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SedanChair posted:Clinton/Granholm: Your Balls Are Meaningless That would be an amazing ticket just for the speechifyin' because if there's anyone I think would give Luther a run for his money it's Granholm. (She's the one who went on stage at the DNC like she'd snorted a rail of coke and dropped three jagerbombs immediately prior and started yelling about how the GOP are all shitters, right?)
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No, no! It's CLIN-ton, CAS-tro, CLIN-ton, CAS-tro. Ha ha.
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AndNowMax posted:Why does Hilary need to bring new blood into Washington politics? How does that help her campaign? I went to a Hillary grassroots organizational meeting, and it was dominated by women, minorities, and people younger than me (I'm a Millennial). There was like one white guy who wasn't a campaign staffer/party official. Picking someone like Castro certainly cements Hillary's edge with the "Obama Coalition" and would keep them engaged. Feral_Shofixti posted:Hey, at least Cuccinelli lost. Between the last four senate races, the last two presidential elections, and the last three non-felon governors, I'm OK with either Kaine or Warner being Hillary's veep - pretty sure we'll get a friendly to replace him. Yeah, both (AG) Herring and (Lt Gov) Northam are pretty solid guys who I think would have a decent shot in a Senate race. I also suspect it'd be a rather different kind of special election, coming right after a Presidential race where VA was a key swing state and with control of the Senate potentially on the line. Feral_Shofixti posted:E: Gerrymandering is a hell of a thing. Several years ago, when driving to work, I entered Frank Wolf (now Barbara Comstock)'s district no fewer than three different times each way. Yeah, they really had to screw with the Fairfax parts of it to keep it R+2. It's a real delicate balance in VA where there are like 4 seats between R+2 and R+4.
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Leviathan Song posted:Why would Hillary ever pick Chafee when Brad Henry is available? He was an extremely popular governor running as a Democrat in Oklahoma. He would still be governor if he hadn't been term limited to leave in 2011. The democrats have plenty of conservative white men on their side. That's an entirely valid point and probably correct. I get the impression she wants to be viewed as a centrist though and I can see her going to extremes to do it.
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mdemone posted:Can you imagine what American politics will look like in 2032 if this country has just elected its first black, female, and Latino presidents consecutively? Confused Republicans attempt to recruit increasingly-obscure minorities to run for the Presidency. After being rebuffed by potential native-american and polynesian candidates, the RNC recruits a mildly-successful Hmong lawyer from Seattle, who wins but turns out to be a socialist. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 17:06
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mugrim posted:That's an entirely valid point and probably correct. I get the impression she wants to be viewed as a centrist though and I can see her going to extremes to do it. Her campaign rhetoric would suggest differently--she's gone about as "eat the rich" as I've ever heard Hillary go. The cynic in me says that she's doing it to crowd Bernie and O'Malley out early by co-opting their economic positions, but it's nice to hear.
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Jun 2, 2015 17:12
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Alter Ego posted:Her campaign rhetoric would suggest differently--she's gone about as "eat the rich" as I've ever heard Hillary go. The cynic in me says that she's doing it to crowd Bernie and O'Malley out early by co-opting their economic positions, but it's nice to hear. If she does co-opt their economic positions, then Bernie will have accomplished exactly what I wanted him to--push Hillary left.
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Alter Ego posted:Her campaign rhetoric would suggest differently--she's gone about as "eat the rich" as I've ever heard Hillary go. The cynic in me says that she's doing it to crowd Bernie and O'Malley out early by co-opting their economic positions, but it's nice to hear.
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Jun 2, 2015 17:22
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Cantorsdust posted:If she does co-opt their economic positions, then Bernie will have accomplished exactly what I wanted him to--push Hillary left. Until of course she swings back to center after the nomination/election.
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Skeevy Mcgee posted:No, no! It's CLIN-ton, CAS-tro, CLIN-ton, CAS-tro. Ha ha. a good post
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FMguru posted:It's an interesting contrast to the 1990s (when Bill Clinton ran as a third-way triangulator and took every opportunity possible to punch hippies to show he wasn't one of Those Liberal Democrats) and the 2000s (where John Kerry ran on his military service and Barack Obama ran on bipartisan bringing-both-sides-together-ism). I'm sure Clinton is doing this because she figures the biggest threat to her getting the nomination is someone to the left of her getting traction so she's trying to foreclose that, but even so it's a measure of how the political landscape is changing. His first election was fairly lefty / populist economically, it wasn't till he got into office that he started swinging to the right. He ran on raising taxes and expanding government spending. Then he got in, Greenspan said "  " and his tune changed pretty quickly.
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tsa posted:His first election was fairly lefty / populist economically, it wasn't till he got into office that he started swinging to the right. He ran on raising taxes and expanding government spending. Then he got in, Greenspan said " I think something might have happened in 1994 as well to encourage triangulation.
