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Great Beer posted:Wouldn't the other doors unlock anyway, since the key is in range and it has no way of knowing who's actually carrying it? Or does that system disable once one door is unlocked? The sensors are typically close proximity. On my BRZ, it knows you are standing outside the driver's door, so it only unlocks the driver's door if the handle is grasped. The same goes for if you are standing by the trunk, it doesn't unlock the car doors to get into the trunk. It can even detect if the keys are IN the car as opposed to outside. It will prevent you from locking the keys in the car.
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I can't ever own one of these vehicles. I'd sit there worrying about battery drain, unable to sleep.
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What are the advantages of frameless windows? Aside from their obvious use on convertibles.
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If it's induction/RFID-based, the range can't be more than a few inches from the sensor, can it?
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Platystemon posted:What are the advantages of frameless windows? Aside from their obvious use on convertibles. It all comes down to "they look better". Data Graham posted:If it's induction/RFID-based, the range can't be more than a few inches from the sensor, can it? People have been able to read passive RFID tags from >200 ft. Hyundai's implementation is probably under a few feet, given that the user might have the key in a purse or pocket on the opposite side of his/her body from the door. Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Mooseykins posted:Over here it's £48k (And there are no options, besides exterior and interior colour.) Not here. I cross-shopped the A6 and couldn't get a stripper version for the same price as a loaded V6 AWD Genesis sedan. A loaded A4 was actually a few bucks more and down on size, power and features. Lexus GS, BMW 5 and E-Class were all laughably more expensive, and really only the E-Class felt like a more luxurious car. The GS, A6 and 5 were all a little more nimble, but not $20k CDN more.
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TKIY posted:Not here. I cross-shopped the A6 and couldn't get a stripper version for the same price as a loaded V6 AWD Genesis sedan. A loaded A4 was actually a few bucks more and down on size, power and features. Lexus GS, BMW 5 and E-Class were all laughably more expensive, and really only the E-Class felt like a more luxurious car. The GS, A6 and 5 were all a little more nimble, but not $20k CDN more. Here an A6 (saloon) starts at 32k and a Genesis is 48k (You pick the colour, there are no additional options, it seems) so for 16k you could put a lot of stuff on an A6. E Class starts at 35k 5 Series starts at 31k GS starts at 31k I wonder why car pricing varies so massively between Europeland and North America?
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Tariffs and shipping costs.
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Data Graham posted:If it's induction/RFID-based, the range can't be more than a few inches from the sensor, can it? You can set up a repeater to boost the signal from the car and pick up the key from, say, inside the house. http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/04/new-york-times-columnist-falls-prey-to-signal-repeater-car-burglary/
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Uthor posted:Tariffs and shipping costs. Yeah, but there's still a big price jump and a lot of these manufacturers build cars in the US too. I know a lot of parts still need to be shipped over, but it's a crazy price jump.
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Uthor posted:Tariffs and shipping costs.
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Cool, a lot of arguing and blathering about stuff to scroll by. Here is a turbofucked pinion gear!  For reference, next to a good gear.  The backstory is that a small hole in the diff cover was not noticed, all the oil drained out by the time the jeep left the trail and it was driven home on the highway. Parts got red hot, heat treat was reduced to nothing, and the shaft twisted without breaking as a result. Gears are normally far too hard to twist that much without snapping or twisting off.
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kastein posted:Cool, a lot of arguing and blathering about stuff to scroll by. Holy gently caress! That's quite the trophy.
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kastein posted:Here is a turbofucked pinion gear!  I'm amazed that diff made it long enough to turn into a little smelting furnace
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Data Graham posted:If it's induction/RFID-based, the range can't be more than a few inches from the sensor, can it? They're both active and passive. Under normal circumstances, they are active. The fob is transmitting to the car and the car is transmitting to the fob. That's why the owner's manual of most cars without keys say that the fob battery could be drained prematurely if it is left in close proximity to the vehicle when not in use. It CAN be read passively though. The starting procedure for my BRZ when the fob has a dead battery is to put the fob right up against the start button when pressing it. That, presumably, gets it close enough to read the thing through induction.
