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Wiz posted:The game is actually significantly faster than before and you should probably stop pretending that you know better than the developers what will and will create significant slowdowns. The idea that Central Asia will cause CK2 any significant slowdown can trace its origins squarely to your rear end. OHHHHHHH poo poo son. You just got Paradoxx'ed. Seriously tho, what was it that was causing slowdown issues in CK2, and how precisely did you fix them? I am interested to know, since so many people have pontificated on it, but it seems like nobody really knows what it was causing it except you guys.
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Wiz posted:The game is actually significantly faster than before and you should probably stop pretending that you know better than the developers what will and will create significant slowdowns. The idea that Central Asia will cause CK2 any significant slowdown can trace its origins squarely to your rear end. That's great news but I don't think anyone posted it here before today. The game did slow down after Rajas so it wasn't exactly an unfair assumption.
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I've gone into great details on my optimizations on the Paradox forums but in essence, all Greek rulers don't try to castrate everyone in the realm anymore every day(and similar situations) have been fixed. It stood for 70% of AI calculations together with fatwa On the craptop I was running a year went by under 20 seconds. Late game was about a minute. Think these measurements are a bit more than a month old. I'll see if I can give some new numbers later today. (to be clear, SoI and LoR caused more of a slowdown than RoI which is what I've primarily optimized this patch) Groogy fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Wiz posted:The game is actually significantly faster than before and you should probably stop pretending that you know better than the developers what will and will create significant slowdowns. The idea that Central Asia will cause CK2 any significant slowdown can trace its origins squarely to your rear end. I hope you posted this on the Paradox forums.
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Jun 2, 2015 19:38
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Another Person posted:OHHHHHHH poo poo son. You just got Paradoxx'ed. If you were to say something like "If Paradox doesn't make XYZ before 2015, ban me", would that be called Paratoxxing? 
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Groogy posted:I've gone into great details on my optimizations on the Paradox forums but in essence, all Greek rulers don't try to castrate everyone in the realm anymore every day(and similar situations) have been fixed. It stood for 70% of AI calculations together with fatwa So these tweaks will be with the patch that comes with the expansion. Because that sounds great and will suck to wait.
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Jun 2, 2015 20:18
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I don't think I'll be horsing around much with this new DLC, the game almost killed me twice already. Unthinkable hordes of great gaming hours was more than I could take.
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Hopefully the steppe hordes wont be locked in to elective gavelkind or something equally punishing. Really ruined tribes for me that you can't even use a special succession type unless you're Muslim.
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Jun 2, 2015 20:24
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DrSunshine posted:If you were to say something like "If Paradox doesn't make XYZ before 2015, ban me", would that be called Paratoxxing? It would be called a useless bet since all 13.7 billion years of "before 2015" have already happened
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Freudian posted:It would be called a useless bet since all 13.7 billion years of "before 2015" have already happened If paradox doesn't release Sword of Islam before 2015 ban me.
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Jun 2, 2015 20:31
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The silk road mechanic in particular is really interesting. It'd be cool to control it as a republic.
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Groogy posted:all Greek rulers don't try to castrate everyone in the realm anymore every day fuckin lmao
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Sorry Wiz, I'm going to have to break up with EU4 for a while when this comes out 
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Volkerball posted:The silk road mechanic in particular is really interesting. It'd be cool to control it as a republic. Come on land merchants. Do we get proper Russian principalities now?
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Cool enough; the steps were hugely wasted considering how interesting they were before. Please fix the Bolghars though; they a bit poo poo as is. And just please Africa. Nothing specific, just please. Please. Cut it out, improve it, just don't let it lie there like a rotten appendix on the body of CK2 only lying there to remind you that sometimes you can't have nice things.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I love how Paradox has supported CK2 but please don't pull a The Sims and release CK3 without any of these features 3 years from now. I think that EU4's launch shows they have a decent track record in this regard-- or at least I can''t think of anything huge from EU3's expansions that was missing in EU4.
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Rincewind posted:I think that EU4's launch shows they have a decent track record in this regard-- or at least I can''t think of anything huge from EU3's expansions that was missing in EU4. I'm going to do a lit review out of my butt and confidently declare with no backing that each time they release (EU | CK ) (current version + 1) they look through all the features and keep/rebalance the ones that worked and ditch the ones that didn't and then DLC-iterate from there.
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evilmiera posted:I don't think I'll be horsing around much with this new DLC, the game almost killed me twice already. Unthinkable hordes of great gaming hours was more than I could take. I agree. I don't think the engine really behooves this type of playstyle, so I'll be sticking with the mane game. I vote neigh on this DLC.
