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Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Nope, if you don't do anything he meets with a pack of mercenaries and tried to fake his own death. However, without your intervention they cut off his head as proof they killed him. You can either kill them (thus messing up his plans) or trick them into taking his Witcher medallion instead as proof (thus saving his life and getting the assassins off his trail once and for all)

If you do the quest right you save his life and can send him to chill at Kaer Morhen, where you will meet him again later

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Mordiceius posted:

In the quest "Count Reuven's Treasure," how did you all handle the situation with Triss and the witchhunters?

For me, I was escorting Triss into the place but as soon as they were going to take them, I told them to back off and murdered them all. Felt so good doing it and had no remorse in the situation.

Also, I've yet to go to Skellege yet, so I've only really had interactions with Triss this game and while she's been manipulative in past games and in the book, so far they've done well to make her sympathetic and it makes the whole Triss vs Yen choice a lot harder.

If you actually let them go through with it she loses some fingernails and gets revenge against the head witch hunter guy by stabbing a knife up through his chin and into his brain. It can get kind of brutal though as you're sitting there talking to the guy listening to them torture her in another room.

Flumpus
Jul 22, 2007

muscles like this? posted:

If you actually let them go through with it she loses some fingernails and gets revenge against the head witch hunter guy by stabbing a knife up through his chin and into his brain. It can get kind of brutal though as you're sitting there talking to the guy listening to them torture her in another room.

Yep, totally happy with my decision knowing how that other side plays out then...

Schurik
Sep 13, 2008


gently caress me, I thought people were exaggerating how pretty Skellige is, but almost all of it is stunningly beautiful. And I have no Idea where I got it but I now have a horn that makes Sirens drop from the sky :getin:

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Merry Magpie posted:

Summary: Yennefer conspired with Nilfgaard to co-opt the Lodge's plan to assassinate Demavend. Letho was a pawn who followed Nilfgaard's plan.

Yennefer isn't in the Lodge, she sort of does things on her own and has "vague not really" ties to the Lodge.
Philippa spells this out for you when you're on that mission to find that annoying thing (it's part of the angsty conversation where Philippa basically asks you to take Yennefer and disappear so you don't interrupt their plans), but basically Yennefer has always done what she thought was right and has directly countered the Lodge on a couple of issues, specifically Ciri. The lodge itself is a relatively new thing since the "Council of Mages" dominates a large chunk of the books, and the lodge only really exists in the last one possibly and the period between the books and the end of the second game.

As to the "concealing bits from Triss" thing, it's well known in the lodge that the two of you are boning with you being amnesiac, and it looks like the Lodge thinks you can be used to tie up loose ends until the end of Vergen/moving into Loc Muinne. Also, Philippa is concealing a large amount from Triss, which she alludes to in the megascope conversation in Flotsam.

If you want Yennefer to be a Nilfgaardian/Lodge queen bitch who assassinates people she doesn't like for the aid of your plot (it's an RPG with choice, so it's really your story not CDPRs) then so be it but it doesn't make it true based on the backing lore and the tiny bits of information we glean on her during the games.

Arrgytehpirate posted:

What is the "Offical" ending that will be used in feature books? Or will there be no books/only books exploring the past.

The books take place well before the games, and the last one to be actually written was written in like 2000. The Author has mostly moved on to new things, and appears to be going pound for pound and year for year with George R. R. Martin.

8-bit Miniboss posted:

I feel this void now that I finished the game....

Maybe I'll start over on hard... :shepface:

Yeah, I missed a poo poo load of side quests and Gwent so I'm going back and doing the game again.

Schlesische fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jun 2, 2015

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
When is the patch coming out?

Vehementi
Jul 25, 2003

YOSPOS

tehllama posted:

Yeah as soon as it was clear she was going to get tortured I murdered everyone in there and then we burned the drat place down :unsmigghh:

You guys are all wrong. You did not murder them, you executed them for the crimes of murder and torture.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Mordiceius posted:

When is the patch coming out?

They haven't put a date on it, but they said before 1.04 comes out on consoles supposedly. The experience glitch was originally going to be a hotfix that was due to come out today but that got rolled into 1.05 now.

featurecreep
Jul 23, 2002

Yes, Robinson, take the Major, the Robot, your wife and kids... but leave Will for my plea-- his education.
Well, GTAV is finally feeling some love again since I'm waiting on this patch.

