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Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Mordiceius posted:

In the quest "Count Reuven's Treasure," how did you all handle the situation with Triss and the witchhunters?

For me, I was escorting Triss into the place but as soon as they were going to take them, I told them to back off and murdered them all. Felt so good doing it and had no remorse in the situation.

Also, I've yet to go to Skellege yet, so I've only really had interactions with Triss this game and while she's been manipulative in past games and in the book, so far they've done well to make her sympathetic and it makes the whole Triss vs Yen choice a lot harder.

I never even made it past the gate. I murdered all of the dudes. It was great.

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Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007

Mordiceius posted:

In the quest "Count Reuven's Treasure," how did you all handle the situation with Triss and the witchhunters?

For me, I was escorting Triss into the place but as soon as they were going to take them, I told them to back off and murdered them all. Felt so good doing it and had no remorse in the situation.

Also, I've yet to go to Skellege yet, so I've only really had interactions with Triss this game and while she's been manipulative in past games and in the book, so far they've done well to make her sympathetic and it makes the whole Triss vs Yen choice a lot harder.

That's exactly how I handled it. As soon as I got the feeling Triss was going to be tortured and might not be able to stop it, I called the whole thing off and killed them all. Like you said, incredibly satisfying.

Sounds like we're in similar parts of the game, and I have yet to go to Skellege as well. Triss was my choice in the first game, you spend the whole second game with her (Shani who?), and while I was really happy to find Yen, just because of how much you'd heard about her, Triss was always my choice going in. We'll see how the Yen stuff plays out later though.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames

Pellisworth posted:

Just do whichever quests sound interesting to you. Contracts will be worth fair chunks of XP and gold (haggle!), most secondary quests aren't worth much except the really big chains.

I can't really think of any quests that reward worthwhile items, which is one of the game's flaws. Your crafted stuff is almost always going to be better than rewards and Relic item drops.

A lot of people have commented that they should get rid of the XP and leveling system entirely somehow, because the way monster and loot levels are determined doesn't make all that much sense. Play the quests that are interesting to you, there's almost no grindy content in this game. If you're bored exploring and helping peasants go to Novigrad.

Yeah, do this. I don't see the obsession with only doing quests that give the best rewards. Quests all have interesting dialogue/lore to them and even most of the random POIs on the map have books/notes that flesh out the world.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Merry Magpie posted:


While Letho's theory would explain how Yennefer regained her memory, it does nothing for other lingering questions.
Why is Sile de Tancarville one of the few aware of Yennefer's survival and location?

Sile just knows that Yennefer is in the South, and given that she spends the entire game freaking out after Letho went off the reservation and killed Foltest, it's likely she spent some time back-checking his references and those of Geralt.

Merry Magpie posted:

Why did the Lodge recruit an unknown witcher to assassinate a king and not dispose of him afterwards?

That was probably their original plan. Letho explains that he acted like a drooling, petulant dunce within earshot of Sile long enough to sound like a good patsy, and they commissioned him to kill Demavend and rendezous later. They probably would have disposed of him then, had he not gone "sike" and kept the killing spree rolling with Foltest.

Yennefer had little to nothing to do with the assassination plan, she was an unwitting information pump. The whole thing was a collaboration between Philippa and Sile to establish a mage state in the heart of the North that went completely awry because they thought Letho was a glorified Middle-Ages Mugsy instead of a cagey double agent.

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Merry Magpie posted:

Thank you for looking it up.
While Letho's theory would explain how Yennefer regained her memory, it does nothing for other lingering questions.
Why is Sile de Tancarville one of the few aware of Yennefer's survival and location?
Why did the Lodge recruit an unknown witcher to assassinate a king and not dispose of him afterwards?

The simplest explanation is Yennefer was in contact with Sile.
As Demavend's former advisor, Yennefer would be privy to knowledge that would be invaluable for any assassination attempt. It would be natural for Sile to recruit her.
As a conspirator, Yennefer could manipulate the Lodge to ensure Letho testified at the summit.

The entire plan falls apart if Yennefer is an unwilling participant. She would need to be unbound and alone during her conversations with Sile to avoid suspicion.
In short, she betrayed the Lodge and the northern kingdoms for Nilfgaard. It's a compelling angle to pursue, and I am sad they chose to drop it.

Sile is a massive wildcard since it's never really explained how she knows what she knows.

