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Redmark posted:If the obvious main-character relationship is enforced by the end, is it still a harem? Not trying to defend anything here, just curious. I thought harem implied a lack of resolution. Nah, I think. The few harems -- literally 2 -- I stomached when I was dumb teen usually ended with the main character getting together with the girl everyone expected him to get with. Funny, but hosed up thing in one of the most famous ones he literally picks a different girl when they force him to choose and they keep telling him "no, pick her" until he goes through all of the harem and picks the one he was supposed to get with. Fake Edit: Then again, Tenchi Muyo never really ended with resolution except for the TV series one I saw on Toonami.
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Captain Invictus posted:Funny thing, just the insinuation of "harem" is enough to turn a lot of people off from a series, enough to not even give it a chance. Many folks I've recommended it to see the cast and immediately discount it because of the negative connotations of the genre. It's why I don't consider it one, because it's better than that. But hey, think what you will. That's not how genres work. E: like this is you doing the goon thing of "X is bad, but I like Y, so Y can't be X." Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Cool. I'm not going to keep fighting this fight. I don't consider it a harem, you do. Keep on truckin'.
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Jun 2, 2015 04:57
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Most commonly, X is anime and Y is Cowboy Bebop, Persona, or whatever
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Captain Invictus posted:Funny thing, just the insinuation of "harem" is enough to turn a lot of people off from a series, enough to not even give it a chance. Many folks I've recommended it to see the cast and immediately discount it because of the negative connotations of the genre. It's why I don't consider it one, because it's better than that. But hey, think what you will. 
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Jun 2, 2015 05:02
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It's "harem" because there is one guy and a bunch of women. This is the definition of a harem anime. This series separates itself from other "traditional" harem animes/manga by not following the conventions of it's predecessors, and sometimes playing with and upending them for laughs, and follows somewhat more traditional romcom formula while also playing with those conventions. If a friend asked me about the series, I would probably not mention "harem" because of the aforementioned negative connotations and stereotypes. So, it's not a "harem" anime in the sense that it follows all the conventions and "tropes" of harem anime, it's a harem anime because a harem has more or less a distinct definition, that of one guy surrounded by many women, some of whom may or may not be romantically involved with the singular male protagonist.
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Don't be a poo poo, Rodyle.YF19pilot posted:It's "harem" because there is one guy and a bunch of women. This is the definition of a harem anime. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 05:03
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This conversation is haram.
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Captain Invictus posted:Mmmm, no. I don't consider a love triangle to be a harem. He already rejected Mikan, she's just not taking it well. Don't need to be a poo poo, Rodyle. Captain Invictus posted:Cool. I'm not going to keep fighting this fight. I don't consider it a harem, you do. Keep on truckin'.
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Zeruel posted:This conversation is haram.
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The argument is basically done, but Ah My Goddess is considered a harem when all of 1 girl, maybe 2 if you want to stretch it were into the dude. So yeah, an guy/girl surrounded by the opposite gender is the definition of a harem.
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Jun 2, 2015 05:19
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Weird! I always considered a harem where the one dude had a bunch of girls who wanted to jump his bones. Guess that's not the case.
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Jun 2, 2015 05:23
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Ironic too considering Ah My Goddess is one of the staple ones where a lot of cliches got copied. Most of the other cliches probably came from Urusei Yatsura and Ranma.
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Haha! "What is or is not a harem" is probably one of the gooniest, spergiest, most pedantic arguments I've ever seen on this forum!  ADTRW delivers again!EDIT: Content! YF19pilot posted:I agree with both of you, and I think that it's what sets both our protagonist and the writer apart from the chaff. Oh gosh, yeah. You've pretty neatly summed up why I think it's a great character-defining moment. And it's awesome that it doesn't feel one-sided. Like, we're not just getting it from Aizawa's perspective, we're also getting it from Kuromine's. And that's so cool, the awful part of every single harem/romcom series except this one, is the fact that the protagonist is always this blank cardboard cutout sort of everyman loser nice guy. It's great to have this moment as a way to show not just how Aizawa's grown as a character, but Kuromine as well. It's pretty much the best confession ever. DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 05:50
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DrSunshine posted:Haha! "What is or is not a harem" is probably one of the gooniest, spergiest, most pedantic arguments I've ever seen on this forum! 
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Zeruel posted:This conversation is haram. Yeah, none of this dumb argument is kosher.
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Jun 2, 2015 06:02
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Is haram like the opposite of halal?
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Jun 2, 2015 06:05
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Is haram like the opposite of halal? Absolutely.  
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What have I done? For the record, I didn't consider this a harem because it lacks the fanservice and pandering I usually associate with the genre, as well as the fact that Asahi is definitely in love with Youko, instead of there being a lot of 'would they/wouldn't they' moments with the other girls. That's all  ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Is haram like the opposite of halal? Yep.