Did do the Fall of the House of Reardon though, got my favorite bumpkin back.

featurecreep fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jun 2, 2015

Magni
Apr 29, 2009

Merry Magpie posted:

Sile: "You waited long enough...Should you survive, go south, to Nilfgaard, where you'll find Yennefer of Vengerberg. Farewell, witcher."
Sile specifically refers to Nilfgaard. More importantly, Sile only reveals this information if you save her life. Sile must have had a reason for concealing Yennefer's location from Triss. The simplest explanation is Yennefer asked Sile not to reveal her location during their communication.

Sile: "After assassinating Demavend, Letho used our gold and magical support to find and meet Iorveth. The elf was to help him hide until the matter blew over. Or so I thought. The Lodge did not condemn Foltest to die."
After the assassination of Demavend, the Lodge explicitly helped Letho contact Iorveth rather than simply murder him. If Letho was truly an unknown, it would have been safer to kill him. The Lodge must have had a reason for taking the risk and allowing Letho to live. Yennefer's involvement in the Lodge conspiracy on behalf of Nilfgaard.

Summary: Yennefer conspired with Nilfgaard to co-opt the Lodge's plan to assassinate Demavend. Letho was a pawn who followed Nilfgaard's plan.

Anything south of Temeria is Nilfgaard. And who says she ever concealed it from Triss as opposed to Triss plain never asking? And even then, sorerers love to play their cards close to their chest and keep just about anything secret as a matter of course.
And there's nothing in that sentence that says they explicitedly helped Letho contact Iorveth, only that he used their reosurces for it - resources that were more likely given to him to kill Demavend, only for him getting more mileage out of them than the Lodge expected or planned for.

Urit
Oct 22, 2010

8-bit Miniboss posted:

They haven't put a date on it, but they said before 1.04 comes out on consoles supposedly. The experience glitch was originally going to be a hotfix that was due to come out today but that got rolled into 1.05 now.

Wish we could get a date on it, because I've triggered the Pyres of Novigrad bug on TWO playthroughs now.

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.

Manatee Cannon posted:

Uh, what? That's not at all how that went down for me and it didn't seem even a little bit like it could have gone that way.

When she is in the stable with him, she kisses him and asks him if it was his first kiss. He's like NO!...yes... and she's like Well I'm not in such a hurry I can show you a few things and then the Wild Hunt detects her like Jason at Camp Crystal Lake and storms the place. It might relate to when his sister asks you to give an opinion on him, or when he asks you if his sister told you anything about him? idk

Agahnim
Sep 14, 2006

Manatee Cannon posted:

You never actually have to find Letho in that quest, even if you do have him alive. You can totally ignore the barn he's hiding in from what I remember, it's a separate thing from the quest.
I'm pretty sure you have to find him to complete the quest. You're sent there to kill some monsters, but he kills them for you. At least for me it updated after the conversation in the barn.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Magni posted:

Anything south of Temeria is Nilfgaard. And who says she ever concealed it from Triss as opposed to Triss plain never asking? And even then, sorerers love to play their cards close to their chest and keep just about anything secret as a matter of course.
And there's nothing in that sentence that says they explicitedly helped Letho contact Iorveth, only that he used their reosurces for it - resources that were more likely given to him to kill Demavend, only for him getting more mileage out of them than the Lodge expected or planned for.

Yeah, Letho was just supposed to use the Scoia'tael as an escape route and meet up with Sile after they bailed him out (at which point Sile probably would have whacked him on the spot). Unfortunately for Sile, Letho's way more personable than he lets on, so he made contact with Iorveth and went, "Hey, know what would be a great idea? Murdering more kings."

By doing this, he managed to talk the Scoia'tael over into helping him with another, unsanctioned assassination, and then disappeared back into the wilds of Flotsam. Afterwards he was just going to turn Iorveth's men against him, thereby eliminating his one accomplice, but Geralt threw a wrench in that plan, so he skedaddled back to his hideaway with Serritt and Auckes to whack Henselt, which also fell through. At that point the actual results didn't matter, though; he just had to keep stirring the pot so the kings would stay good and furious at each other while Emhyr's army went on the march.