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Mooseykins posted:Yeah, but there's still a big price jump and a lot of these manufacturers build cars in the US too. I know a lot of parts still need to be shipped over, but it's a crazy price jump. For you, a car made in Germany is produced just over the border by people basically like you. For an American, a car made in Germany is a luxury foreign import and therefore justifies spending twice as much on the same thing even if it's made in Wisconsin. bull3964 posted:They're both active and passive. I know with Toyotas the system goes to sleep after x amount of days of inactivity and to unlock the car you either have to push the button on the fob or push the small button on the door handle which wakes up the antennas etc.
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Slavvy posted:For you, a car made in Germany is produced just over the border by people basically like you. But then a Range Rover which is also a Luxury foreign 
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kastein posted:Cool, a lot of arguing and blathering about stuff to scroll by. And thus, a rotary is born.
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Platystemon posted:What are the advantages of frameless windows? Aside from their obvious use on convertibles.  I'm on my fourth car this year. The Jimny was great on paper but spectacularly bad in practice. The very worst part of the design was having the hub sensor wires pathed where they can be scrubbed off by undergrowth. It lasted eight years in pretty rough conditions but was my practical example of the sunk cost fallacy. Once it started costing me money it just didn't stop. Could have bought a whole nother one for the eventual repair costs. Absolute favourite was cracking the chassis in 'normal' use.
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Jokes on those people. Both places are full of drunk germans. (Which explains AMC.)
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Phanatic posted:Or an abusive boyfriend, a violent assailant, etc. Not unlocking doors by default that the operator doesn't want unlocked is a pretty good design decision. Even my lovely econobox GM only unlocks the drivers door if you press the unlock button on the keyfob once. If you press it twice really quick, it'll unlock all doors. Even on cars where I've had aftermarket alarms/keyless entry installed, I've always asked that the shop wire it so that it only unlocks the drivers door on the first press. On mine, uou can also program it to lock the doors when put into gear (automatic) or once the car breaks 5 mph (manual transmission). It can also be programmed to unlock the doors when you put it in park (auto) or shut off the car (manual). The unlock was enabled when I got the car, I had to enable the locking. Instructions on how to enable/disable those features is in the owner's manual. As far as I know you can't change the behavior of the keyfob's unlock button. The only thing you can change is the way the trunk button works, and it's a physical switch in the trunk (you can disable the remote trunk pop, but it also disables the button on the lower dash that opens the trunk). I personally prefer it only unlocking one door with one keypress though - coming as a delivery guy who's had a couple of attempted robberies, and someone who's been carjacked before. One thing that is a bit annoying - if you try to lock the doors with the power door lock button while a door is open, you get 3 dings from the dash, and it locks 3-5 seconds after you close the last open door (even if it's running). You can hit it twice and it'll lock immediately, but I can easily see how that could be an issue with Phanatic's example (locking the doors that way also disables the factory alarm, so if you force a door open, the alarm doesn't go off). I don't know if the delayed locking is only on models with factory keyless entry or not, and I know the only models with the factory alarm enabled are models with keyless entry (there's no switches on the actual key cylinders, so if you lock it with the keyfob, then unlock it with the key, the car goes into HALP I'M GETTING RAPED mode after a few brief honks of the horn). bull3964 posted:It can even detect if the keys are IN the car as opposed to outside. It will prevent you from locking the keys in the car. This is a thing that has existed in some form since the 80s, at least, if you leave the key in the ignition. Every car I've owned with power locks, except for the one I have now, would not let you lock the doors if the key was in the ignition. Most of them wouldn't even let you force the lock (not using the power lock switch), the car would immediately unlock all of the doors. (yes I realize this is completely different from the RFID fobs, but still...) My 2006 GM has locked me out of the car 4 times now with the engine running. Get out of the car to make a delivery, close the door, immediately hear the click of the power locks. The first time I still had OnStar, and they were able to unlock it for me. I now carry a key in my wallet - and every time it's locked me out (including when OnStar unlocked it for me), as soon as I do get back in the car, the moment I close the doors, they immediately lock again. I've learned to leave the windows down a bit when I leave it idling during a delivery, and of course, keep a hardware store copy of the key in my wallet (much thinner than an OEM key). Whoever designed the body control module on this must have worked on Toyota's unintended acceleration ECUs.  