From memory, Letho was captured by imperial intelligence and was promised the re-establishment of the Viper School of Witchers from Vattier and Emhyr, the Viper school being the school of Letho and the other kingslayers and also being based in Nilfgaard (as such, it's unlikely that Letho was completely unknown to the Nilfgaardians). There is no evidence that Yennefer actually went out and said "yeah, recruit him!", also there is no evidence that Sile was actually working for Nilfgaard - the Lodge of Sorceresses had this plan to knock off Demavend and wanted Letho's help to do that as Letho was in the area sucking up to the Sorceresses in the hope that he might be able to convince them to help him kill ?Foltest?, Letho went ahead and killed Demavend while cultivating ties to the Scoiatael who went off and helped him kill Foltest.

Basically, Letho is really good at his job and the Sorceresses with the exception of Cynthia were not working with Nilfgaard.

Comrade Flynn
Jun 1, 2003

Pellisworth posted:

Just do whichever quests sound interesting to you. Contracts will be worth fair chunks of XP and gold (haggle!), most secondary quests aren't worth much except the really big chains.

I can't really think of any quests that reward worthwhile items, which is one of the game's flaws. Your crafted stuff is almost always going to be better than rewards and Relic item drops.

A lot of people have commented that they should get rid of the XP and leveling system entirely somehow, because the way monster and loot levels are determined doesn't make all that much sense. Play the quests that are interesting to you, there's almost no grindy content in this game. If you're bored exploring and helping peasants go to Novigrad.

Definitely not bored, but I'm at almost 80 hours into the game.

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



What is the "Offical" ending that will be used in feature books? Or will there be no books/only books exploring the past.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
I feel this void now that I finished the game....

Maybe I'll start over on hard... :shepface:

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Letho is a giant loving musclebeast with no neck and talks like a bumpkin, everyone assumed he was a complete idiot and he played along.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Schlesische posted:

Sile is a massive wildcard since it's never really explained how she knows what she knows.

From memory, Letho was captured by imperial intelligence and was promised the re-establishment of the Viper School of Witchers from Vattier and Emhyr, the Viper school being the school of Letho and the other kingslayers and also being based in Nilfgaard (as such, it's unlikely that Letho was completely unknown to the Nilfgaardians). There is no evidence that Yennefer actually went out and said "yeah, recruit him!", also there is no evidence that Sile was actually working for Nilfgaard - the Lodge of Sorceresses had this plan to knock off Demavend and wanted Letho's help to do that as Letho was in the area sucking up to the Sorceresses in the hope that he might be able to convince them to help him kill ?Foltest?, Letho went ahead and killed Demavend while cultivating ties to the Scoiatael who went off and helped him kill Foltest.

Basically, Letho is really good at his job and the Sorceresses with the exception of Cynthia were not working with Nilfgaard.

It's both frustrating and kind of brilliant when you realize that the second game's battle was lost before you even begin. The moment Letho killed Demavend in the opening cutscene, Emhyr had won. All that you can do is maybe trip up a couple of his victory laps.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Fist fights against non humans are so much easier than ones against humans, wow

Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007
I don't really want to look it up for fear of seeing spoilers, just curious if Letho is easily missable, or part of the main quests and I'll definitely see him. Also, if you killed him in 2, does he just not show up? Makes me worried he's very minor and easily missable, but I want to catch up with the big guy.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Flumpus posted:

I don't really want to look it up for fear of seeing spoilers, just curious if Letho is easily missable, or part of the main quests and I'll definitely see him. Also, if you killed him in 2, does he just not show up? Makes me worried he's very minor and easily missable, but I want to catch up with the big guy.

He's a secondary quest, fairly early in the game. No idea if that quest is different if he's alive or not or if that quest is even attainable with him dead.

tehllama
Apr 30, 2009

Hook, swing.

Flumpus posted:

That's exactly how I handled it. As soon as I got the feeling Triss was going to be tortured and might not be able to stop it, I called the whole thing off and killed them all. Like you said, incredibly satisfying.

Yeah as soon as it was clear she was going to get tortured I murdered everyone in there and then we burned the drat place down :unsmigghh:

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



8-bit Miniboss posted:

I feel this void now that I finished the game....

Maybe I'll start over on hard... :shepface:

I haven't beat it yet, but I really wish I'd gone with B&B over Normal. I mean, at first I got WRECKED, but at this point I know how the game works and it's just too easy.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Arrgytehpirate posted:

Also, drunk Geralt voice is pretty great

whoever wrote that part has been drunk a time or two

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Verranicus posted:

Yeah, do this. I don't see the obsession with only doing quests that give the best rewards. Quests all have interesting dialogue/lore to them and even most of the random POIs on the map have books/notes that flesh out the world.