I wonder if he would have even tried taking a swing at Radovid. "Hmm, got a network of spies big enough to populate the Pontar Valley and is so paranoid he scooped out his own nanny's eyes. Think I'll be fine topping out at three for four."

Swedish Horror
Jan 16, 2013

I may have to start a new game, I ignored Gwent until almost the very end of the game and I have failed Gwent quests in my journal. I didn't realize how much fun it was, learning what the cards did before I just started throwing them down randomly helped I guess. Where do you get Decoy cards?

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox
^^ There's one at the seven cats inn, one at crows perch, the inn keeper at white orchard apparently sells one (though I think that one is missable because the merchant isn't carrying it in my game)

Just finished the High Stakes Gwent Tournament. That was intense! Sasha had by far the hardest deck to beat imo. The first time I tried the mission I didn't have any decoys and I genuinely believe that beating her is near impossible without them. She just has too strong a deck.

Now that that's done, I guess my gwent adventures are pretty much over. I've got a couple more unique cards to get in skellige but I feel like I've gotten as much out of it as I'm going to get.

the bsd boys
Aug 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 380 days!
I just started playing gwent. Found some inn at the rear end-end of nowhere on a smallish boulder sticking out of the water around Skellige, and challenged the innkeeper. 5 bucks down, should be pretty simple right

The guy pulls out Geralt of loving Rivia, worth 15. Then Cirilla, worth another 15. And so on, and so forth. I settle in for the long haul.

Finally manage to beat him through sheer tenacity, and my reward? Some dwarf for the Scoia'tael deck. 4 points. gently caress me

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

Flumpus posted:

Yep, totally happy with my decision knowing how that other side plays out then...

On the contrary I actually liked how it went. Triss is adamant that she can handle herself and that Geralt needs to worry about finding information Dandelion. She brutally kills her captors and doesn't need Geralt to save her at all, and he even comments that he's never seen her so angry before. I thought it was a good character moment for her after she spent much of the second game as a damsel in distress.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Oxxidation posted:

It's both frustrating and kind of brilliant when you realize that the second game's battle was lost before you even begin. The moment Letho killed Demavend in the opening cutscene, Emhyr had won. All that you can do is maybe trip up a couple of his victory laps.

No the second game's battle was lost when Foltest died (So in the prolog lol) Foltest was the driving force keeping the North aligned politically. Foltest had the wealthiest, most progressive and most technologically advanced of the Northern Kingdoms and he had the political skill to keep the balance of power stable within the North. Demavend's death destabilized the North but Foltest and his mages probably could have kept the situation from spinning out of control.

The North before Witcher 2 was a balancing act between the two powerful and aggressive but diplomatically isolated kingdoms of Redania and Kaedwen, large but weak Aedirn, wealthy Temeria, and the mages. Foltest's tacit alliance with the mages and his truce with Redania kept that balance from falling apart. Kaedwen couldn't snap up Aedirn with Foltest ready to enforce the peace and the sorceresses secretly working against inter-north aggression. There were instabilities in the system -- some sorceresses wanted to rule themselves, Redania got a new and more aggressive king, but Foltest and his allies within the Lodge had a decent chance of maintaining the status quo.

But with Foltest dead though the North collapses into open warfare within weeks. It's no coincidence that Henselt's death or survival doesn't even matter to the plot. Without Foltest and his connections with the mages to keep everyone in line, Henselt, Radovid, and Philippa Eilhart all put their most aggressive plans into motion simultaneously and it results in the plot pileup at Loc Muinne.

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


Act 3 spoiler: When did Redania take Novigrad. Did I miss something?