I've seen some other odd behavior, such as the automatic headlights immediately turning off with the car occasionally (they're supposed to stay on for 30 seconds), said headlights staying on for 15+ minutes, interior lights occasionally not coming on when opening the doors (I've replaced the door switches), interior lights refusing to shut off a couple of times, etc. Also you can't turn OFF the headlights without the ignition switch being in the run position, if they've been turned on automatically by the light sensor.At least it's been mechanically reliable (oh god it's going to pop the clutch slave in the morning because I said that, isn't it?) Slavvy posted:I know with Toyotas the system goes to sleep after x amount of days of inactivity and to unlock the car you either have to push the button on the fob or push the small button on the door handle which wakes up the antennas etc. I honestly wonder how much power the keyless entry on your typical car (without RFID keyfobs) uses? My car recently sat for 5 or 6 days, and still has the original battery (which is over 10 years old as of this week). Walked up to it, keyfob unlocked it on the first try, car started right up. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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some texas redneck posted:I honestly wonder how much power the keyless entry on your typical car (without RFID keyfobs) uses? My car recently sat for 5 or 6 days, and still has the original battery (which is over 10 years old as of this week). Walked up to it, keyfob unlocked it on the first try, car started right up. Don't know about others, but Touaregs have a common fault with the keyless entry system failing and draining the battery, in many cases over night every night. Still not a huge current draw, but over 12+ hours it'll drain the battery enough that the car won't start.
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Slavvy posted:Lost count of people coming in to complain about this issue on the e46 and e90. Not frozen on from cold weather, but grabbed/jogged accidentally while closing. I've driven my E82 frameless coupe in -30 weather for years. I've never had an issue with the windows not rolling down or going back up correctly in cold weather.
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Mooseykins posted:Don't know about others, but Touaregs have a common fault with the keyless entry system failing and draining the battery, in many cases over night every night. Still not a huge current draw, but over 12+ hours it'll drain the battery enough that the car won't start. Yeah but that's VAG. The current draw is normally minute, it's about the same as the dashboard clock. The smart key module is the only one 'awake' and it wakes up everything else when it detects an unlock signal or a key within range.
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Slavvy posted:Yeah but that's VAG. Better a dead battery and electrical weirdness than bursting into flames. Can you move on now? http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/26/us/in-a-record-recall-ford-is-set-to-repair-8-million-vehicles.html
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CommieGIR posted:Better a dead battery and electrical weirdness than bursting into flames. Can you move on now? Believe me when I say I rag on ford just as much as VW, this thread just gives me less opportunity to do so  I'm surprised anyone cares about a defect in cars made over twenty years ago though.
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Slavvy posted:Believe me when I say I rag on ford just as much as VW, this thread just gives me less opportunity to do so Fair enough. 
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CommieGIR posted:Better a dead battery and electrical weirdness than bursting into flames. Can you move on now? Or firing off a defective airbag into your face ala pretty much all Japanese cars
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Slavvy posted:Believe me when I say I rag on ford just as much as VW, this thread just gives me less opportunity to do so Apparently volkswagen still does   Although it should be noted, for the 2015 model year, it's rated at 115 horsepower. Just think, that engine will live to see 3 bush presidents.
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How is this a failure? Its actually a pretty interesting engine, he had a custom ground cam and plenum made for a reverse flow 350. Not powerful or efficient, but unique in the world of hotrodding.
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I've heard of reverse flow builds in top end flatheads, it might be emulating that in a more obtainable fashion.
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Nothing complements the simplicity of a pushrod v8 like eight Keihin VBs. 
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Malpenix Blonia posted:Nothing complements the simplicity of a pushrod v8 like eight Keihin VBs. That was my first thought too.
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I see it comes with the Goatman model distributor.
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KozmoNaut posted:I see it comes with the Goatman model distributor. 
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KozmoNaut posted:I see it comes with the Goatman model distributor. 
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The goatman is like God.. its everywhere you are
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Powershift posted:Apparently volkswagen still does I got a rental Jetta with that engine. Not cool VW 
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