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There's horses in it
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On my home computer without autosaves 1400 savegame, this is the numbers I got Version 2.3.4: ~1:40 seconds, Version 2.4: ~1:10 seconds Next step I guess is to look at autosave speed. Running on a Intel Core i5-3570k 3.40 Ghz(4 cores) e: Did a quick compare with my old logs from work because I felt my computer at home was a bit slower and the multi threaded update of characters is hogging most of the performance while at work where I have 8 cores its completely different result. So if you have an i7 I expect you will have even better performance. Groogy fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:Edit: I will repeat that some kind of utility that goes through a savefile and cleans out all the useless courtiers (which by 200 years in must be 75% of the characters) would tremendously help alleviate this problem and would easily be worth dropping Someone appears to have done this or at least taken the first steps towards it. I still think it's a red herring but no harm in trying, is there? (there may, in fact, be harm in trying, so take baclups).
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on and it's baffling that this doesn't already exist.
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This might get lost in the Horse chat, but after crushing a revolt, what do you do with the captured vassals? It seems a bit weird that stripping a traitor of their titles is seen as tyrannical. e: Just seen the 'as Duke Suchandsuch is a traitor, our vassals won't care', text. I'm a fool.
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 With the fall of the decadent Italians the Catholics have finally been exterminated!
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Walton Simons posted:This might get lost in the Horse chat, but after crushing a revolt, what do you do with the captured vassals? It seems a bit weird that stripping a traitor of their titles is seen as tyrannical. The lovely part is that only works on one title. Which loving sucks if you inherent super dukes.
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Groogy, is the new patch/expansion going to stop this from happening every time my leader dies?
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Vichan posted:
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Ooh, Steppe tribes mean more mechanics for the Dothraki in the GoT mod. Maybe transplant some asian stuff into Yi Ti. The symbiotic relationship between CK2 DLC and the GoT mod is something all smart devs should be paying attention to.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The lovely part is that only works on one title. Sometimes a superduke can be such a loving rear end in a top hat that you get tempted to use your Chancellor to fabricate a claim on one of your own vassals (no tyranny if you have a strong claim on the title you're revoking).
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Eric the Mauve posted:Sometimes a superduke can be such a loving rear end in a top hat that you get tempted to use your Chancellor to fabricate a claim on one of your own vassals (no tyranny if you have a strong claim on the title you're revoking). In situations like that I just eat the tyranny malus to cut him down to size. The opinion hit is gross but not unmanageable if youre cautious to keep military action limited in scope and have a free hand with gifts and honorary titles.
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Eric the Mauve posted:no tyranny if you have a strong claim on the title you're revoking. drat, seriously? I have a couple dukes I need to knock down a peg so that will be super helpful.
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SeaTard posted:Did you use a claim CB on the republic title? That seems to sometimes screw things up, as does a CB that destroys the title, but you then recreate it before the end of the month. No, conquest, which functions as a mini holy war I think. I had the same issue once when I holy warred Sicily, and Amalfi bugged. But I'm almost 100% sure I did a county conquest on independent genoa in that game, and genoa disappeared as designed, so you'd think doing a county conquest on the HRE for genoa would have the same effect. I force crashed the game so I'm going to try again and hope it's kind of a coin toss type deal, but I'm not optimistic.
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The Great Khan title should give you the ability to have vassal emperors imo.
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Volkerball posted:The Great Khan title should give you the ability to have vassal emperors imo. Vassal emperors sound like such an incredible pain in the rear end for a variety of reasons, I'm not sure I'd bother with them even if it was an option.
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paranoid randroid posted:Vassal emperors sound like such an incredible pain in the rear end for a variety of reasons, I'm not sure I'd bother with them even if it was an option. You obviously wouldn't be a good Genghis anyways. 
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The Khanate's succession plan was such a hilariously poorly thought out plan that I hope they use it to make the gavelkind tears seem like nothing.
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Genghis never had to sit around with lovely realm laws because his dumbfuck vassal emperors couldn't stop having rebellions break out annually. Because Genghis was smart and had royals rolled up in carpets and trampled with horses. His tyranny penalties were outweighed by his gigantic I Will loving Destroy You opinion bonus.
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paranoid randroid posted:Genghis never had to sit around with lovely realm laws because his dumbfuck vassal emperors couldn't stop having rebellions break out annually. Because Genghis was smart and had royals rolled up in carpets and trampled with horses. His tyranny penalties were outweighed by his gigantic I Will loving Destroy You opinion bonus. That's what the "I have decided gently caress him and everyone he knows" CB is for. I wonder if we'll get any sweet new 7 holding provinces in the far east. Karakorum should be sweet.
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paranoid randroid posted:Because Genghis was smart and had royals rolled up in carpets and trampled with horses. His tyranny penalties were outweighed by his gigantic I Will loving Destroy You opinion bonus. I still live in hope that Paradox somehow implements "fear" bonuses as a partial counter to "tyranny" or "dishonourable" penalties .
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I want incredibly ahistorical Xiongnu remnants.Dallan Invictus posted:I still live in hope that Paradox somehow implements "fear" bonuses as a partial counter to "tyranny" or "dishonourable" penalties . "I just executed every duke from here to the Danube and I've got ten more in the dungeons. The gently caress is this poo poo about 'lower crown authority'?."
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CharlestheHammer posted:The Khanate's succession plan was such a hilariously poorly thought out plan that I hope they use it to make the gavelkind tears seem like nothing. What was the Khanate's succession like?
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