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tsa posted:His first election was fairly lefty / populist economically, it wasn't till he got into office that he started swinging to the right. He ran on raising taxes and expanding government spending. Then he got in, Greenspan said "
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mdemone posted:Can you imagine what American politics will look like in 2032 if this country has just elected its first black, female, and Latino presidents consecutively? I think you mean black, latino, woman - Obama, Rubio, Minaj
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Jun 2, 2015 17:48
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Alter Ego posted:Her campaign rhetoric would suggest differently--she's gone about as "eat the rich" as I've ever heard Hillary go. It's fallen completely flat and no one believes her anymore but yes, she's been saying those things.
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Jun 2, 2015 17:50
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Huckabee wishes he was transgender http://www.mediaite.com/online/huckabee-jokes-about-pretending-to-be-transgender-to-shower-with-girls/ quote:“Simply recognize that the fact that we are now in city after city watching ordinances say that your seven-year-old daughter, if she goes into the restroom cannot be offended and you can’t be offended if she’s greeted there by a 42-year-old man who feels more like a woman than he does a man.”
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Huckabee on Transgender Disregarding a minority while simultaneously sounding like a rapist? Why haven't I been following this thread more closely?
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Cantorsdust posted:If she does co-opt their economic positions, then Bernie will have accomplished exactly what I wanted him to--push Hillary left. tsa posted:Until of course she swings back to center after the nomination/election. This is one of those things that confuses me. A lot of people are talking about how Bernie running and not getting the nomination is still good because it pushes Hilary left, but how does it actually do that? It might make Hillary's rhetoric more left, but how in any way does it force her actual policy and implementation leftward? We've already seen that a candidate can have plenty of good rhetoric about abolishing the corrupt status quo of Wall Street and single payer for all and not even pretend to attempt those things when they actually get into office (Obama). What actually makes Hilary do it? Certainly not promises she made on the campaign trail just to secure the nomination. The only thing potentially good part of Bernie running is if he succeeds in building an organized mass movement around his campaign that persists after he's done.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Huckabee wishes he was transgender Love how Huckabee's main thought about trans issues is "how could I use this to perv on girls?".
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Uranium Phoenix posted:This is one of those things that confuses me. A lot of people are talking about how Bernie running and not getting the nomination is still good because it pushes Hilary left, but how does it actually do that? It might make Hillary's rhetoric more left, but how in any way does it force her actual policy and implementation leftward? We've already seen that a candidate can have plenty of good rhetoric about abolishing the corrupt status quo of Wall Street and single payer for all and not even pretend to attempt those things when they actually get into office (Obama). What actually makes Hilary do it? Certainly not promises she made on the campaign trail just to secure the nomination. Shifting the overton window and the topics under debate. Occupy was a success in that it got income inequality to essentially replace DEFICIT BAD in the media, and Bernie's candidacy has similar potential to reshape the debate. Mechanically, Republicans will attack Hillary over those new left wing positions, forcing her to defend them, shifting policy priorities, etc. Or hell, maybe he wins. Already more popular than any Republican.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Huckabee wishes he was transgender Heard this story plenty in the 80's and 90's, it was a pretty common joke. Unfortunately for Huck, it's 2015 now. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Or hell, maybe he wins. Already more popular than any Republican. Not sure how the media would handle Bernie getting the nomination. FoxNews, sure, they're obvious, but the rest of the media would be so confused they would probably just run weeks of stories about how baffling it was that Clinton lost and not even talk about Bernie at all. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Shifting the overton window and the topics under debate. Occupy was a success in that it got income inequality to essentially replace DEFICIT BAD in the media, and Bernie's candidacy has similar potential to reshape the debate.
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Sir Tonk posted:Heard this story plenty in the 80's and 90's, it was a pretty common joke. To be fair, even the feminist community has a faction that feels the same way wrt safe spaces. So it seems a bit disingenuous to expect Republicans to somehow be more progressive.