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Finally beat the game and feel like I got the best ending I could have hoped for, all things considered. Ciri became a Witcher and is free to live her own life, which I feel is pretty much the best possible outcome that Geralt could have hoped for as a dad. Fantastic game, one of the best I've ever played. Definitely my new favorite open world game. Can't wait for the expansions and, honestly, at this point I think I'd really prefer Ciri to being the main character over a new one/a create-a-character. She was always the main character of the novels anyway, and is basically the real lead of this game as well.

edit: time after completing nearly every single side quest I found (15 left, two were left at just needing to be turned in for the reward, five were gwent stuff, and two were races): 88 hours, 37 minutes. A lot of that was me idling but I'm not sure if that time counts or not when you're in character menu. Maybe not 200 hours like they said, but still a drat long time.

edit 2: ok it does actually time you while you're in the character menus

Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 2, 2015

theDOWmustflow
Mar 24, 2009

lmao pwnd gg~
In the Witcher 2, when given the opportunity to save Sile, I let the bwitch die. I was convinced that she was a Bad Guy that deserved to die. From playing the Witcher 3, and from reading what people in this thread have said about Sile and the Witcher 2 plot, I'm starting to regret killing her. I feel like I didn't play that game thoroughly enough and came away with an incorrect impression of her. Does she deserve to die for her actions in the Witcher 2?

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

theDOWmustflow posted:

In the Witcher 2, when given the opportunity to save Sile, I let the bwitch die. I was convinced that she was a Bad Guy that deserved to die. From playing the Witcher 3, and from reading what people in this thread have said about Sile and the Witcher 2 plot, I'm starting to regret killing her. I feel like I didn't play that game thoroughly enough and came away with an incorrect impression of her. Does she deserve to die for her actions in the Witcher 2?

I gather that the only person(s) Sile intended to have killed was Demavend and maybe Letho and his pals, so it depends on how much you think you'd hypothetically like a king you've never met.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

theDOWmustflow posted:

In the Witcher 2, when given the opportunity to save Sile, I let the bwitch die. I was convinced that she was a Bad Guy that deserved to die. From playing the Witcher 3, and from reading what people in this thread have said about Sile and the Witcher 2 plot, I'm starting to regret killing her. I feel like I didn't play that game thoroughly enough and came away with an incorrect impression of her. Does she deserve to die for her actions in the Witcher 2?

I'm of the same mindset. In fact, I'll take it to an even worse level and say I thought she WAS Phillipa, and that I just hadnt been paying attention during the Witcher 2 story.

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

theDOWmustflow posted:

In the Witcher 2, when given the opportunity to save Sile, I let the bwitch die. I was convinced that she was a Bad Guy that deserved to die. From playing the Witcher 3, and from reading what people in this thread have said about Sile and the Witcher 2 plot, I'm starting to regret killing her. I feel like I didn't play that game thoroughly enough and came away with an incorrect impression of her. Does she deserve to die for her actions in the Witcher 2?

As much as they work for peace in the North it's mostly because it's one of those "Well it benefits us" things. They try to party bus in on Saskia's thing with Philippa (Philippa is an evil bitch and should not be ever given responsibility) in the hopes that they will be the real power behind her; the recreation of the Council of Mages and other peoples is mostly so they can plant their "advisors" in with more rulers, with a central authority giving out advisors to specific rulers. Basically, they're really power hungry and are incredibly self-superior.

As to Sile, she appears to be in over her own head.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


What happens to Sile if you spare her? Asking as someone who killed her in the 2nd game.

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Lord Lambeth posted:

What happens to Sile if you spare her? Asking as someone who killed her in the 2nd game.

She dies in the dungeons of the Magehunters while you're in there getting one of Ciri's old instructors out.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Lord Lambeth posted:

What happens to Sile if you spare her? Asking as someone who killed her in the 2nd game.

She shows up way late. She's captured by the witch hunters and you have the choice of either giving her a merciful death or leaving her there to die, as she's too weak to leave her cell. She asks you to kill her.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


Schlesische posted:

She dies in the dungeons of the Magehunters while you're in there getting one of Ciri's old instructors out.

Manatee Cannon posted:

She shows up way late. She's captured by the witch hunters and you have the choice of either giving her a merciful death or leaving her there to die, as she's too weak to leave her cell. She asks you to kill her.

