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Ratios and Tendency posted:The prime minister isn't supposed to be a president/king position. He's the lead/organising minister of a group but it tends to regress back to a quasi ruler due to laziness and stupidity. Which I feel is one of the best arguments for republicanism in NZ, so we can elect a mainly ceremonial president with a similar set of responsibilities/powers as the Governor-General. Then maybe we could move on from this stupid idea of our PMs being de facto head of state. Even if it didn't really change anything, at least you might not have to listen as many idiots talking about the only reason they vote for a particular party is due to none of the other party leaders 'being good/strong enough to lead our country'.
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I guess there's also the foreign policy perspective too. Its useful to be able to trot out a single head of state with actual power to negotiate/discuss certain topics.
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Jun 1, 2015 06:21
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Detaching the Prime Minster from the a party might be an idea. Wait... that's the American system, sort of. What if the Prime Minster needed a 2/3 majority to have the job? It would lead to some instability due to confidence votes, but things are too stable as is. We also need some way to get rid of MP that get into trouble. "Oh no, I lost my portfolio" isn't good enough.
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Jun 1, 2015 07:05
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I had a twitter to and fro with fuckin P'Dunne today (amongst others, I was largely out of it by this point but they kept mentioning me). about the replacement for the misuse of drugs acts. he made it clear the government isn't looking towards anything like decriminilisation. he claimed labour and national are the reasons why. of course he avoided his own personal opinion on the matter. good old dunne 
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echinopsis posted:I had a twitter to and fro with fuckin P'Dunne today (amongst others, I was largely out of it by this point but they kept mentioning me). about the replacement for the misuse of drugs acts. he made it clear the government isn't looking towards anything like decriminilisation. he claimed labour and national are the reasons why. of course he avoided his own personal opinion on the matter. good old dunne Ugh, just die already you stupid old prick.
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Jun 1, 2015 07:50
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Centrist populism is the worst because it's all the vacuousness of pandering but without any of the bravery to actually stake out territory on a topic which is politically controversial. Also how the gently caress did we let him survive that Andrea Vance thing?
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I don't think we need a leader, or head of state. I view the prime minister as merely the leader of their party, and will never treat them as a head of state. They are the opposite.
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Jun 1, 2015 10:04
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The taint of state?
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Bushmaori posted:Ugh, just die already you stupid old prick. wow bit rude considering his son's a goon
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Jun 1, 2015 11:46
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It's not really a democracy, probably no country is a true democracy but Switzerland might be closest thing to it. Ted Mack, a former Australian politician but New Zealand is pretty similar, gave an excellent talk on it a while ago. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/time-for-major-reform-of-the-way-we-do-government/5064518 The link to the transcript is broken, this is the right one https://parkesfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/hporation2013.pdf open24hours fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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puchu posted:wow bit rude considering his son's a goon The one who is now a partner at Chen Palmer? A decade ago he used to write the most loving offensive poo poo to the Otago student rag every week. I used to quite enjoy it - especially as Dunne senior was in his pompous prime at the time.
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puchu posted:wow bit rude considering his son's a goon Well just because Peter Dunne is human scum doesn't necessarily mean his crotch fruit is. In fact, son of Dunne might not be scum. Disclaimer: I'm a big drama queen that thinks any politician that supports the war on drugs is dumb, and any politician in a position to fight it but who chooses not to can die in a fire.
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i guess it's not to much of a stretch to imagine a doughy white man with glasses might post on somethingawful dot com.
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puchu posted:wow bit rude considering his son's a goon sorry about ya dad
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http://werewolf.co.nz/2015/05/castles-in-the-square/ Good overview of our convention centre program.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:http://werewolf.co.nz/2015/05/castles-in-the-square/ It is good, but sky city is actually a rare example of a NZ company who owns Australian assets, not the other way around.
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Exclamation Marx posted:sorry about ya dad wow, mods?
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exmachina posted:It is good, but sky city is actually a rare example of a NZ company who owns Australian assets, not the other way around. Air NZ used to own Ansett Australia lmao
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puchu posted:Air NZ used to own Ansett Australia lmao Yeah but the Aussie casinos actually make money
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klen dool posted:I don't think we need a leader, or head of state. I view the prime minister as merely the leader of their party, and will never treat them as a head of state. They are the opposite. Let me tell you about humans.