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I'm curious if Julian Castro being tapped for VP would help or hinder his future political ambitions. A Dem president being elected for 16+ years seems hard to imagine and I can't recall anyone using the VP spot to vault into anything other than the presidency. He might be able to challenge Cruz for his seat in 2018.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:This is one of those things that confuses me. A lot of people are talking about how Bernie running and not getting the nomination is still good because it pushes Hilary left, but how does it actually do that? It might make Hillary's rhetoric more left, but how in any way does it force her actual policy and implementation leftward? We've already seen that a candidate can have plenty of good rhetoric about abolishing the corrupt status quo of Wall Street and single payer for all and not even pretend to attempt those things when they actually get into office (Obama). What actually makes Hilary do it? Certainly not promises she made on the campaign trail just to secure the nomination. She won't be able to move all the way back to the center after the primaries, she'll still be running in the general election to the left of where she'd be if she had run against Joe Lieberman and Harold Ford in the primary. Plus it provides some measure of cover in the sense that it's hard for Republicans to paint Hillary as the liberalist liberal who ever liberaled when we all just saw Bernie Sanders on our TV sets. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Shifting the overton window and the topics under debate. Occupy was a success in that it got income inequality to essentially replace DEFICIT BAD in the media, and Bernie's candidacy has similar potential to reshape the debate. If you think Hillary's completely driven by what she thinks will look good or be popular, then this is even more of a plus - she'll be governing in an environment where voters and politicos are primed to care more about liberal issues. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Or hell, maybe he wins. Already more popular than any Republican. Only because there are 17 Republican candidates, when that field narrows down to 3-5 guys, someone will be in the 30s. Bernie's ceiling is really probably 40% or so of Democrats, and he's unlikely to hit that ceiling unless he literally wins the lottery so he can fund a serious campaign.
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It is not really unusual to believe the Dems will control the presidency for the next 16 years.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:single payer for all Obama never promised that in 2008. Not even close.
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Nonsense posted:It is not really unusual to believe the Dems will control the presidency for the next 16 years. I mean with incumbency rates the only coin flip is the upcoming election. What happened from 1972-1992 was more of an aberration than anything else.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Shifting the overton window and the topics under debate. Occupy was a success in that it got income inequality to essentially replace DEFICIT BAD in the media, and Bernie's candidacy has similar potential to reshape the debate. Defending those positions and moving the overton window still doesn't actually force Hilary to implement any of those policies, just as Occupy changing the debate didn't actually force any real progressive legislation or executive actions, or even begin to cause the systemic corruption on Wall Street to be addressed. While there's value in changing narratives and Bernie is certainly going to make certain ideas more mainstream, he didn't need to do that from inside the Democratic party.
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I agree that Congress is just some kind of cosmic cube that is uncontrollable at any given time, but the WH is a serious position and if only jokers apply, the Dems will be comfortable.
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PupsOfWar posted:Confused Republicans attempt to recruit increasingly-obscure minorities to run for the Presidency. ... so that's how we get President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. More seriously, you know, there are a bunch of perfectly good reasons for Hillary to go Eat the Rich. Or at least Drink the Kochs. I mean, face it, the right wing richbois haven't been her friends any. The left wing ones are probably a little bit okay with slightly higher taxes to do good things. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 18:27
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computer parts posted:I mean with incumbency rates the only coin flip is the upcoming election. What happened from 1972-1992 was more of an aberration than anything else. Not really. Realignments are an integral part of the two party system.
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comes along bort posted:Not really. Realignments are an integral part of the two party system. What are the notable realignments prior to the 1960s?
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When was the last time Democrats in general ran to the left of each other in the primary, '84? '88?
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comes along bort posted:Not really. Realignments are an integral part of the two party system. - A polysci professor in the 90's.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:To be fair, even the feminist community has a faction that feels the same way wrt safe spaces. The problem with Huck's statement wasn't the argument that some creepers will lie in order to get to hang out in the women's showers or bathroom. It's that he said he wished he'd gotten in on the creeper gig.
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Firebert posted:A Dem president being elected for 16+ years seems hard to imagine One party holding the Presidency for 16+ years has happened four times. The Republicans held the presidency from 1861-1933, broken only up by Johnson (who wasn't even elected), Cleveland and Wilson - 52 of 72 years. There is absolutely nothing saying that the Dems can't have a similar run. Though yeah, VP seems to be a dead end for anything except the Presidency. The last one to go back into office afterwards was Hubert Humphrey.
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computer parts posted:What are the notable realignments prior to the 1960s? The big one is Democrats solidifying themselves as an urban northeastern party with a sizable rural southern wing with FDR. But Lincoln and Jackson's elections are the other commonly cited events. Nonsense posted:- A polysci professor in the 90's. Heh. It's a nebulous term that gets abused but until someone comes up with a better way to describe the continual shift of coalitions over time it's what we're stuck with. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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How are we not mentioning Ted Strickland as VP? Sure, he's an old white dude. But he's a (relatively popular, from personal experience) former governor from Ohio who lost to John Kasich in the 2010 wave. Ohio had the 5th fastest growing economy in the U.S. under Strickland during the recession and Kasich promptly blew it all up (we're 47th now, I think) during a recovery. He's pro-gun (which is, for some reason, anecdotally a weakness for Hillary in Ohio) and backed her early in 2008. He's also still politically active if not somewhat Blue Doggish I'd say he's one of the few people who can come to a swing state and literally say that Democratic ideas were working and the Republicans came and sent the whole thing to poo poo.
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