Thought it was something like that. My game glitched out and gave me a glossary page for her. Why give me info on a character that's been dead for months? :v:

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

I feel like the Lodge sorceresses only come out of the Witcher 2 looking decent because they failed so abysmally. Philippa was a vain, preening, stupid woman despite all her magical power. Her plan to take over the North never made any sense. How does killing all the kings end up with the Lodge ruling the North openly? Through whom? How would they get the nobility to fall in line? Her pointlessly cruel treatment of Prince Radovid is evidence that she never really understood how politics worked. Philippa's dumb plan (and general bitchiness) alienated a bunch of former Lodge members who bailed on her, like Triss. Then she went and told the whole plan to a Nilfgaardian spy, making Yennifer's interrogation redundant anyway. How do you think Emhyr knew to send Letho to the sorceresses?

The one thing Philippa and Sile manage to do right is to enchant a dragon to act as muscle, and they needed Geralt to help them out with that. And in the end the dragon is just insurance because the whole plan has gone tits-up by Act 2 of the Witcher and Philippa is walking into a disaster. The mere fact that she shows up at Loc Muinne despite her plan completely falling apart is another example of Philippa doing a dumb thing for no good reason.

So where does Sile fit into this? Ultimately, Sile got played because she didn't know that Philippa had blabbed the plan to Nilfgaard. Emhyr and Letho use Sile to expedite one or two assassinations and then discard her. Teleporting out of Loc Muinne is the only intelligent thing she does in the whole game.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Not sure what the hell this game is doing with vampires. I haven't read the books but I thought lesser vampires like Katakans or Ekkimuras couldn't transform into humans, and higher vampires were one of the strongest creatures in the books and would wreck Geralt in a normal fight. Has the definition of higher vampire changed now or something?

EDIT: By the way I didn't do one of the statuette quests before Triss left so now I can't do it right?

RatHat fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jun 2, 2015

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Only higher vampires can transform into humans in the game as well. It does get a little murky on what classifies as "higher" when it comes to katakans though, as the game will contradict itself on that a few times. You never see a katakan transform into a human or vice versa, however. Higher vampires can still transform into a monstrous bat thing and, yeah, so far as the lore goes they're one of the most dangerous monsters in the world and incredibly hard to kill.

I'm not sure what you mean by statuette quest. Could you be more specific? Though Yennefer can usually act in the same role as Triss when it comes to magical help for quests.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
I've definitely faced human vampires who turn into katakans, and even have the same loot table. Is it just a matter of CDPR not wanting to make a unique model and loot table for them? Even so it's weird that Geralt can kill higher vampires so easy, they should be a boss fight at least.

EDIT: By Statuette I mean the figurines you can find and bring to Triss, who'll reveal they're people who have been shrinkified. I did one of the quests but missed the other one before I sent Triss away.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Every one of the vampire enemies have the nearly the same model but with a different color, it's just the unique ones that are a bit different (not that different, but a little bit). Every Witcher contract monster is a boss fight. It is a bit lazy that they are considered the same and they should really be more clear about where higher vampires stand in comparison to the others.

Geralt fights and defeats a golden dragon, the most powerful monster in the Witcher universe, at the end of the second game so I don't think beating a vampire or two is that out of the question.

Try bringing the statuettes to Yennefer

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

RatHat posted:

EDIT: By Statuette I mean the figurines you can find and bring to Triss, who'll reveal they're people who have been shrinkified. I did one of the quests but missed the other one before I sent Triss away.

You can still do them in act 3 when Triss is back in Novigrad with the rest of the band to gather the Lodge of Sorceresses

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009
One of the best side quest has Geralt potentially facing off against a higher vampire.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
^^^ If you mean Carnal Sins then yeah I just completed that. I liked the quest overall though.

EDIT: Also it gave me a really rad sword that sold for 1100. Not that I need money at this point with 20k already.

Manatee Cannon posted:

Geralt fights and defeats a golden dragon, the most powerful monster in the Witcher universe, at the end of the second game so I don't think beating a vampire or two is that out of the question.

Eh, it was basically a mindless beast at that point from being mind controlled.

RatHat fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jun 2, 2015

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



So? It's still a dragon.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS
IIRC, Saskia wasn't a full-blooded gold dragon.

Granted, the only mentioned difference from that is that she only has one human form instead of being able to transform into whatever humanoid shape she wants.

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Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

I'm in act 3 and have the statues in my inventory, but I'm not getting any dialogue prompt about them when talking to Triss or Yen. :-/

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