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Bushmaori posted:Well just because Peter Dunne is human scum doesn't necessarily mean his crotch fruit is. In fact, son of Dunne might not be scum. TBF I don't think Dunne really has much power here, the entire govt basically is against decriminilisation, even if he was for it he couldn't do poo poo.. If the country itself was to support a party that supporrt decrim things might happen but this country won't, not yet. Probably not before the next review of the MODA
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Slavvy posted:Let me tell you about humans. Go on....
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Bushmaori posted:Well just because Peter Dunne is human scum doesn't necessarily mean his crotch fruit is. In fact, son of Dunne might not be scum. This, but in a weird twist I am okay with banning tobacco completely - and even encourage it.
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klen dool posted:Go on....
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Ghostlight posted:They're a miserable pile of secrets. I have no secrets. One of my biggest secrets is that I do indeed have secrets.
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klen dool posted:Go on.... Every time JK goes anywhere overseas, he's referred to as meeting with other heads of state. If I went out in the street and asked who NZ's head of state was, practically everyone will say John Key. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I'm just saying that for the overwhelming majority of NZers there is no distinction between a head of state and a PM. Most people aren't even aware of the difference.
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NZH's click-bait article about someone upstaging a bride to propose during the reception turned out to be misinformation. So they post another click-bait article:  Which slags 'the internet' for falling for a photo without knowing all the info. quote:We can hope, of course, that incidents like this one will nudge future shamers the other way: that the accumulation of all these misplaced shaming narratives will eventually encourage people to pause, think, say - "eh, maybe this is okay." NZH totally had nothing to do with it, it's all your fault.
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Jun 2, 2015 01:41
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LOL if you read the Herald
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Slavvy posted:If I went out in the street and asked who NZ's head of state was, practically everyone will say John Key. NZ schools should (probably) teach more civics, people are usually surprised when I tell them that the head of state is the Governor General acting on behalf of the Queen. [fake edit] I've been out of school so long I have no idea what they're teaching any more. Maybe people just aren't learning good.
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we should start teaching basic behavioural science and sociology in schools imo can you imagine the gnashing of teeth over that kind of commie indoctrination?
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~Actually~ the Governor General is the head of state It doesn't matter, they can't do poo poo, the effective head of state is the PM
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Slavvy posted:Every time JK goes anywhere overseas, he's referred to as meeting with other heads of state. Yeah I realise all that. I wasn't describing how it is, I was describing how I want it to be.
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Ivor Biggun posted:NZ schools should (probably) teach more civics, people are usually surprised when I tell them that the head of state is the Governor General acting on behalf of the Queen. As far as I can tell, they teach sweet gently caress all. I work with a 19yo who successfully passed year 13. Last week he asked me what the black/blue stuff that appears on bread was. I told him it was mould. He then asked me if it was bacteria or something. I told him it was a fungus. He asked me what that was. This theme is repeated on an almost daily basis about the most ordinary things. He is totally unaware of how our political system works/is supposed to work, has barely any idea of the shape of the world outside NZ. I say this as someone who graduated highschool just under a decade ago. Even then I felt like I learned almost nothing useful at all, besides calculus (optional), English (optional) and physics (optional).
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NZAmoeba posted:~Actually~ the Governor General is the head of state
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Do kids still do manual classes at Intermediate? Like woodwork and poo poo? They should keep woodwork because it's handy, but drop metalwork for balancing a budget and learning about tax/mortgages, and make home economics actually something to do with economics. Also Te Reo classes.
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Ivor Biggun posted:NZ schools should (probably) teach more civics, people are usually surprised when I tell them that the head of state is the Governor General acting on behalf of the Queen. Anecdotal, but a lot of people I know who finished high school in the last few years have told me they received zero civics instruction (ie. at no point during their education were they even taught the basics of our parliamentary system, or about MMP). Are high schools not allowed to teach kids about our voting system in case it ~*~influences~*~ their political leanings?
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Jun 2, 2015 05:17
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I always just assumed Social Studies was killed by the rise of Standardised Testing since it's a regional subject that can't just have lessons/testing bought/licensed wholesale from foreign institutions.
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I'm 21, and I'm pretty sure the only civics we did was in year 9 social studies. All I remember is we learned how a bill passes, and the teacher said Sue Bradford was mannish.
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I'm 23. The extent of civics that I can recall was being enrolled to vote and a quick this is how MMP works and how you vote thing in year 13. Of course as it wasn't till year 13 a lot of people missed it as they already left school, and it was during a forum thing that a fair few people skipped too.
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