I'm constantly amazed at how they managed to make books in this game the exact right length and the perfectly engaging level of content to be worth reading. Compare to something like any Elder Scrolls game where I don't think I've ever bothered reading a book that wasn't part of a quest because a) the fonts were terrible b) the content was dry as a very dry desert and c) they were waaaaaaaaaay too long.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Are there any tips for haggling for more pay for a contract? I can't wrap my mind around how it works. What are the determining factors? How much can you often get away with? The times I did it they usually just got annoyed by my 5 crown mark-up so I just don't bother anymore.

loving cheapskates. Yeah, go kill this motherfucking giant griffon for 134 crowns. How dare you want 140!

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Pwnstar posted:

Letho is a giant loving musclebeast with no neck and talks like a bumpkin, everyone assumed he was a complete idiot and he played along.

He is a complete meatheaded idiot that gets played by every other person he runs across. And he'd be dead twice over if not for Geralt.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





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I'm getting one hell of a sense of deja vu with Johnny the mute Godling, was there a quest like that in TW2?

Edit: Or was there an early gameplay video of this?

pik_d fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jun 2, 2015

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.

Sankis posted:

They wouldn't need to texture nipples, pubic hair, and a tatoo that isn't visible in her normal clothes if that were the case. Judging by Witcher 1, the development team is probably still just full of creeps.

For whatever reason one of Ciri's segments has a bathhouse scene (like father like daughter...), and it shows a close-up of her tattoo there, as well as one of the scars on her stomach. She was also going to bonk a guy at the end but gets cockblocked by the Wild Hunt, maybe there was a version where she didn't earlier in development.

Or more likely she just uses the same basic female texture as the rest of them with her extra features masked on and the tint changed to match her skin color.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Jimbot posted:

Are there any tips for haggling for more pay for a contract? I can't wrap my mind around how it works. What are the determining factors? How much can you often get away with? The times I did it they usually just got annoyed by my 5 crown mark-up so I just don't bother anymore.

loving cheapskates. Yeah, go kill this motherfucking giant griffon for 134 crowns. How dare you want 140!

People in positions of power tend to have more wiggle room in haggling. Villages are little bit more ornery about it.

Edit: What I've done generally if it's someone that looks like they have a lot of money, I go deep into the bonus and judging by their annoyance bar edge it off. Poorer people I start in the middle.

8-bit Miniboss fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 2, 2015

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Broken Cog posted:

He is a complete meatheaded idiot that gets played by every other person he runs across. And he'd be dead twice over if not for Geralt.

Letho's an excellent manipulator. That just doesn't matter much when you're working for God-King Caesarpoleon.

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009

Jimbot posted:

Are there any tips for haggling for more pay for a contract? I can't wrap my mind around how it works. What are the determining factors? How much can you often get away with? The times I did it they usually just got annoyed by my 5 crown mark-up so I just don't bother anymore.

f5 if on PC.

But really - I just go half way, see how they react, and adjust down accordingly.

Schurik
Sep 13, 2008


pik_d posted:

I'm getting one hell of a sense of deja vu with Johnny the mute Godling, was there a quest like that in TW2?

Edit: Or was there an early gameplay video of this?

He was in one of the previews.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Where is a barber? I still haven't run into one.

Agahnim
Sep 14, 2006

Flumpus posted:

I don't really want to look it up for fear of seeing spoilers, just curious if Letho is easily missable, or part of the main quests and I'll definitely see him. Also, if you killed him in 2, does he just not show up? Makes me worried he's very minor and easily missable, but I want to catch up with the big guy.

The quest is called The Fall of the House of Reardon, you find it in Lindenvale.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

NESguerilla posted:

Where is a barber? I still haven't run into one.

theres one scissors icon in oxenfurt and multiple in novograd and skellege. idk how to lay it out better than that.

the one in oenfurt is nearish the swordsmith

Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007

Agahnim posted:

The quest is called The Fall of the House of Reardon, you find it in Lindenvale.

Uh, ok, so... I think I've already done this, but didn't see him. So I looked it up... I hope he's still there if I go back now.

Crigit
Sep 6, 2011

I'll show you my naval if you show me yours.
Let's get naut'y.

NESguerilla posted:

Where is a barber? I still haven't run into one.

There's one in oxenfurt, and a couple in novigrad, and one that you can rescue from bandits who shows up in one of the smaller towns a ways south of oxenfurt, I forget which one.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

beat the game a few hours ago. tough, tough ending. tied up everything nicely and left room for minor further adventures.

especially impressed with the way they handled ciri

it was a tight ending a la harry potter

ShadowMar
Mar 2, 2010

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Crigit posted:

There's one in oxenfurt, and a couple in novigrad, and one that you can rescue from bandits who shows up in one of the smaller towns a ways south of oxenfurt, I forget which one.

Do those guys actually show up? I saved a couple people and everyone but the barbers show up in towns for me.