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DrSunshine posted:Haha! "What is or is not a harem" is probably one of the gooniest, spergiest, most pedantic arguments I've ever seen on this forum! For me the only point that really matters is what Invictus said: neither the series nor its readership stands to gain anything from classifying it as a 'harem', so who gives a poo poo whether it technically fits the bill or not? It's not like we're at a loss for what to call it, it already fits into a number of other categories that are plenty adequate to describe everything that's good about it. Quibbling over proper anime taxonomy just for its own sake is best left to librarians, or the kind of fans who use the term 'normie' unironically. Cathair fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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The major difference between Asahi and the protagonists of other harem comedies is that Asahi knows who he wants to be with. Most of the time it's a bunch of girls the guy doesn't even know fighting at him for bizarre reasons. The result is the ambivalent protagonist becomes hapless and hijinks ensue. Asahi is also hapless, but he's not emotionally hapless. He just has the misfortune to live in a world where everyone is cute and dumb.
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Cathair posted:For me the only point that really matters is what Invictus said: neither the series nor its readership stands to gain anything from classifying it as a 'harem', so who gives a poo poo whether it technically fits the bill or not? It's not like we're at a loss for what to call it, it already fits into a number of other categories that are plenty adequate to describe everything that's good about it. Quibbling over proper anime taxonomy just for its own sake is best left to librarians, or the kind of fans who use the term 'normie' unironically. Oh, you mean like "tropers"? Crap, I need to take a shower now, try to wash off the shame.
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Wittgen posted:The major difference between Asahi and the protagonists of other harem comedies is that Asahi knows who he wants to be with. This is only true half the time though. A good chunk of protagonists do know who they want to be with, and either don't due to contrived circumstances or they're very dumb. It's a pretty common premise where there's a girl the dude likes, and then a bunch more girls pop up that confuses the issue, examples including Nisekoi, To-love-ru, etc. Urusei Yatsura practically started off that way before Takahashi realized that Lum was the better pairing. Allarion fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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YF19pilot posted:Oh, you mean like "tropers"? My shame is knowing I've read too many harem manga, most of them mediocre or bad. They're all just RomComs with slightly convoluted love triangles though.
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I remember like 1 other harem manga that I liked reading for awhile. Umi no Misaki or whatever. At some point I just stopped reading and then got too lazy to figure out where I left off but apparently poo poo got sorta dark before concluding with a harem ending?
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I remember like 1 other harem manga that I liked reading for awhile. Umi no Misaki or whatever. At some point I just stopped reading and then got too lazy to figure out where I left off but apparently poo poo got sorta dark before concluding with a harem ending? Yeah pretty much. I didn't actually like that one that much, but I wasn't a big fan of Ai Yori Aoshi either.
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Allarion posted:The argument is basically done, but Ah My Goddess is considered a harem when all of 1 girl, maybe 2 if you want to stretch it were into the dude. So yeah, an guy/girl surrounded by the opposite gender is the definition of a harem.
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Nate RFB posted:Eeeeeh I know this argument has been kind of beaten into the ground already but I'd say it's a stretch with AMG, it really was more usually just called a romantic comedy. It had a semblance of a single love triangle with the MC for maybe 5 years of its 26 year run. True, though arguably its early chapters did end up influencing the genre. That it became its own thing isn't too odd since it was one of the early ones before the formula was more solidified.
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My Monster Secret is totally a harem tho (and pretty good).
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Yona is a shoujo harem and it is hella good.
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Terper posted:Yona is a shoujo harem and it is hella good. Want to emptyquote this.  Hak
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Jun 2, 2015 14:26
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Jitsu wa can't be a harem; it's already a circus!
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Jun 2, 2015 14:46
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This is a dumb conversation... and not cute at all!  Make it cute and you can continue with the back and forth between the Harem / Not Harem camps.
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Wark Say posted:This is a dumb conversation... and not cute at all! Listen, no one wants to hear a bunch of goons argue about harem anime AND end all their statements with -desu and -de gozaru.
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Jun 2, 2015 18:04
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Wark Say posted:This is a dumb conversation... and not cute at all! 
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Jun 2, 2015 18:10
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Ranma only ever had eyes for Akane, and if you argue that Ranma 1/2 wasn't a harem series I will call you a nerd de gozaru
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Jun 2, 2015 18:31
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Akane is actually the one with the harem.
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Covok posted:Listen, no one wants to hear a bunch of goons argue about harem anime AND end all their statements with -desu and -de gozaru. For some reason, this post is extra cute. No idea why.
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I wonder if MMS will be popular enough once it gets its anime and English release to see cosplayers at Comic-Con cosplaying as Eye Scream Kuromine?
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:For some reason, this post is extra cute. No idea why. Strange, I can only wonder why-desu. Also, found this while trying to see if Eye Scream Kuromine cosplay already existed:  I never noticed that. ...de gozaru.
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