giving people a living wage is not possible without also hurting the poor. So I guess his solution is for everyone to become poorer so that we spare the poorest of the poor from becoming even poorer (though it's not explained how that works exactly). Not only that but keeping people poor is helping them, because otherwise they couldn't afford to live if everyone else weren't also poor.
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ElCondemn posted:I think his intent was to re-iterate that any increase to minimum wage has a point at which the poor will be negatively affected. But his graph implies that giving people a living wage is not possible without also hurting the poor. So I guess his solution is for everyone to become poorer so that we spare the poorest of the poor from becoming even poorer (though it's not explained how that works exactly). Not only that but keeping people poor is helping them, because otherwise they couldn't afford to live if everyone else weren't also poor. the only way for that graph to make sense as an argument for something is to say it's arguing for grinding down living standards until the living wage coincides with the green line
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asdf32 posted:The negative consequences are the things that prevent even you from calling for $100 minimum wage. asdf32 posted:$15 minimum wage isn't far off from that buddy in terms of dollars or percents. asdf32 posted:intelectual child
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i assure you that though i have the penis of a child, i have the intellect of a Man
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Heh what a dummy. The "that" in the middle one references "full order of magnitude".
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x2 = x10 100% = 1000% Freedom is slavery.
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asdf32 posted:Heh what a dummy. The "that" in the middle one references "full order of magnitude". I think you mean "exponential".
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i assure you that though i have the penis of a child, i have the intellect FTFY
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spoon0042 posted:I think you mean "exponential". Nope quadratic, haven't you learned anything? Effectronica posted:x2 = x10 Can you put this in picture form?
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Who What Now posted:FTFY owned
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asdf32 posted:Heh what a dummy. The "that" in the middle one references "full order of magnitude". 15x100 = 15 15x101 = 150, notably a number that is still not one hundred nor close by absolute value or percent
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Raskolnikov38 posted:15x100 = 15 Economic impact. We can have this discussion again if you want. I don't advise it for you.
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asdf32 posted:We can have this discussion again if you want. I don't advise it for you. I don't advise it for anyone
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ElCondemn posted:For starters the diagram doesn't tell us anything, it's just a drawing. Graphs are a way to represent data, there is no data being represented here. We have no idea what the units are or how to calculate them. Zeitgueist posted:Way to post a graph boldly rejecting the need for data, Mr. Laffer. Who What Now posted:I'm looking at this but it can't possibly be real. Am I having a stroke? down with slavery posted:how do u post this poo poo unironically Raskolnikov38 posted:Hmmm a unitless graph of questionable accuracy? I guess you have taken Econ 101 after all. The units are unimportant for my purpose here. Every labor market, whether denominated in dollars or dinars will have a wage/benefit curve in the same general shape that I drew, but we wouldn't expect them to be exactly the same. Labeling the axes with specific units would make it less useful. QuarkJets posted:Personally I think that the "graph" works fine as an illustration of the broad idea that JeffersonClay wants to present: at some sufficiently large minimum wage any potential downsides might begin to outweigh the potential downsides. But no one is pushing for $infinity/hour minimum wage, so it's kind of a pointless image. Every other aspect of the image has no value or merit, which is part of why it's so funny You, at least, grasped half the point. The other aspect of the image demonstrates that whatever you or I define as the living wage has no bearing whatsoever on what actual wage will benefit the poor the most. We can say "nobody should live on less than 21.50 an hour" but that has absolutely no impact on the point where the negatives will dominate the benefits. So yes, the graph explicitly answers the questions posed. If you're really asking "how do we determine the net costs and benefits of the minimum wage?" We'd look at the same things I've been discussing in the thread. How many dollars would be transferred to the poor? How much unemployment would result? How much inflation would result? How much would demand be boosted? These are empirical questions. If I had the answers I would write the best econ paper published in decades. ElCondemn posted:Your diagram is really pretty, but there are problems. This is, in itself, a very bold statement. I personally don't think we should disregard the impacts of a policy on the poorest, even if it did make some less-poor people not poor at all. I tend to think the most vulnerable people in society deserve special consideration when crafting policy, but I'm a liberal and I guess you're not? quote:Your diagrams says "if a living wage is over here, it's too high", this means the diagram is flawed. A living wage is the maximal point. If the living wage/maximal point harms the poor (I'm not sure how, your diagram doesn't explain that) then we have a serious problem, no amount of wage will be enough to live. This is really confusing. What do you mean by maximal point? I've been told repeatedly that this thread has no people who think the minimum wage can go upwards, indefinitely, without causing negative consequences. That's exactly what the graph shows. The point which maximizes benefits for the poor has nothing to do with what we define a living wage as.
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