Agahnim
Sep 14, 2006

Flumpus posted:

Uh, ok, so... I think I've already done this, but didn't see him. So I looked it up... I hope he's still there if I go back now.

The quest is still there if Letho is dead, but there are monsters to kill instead. Maybe there was a bug with the save transfer?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

ShadowMar posted:

Do those guys actually show up? I saved a couple people and everyone but the barbers show up in towns for me.

I originally entered Novigrad via a gate in the east of the city and there was a barber a little way to the north of it. He was drunk, but he gave me a decent shave.

edit: from this map website which is useful as hell but spoilery



Also since I was clean shaven, the beard's not growing in. Someone remind me how I reset that? Or do I need to install some dlc for it?

Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007

Agahnim posted:

The quest is still there if Letho is dead, but there are monsters to kill instead. Maybe there was a bug with the save transfer?

Hm... I lost my save, so imported one that claimed Letho was still alive, but now I'm questioning that. I'll be disappointed if that's the case, but I suppose I'll end up playing this again at some point if he's gone.

Crigit
Sep 6, 2011

I'll show you my naval if you show me yours.
Let's get naut'y.

ShadowMar posted:

Do those guys actually show up? I saved a couple people and everyone but the barbers show up in towns for me.

He did for me. I'm pretty sure it's one of the towns by the water. I want to say Oreton, but that might not be right. All the barbers I've seen so far have schedules that close up shop at night, so you might have just gone by when they weren't open.

VarXX
Oct 31, 2009

Memento posted:

I originally entered Novigrad via a gate in the east of the city and there was a barber a little way to the north of it. He was drunk, but he gave me a decent shave.

edit: from this map website which is useful as hell but spoilery



Also since I was clean shaven, the beard's not growing in. Someone remind me how I reset that? Or do I need to install some dlc for it?

When you clean shave it takes several days for it to grow. The only time the beard doesn't grow is if you select a dlc beard, then you just select the clean shave to reset.

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.

Oxxidation posted:

Sile just knows that Yennefer is in the South, and given that she spends the entire game freaking out after Letho went off the reservation and killed Foltest, it's likely she spent some time back-checking his references and those of Geralt.


That was probably their original plan. Letho explains that he acted like a drooling, petulant dunce within earshot of Sile long enough to sound like a good patsy, and they commissioned him to kill Demavend and rendezous later. They probably would have disposed of him then, had he not gone "sike" and kept the killing spree rolling with Foltest.

Yennefer had little to nothing to do with the assassination plan, she was an unwitting information pump. The whole thing was a collaboration between Philippa and Sile to establish a mage state in the heart of the North that went completely awry because they thought Letho was a glorified Middle-Ages Mugsy instead of a cagey double agent.

Sile: "You waited long enough...Should you survive, go south, to Nilfgaard, where you'll find Yennefer of Vengerberg. Farewell, witcher."
Sile specifically refers to Nilfgaard. More importantly, Sile only reveals this information if you save her life. Sile must have had a reason for concealing Yennefer's location from Triss. The simplest explanation is Yennefer asked Sile not to reveal her location during their communication.

Sile: "After assassinating Demavend, Letho used our gold and magical support to find and meet Iorveth. The elf was to help him hide until the matter blew over. Or so I thought. The Lodge did not condemn Foltest to die."
After the assassination of Demavend, the Lodge explicitly helped Letho contact Iorveth rather than simply murder him. If Letho was truly an unknown, it would have been safer to kill him. The Lodge must have had a reason for taking the risk and allowing Letho to live. Yennefer's involvement in the Lodge conspiracy on behalf of Nilfgaard.

Summary: Yennefer conspired with Nilfgaard to co-opt the Lodge's plan to assassinate Demavend. Letho was a pawn who followed Nilfgaard's plan.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



You never actually have to find Letho in that quest, even if you do have him alive. You can totally ignore the barn he's hiding in from what I remember, it's a separate thing from the quest.

turtlecrunch posted:

She was also going to bonk a guy at the end but gets cockblocked by the Wild Hunt, maybe there was a version where she didn't earlier in development.

Uh, what? That's not at all how that went down for me and it didn't seem even a little bit like it could have gone that way.

edit: Sunstone spoilers:

Phillipa: We're not a pack of wolves that you can drive away from her with a sword

Geralt: Sure you are, and yes I can if the need arises


:allears:

Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 2, 2015

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Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007

Manatee Cannon posted:

You never actually have to find Letho in that quest, even if you do have him alive. You can totally ignore the barn he's hiding in from what I remember, it's a separate thing from the quest.

I just went back and the ladder is missing. So either it goes away when you turn in the quest, or he's not alive in the save I imported (should have been though). So you encounter him later as well?

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