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Gravel Gravy posted:Popping in. What's going on here? Jeffersonclay is frantically defending a graph he personally drew in MSpaint with no units on either axis, as being completely valid and accurate. In fact, no graphs need numbers because it turns out if you label both axis and slap a line down, well you've got a relationship between those two things right there!
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Gravel Gravy posted:Whatre we xounting ? Numbers confuse me, could you draw a conceptual graph? the numbers indicate your per unit bad posts 0/12 *menacingly rests fingers on the 1 and 3 keys* do NOT test me
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Zeitgueist posted:OK, now show your concept works, with data. You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? The lack of units is intentional. The graph is just a tool to help you understand how the minimum wage affects the poor at different levels of wage.
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JeffersonClay posted:You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? The lack of units is intentional. The graph is just a tool to help you understand how the minimum wage affects the poor at different levels of wage. I have reason to believe that my curve doe a better job of reflecting the relationship.
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JeffersonClay posted:You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? The lack of units is intentional. The graph is just a tool to help you understand how the minimum wage affects the poor at different levels of wage. Yes I get that you're attempting to make a graph to try and support a concept you can't support and that you left off units because you have no data. Tell me again why you are so smug about your economics knowledge.
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JeffersonClay posted:You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? The lack of units is intentional. The graph is just a tool to help you understand how the minimum wage affects the poor at different levels of wage. did I miss where you attempt to quantify or define "benefit to the poor" like at all
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the numbers indicate your per unit bad posts ...
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the numbers indicate your per unit bad posts ...
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If you post a labelled pic of Skid Row again maybe folks will forget about this one and go back to making fun of you for something else! 
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JeffersonClay posted:You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? wait, really?
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I don't know why you're all beating him up over this, his crude Paint mockup photo of skid row in which he drew splotches of color on people who he suspected of being homeless was way stupider.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the numbers indicate your per unit bad posts 
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Effectronica posted:holy poo poo... the post history burn, it's too hot! my eyes are melting!! Popular Thug Drink posted:i hope i don't have to dumb this down for you even more, but, hell, let's face it, i probably will I'll have to ask someone in high school to make sure, but I'm pretty sure quoting something that shows a poster is a complete hypocrite is a pretty sick burn.
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JeffersonClay posted:You get that neither I nor anyone else has a function which would actually generate that curve, right? The lack of units is intentional. The graph is just a tool to help you understand how the minimum wage affects the poor at different levels of wage. We get it. You took Economy 101. You realize that policy is based on more than theoretical concepts, right?
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Jun 2, 2015 04:34
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JeffersonClay posted:I'll have to ask someone in high school to make sure, i don't think your peers know much about posting
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I can't imagine any real relationship being a function or having no directional dependence.
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Jun 2, 2015 04:35
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Gravel Gravy posted:We get it. You took Economy 101. You realize that policy is based on more than theoretical concepts, right? non-data driven graphs is like the shibboleth for econ101 also the smugness
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econ postgrads are like "gently caress it, none of this poo poo makes sense plot your own poo poo i'm going to go get high"
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Gravel Gravy posted:We get it. You took Economy 101. You realize that policy is based on more than theoretical concepts, right? This guy said it better than I was gonna. This is like a microeconomics massacre.
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Jun 2, 2015 04:37
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Zeitgueist posted:non-data driven graphs is like the shibboleth for econ101
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Gravel Gravy posted:We get it. You took Economy 101. You realize that policy is based on more than theoretical concepts, right? I highly doubt he even took one Econ class from his community college.
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i dont think that little pantywaist fairy even knows how to spell economics
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Istvun posted:I can't imagine any real relationship being a function or having no directional dependence. Yeah, I work in ecology, not economics, but there's no clean parabolic functions to any of the relationships I study. I have to figure that an economy involving hundreds of millions of people isn't somehow much less complex then anything I work with.
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if only Econ classes were actually like this
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Zeitgueist posted:Yes I get that you're attempting to make a graph to try and support a concept you can't support and that you left off units because you have no data. So you're another person who doesn't understand what a graph is? Not all graphs have or need units! I'm smug about my economics knowledge because the people with actual economics knowledge aren't arguing with me. spoon0042 posted:did I miss where you attempt to quantify or define "benefit to the poor" like at all We can define benefit to the poor a lot of different ways and the relationship demonstrated there will hold. Dollars transferred to the poor, for example. Gravel Gravy posted:We get it. You took Economy 101. You realize that policy is based on more than theoretical concepts, right? The concepts I'm describing aren't just theoretical, they're measurable. Unemployment is a real thing. We can predict how a policy will impact employment, but can only measure it discretely after the fact. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Oh drat we're all hosed now.
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JeffersonClay posted:So you're another person who doesn't understand what a graph is? Not all graphs have or need units! Good ones do.
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Jun 2, 2015 05:09
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JeffersonClay posted:The concepts I'm describing aren't just theoretical, they're measurable. Unemployment is a real thing. We can predict how a policy will impact employment, but can only measure it discretely after the fact. and your totally based in fact economic common sense is going 0/12 or so there
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JeffersonClay posted:So you're another person who doesn't understand what a graph is? Not all graphs have or need units! Yeah but they do need data, homeslice quote:I'm smug about my economics knowledge because the people with actual economics knowledge aren't arguing with me. I know, we're making fun of you instead
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JeffersonClay posted:
So from your graph we can tell: -People won't work for free. - There is a happy median point where people will work and people will hire them. - Employers won't give too much money for labor. Congratulations. In a debate on finding where that median lies your graph is pretty much worthless.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i dont think that little pantywaist fairy even knows how to spell economics LOL classy Those gays and their graphs! Gravel Gravy posted:So from your graph we can tell: You can't tell any of that from the graph. You are bad at graphs. Zeitgueist posted:Yeah but they do need data, homeslice quote:I know, we're making fun of you instead Oh, so you and the homophobe are together?
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paragon1 posted:I smell blood in the water. that rollercoaster tipping point as the posts get more frantic, the poster subject to a dawning realization that they are the butt of a joke they only now begin to percieve
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JeffersonClay posted:You can't tell any of that from the graph. You are bad at graphs. The observer can only get what is put in the graph out of it. Your graph sucks.
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JeffersonClay posted:LOL classy try taking a deep breath, counting to 10, and then releasing
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Bbbbuh where are the numbers? how can you express the relationship between two things without numbers? Popular Thug Drink posted:that rollercoaster tipping point as the posts get more frantic, the poster subject to a dawning realization that they are the butt of a joke they only now begin to percieve was it the gay slur?
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JeffersonClay, what do you do for a living? I'm curious.
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JeffersonClay posted:Bbbbuh where are the numbers? how can you express the relationship between two things without numbers? you're really banking on getting people mad at PTD so they'll stop making fun of you now, huh?
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