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To be honest that's really not true. Goons love to say that and in some cases that may be how they really feel, but everybody has people who they watch the LPs of primarily because they like the person doing the LP. There's nothing WRONG with that or anything, I mean you can't control the reasons why you like something or someone, it's just that the general opinion, when you ask for it, says that the LP should be about the game primarily when that doesn't necessarily have to be true. I'm no exception; there are lots of let's plays that I watch primarily because I like the person doing the LP first and the game second. Now, that doesn't mean that the game should just be background noise with the people talking about whatever a la Game Grumps because that kind of defeats the point of SA having standards of quality entirely. But it's pertinently false that the LP HAS to be about the game first and not the LPer for people on SA to like or tolerate or enjoy it. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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I think it's useful as a piece of advice to people starting out, in that you shouldn't try to force a personality, and that if you focus on the game then you can let your personality come out more organically. But certainly there are plenty of LPers I watch chiefly because I think they're fun to watch, and if I learn about the game they're playing then that's a bonus.
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Jun 2, 2015 22:31
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Well, yeah, forcing anything about the LP will make it crappy and make people hate you. It's gotta be natural, like a nice, hairy chest or back. Hopefully my aforementioned playthrough of Spec Ops: The Line will be as hairy back-y as I hope it turns out I dunno I haven't even recorded it yet cough cough
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Jun 2, 2015 22:32
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Really I think it's that what people are actually looking for in an LP isn't entirely straightforward to articulate, so people tend to fall back on "it should be about the game" as the standard explanation, even though it's clearly not the entire truth and ultimately probably not a great explanation. That being said I don't know how to explain it. I feel like there is a qualitative difference, but damned if I can put it into words.
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Jun 2, 2015 22:35
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Golden Goat posted:"Once you run out of respawn tokens you have to restart the entire bloody level" To be fair, the way the game plays out and handles its respawn system is really baffling and frustrating, and the levels seem annoying long for such a system. You start out with 0 respawn tokens. You earn them only by completing optional objectives (kill everyone in a specific locations) that you receive by wandering into the vicinity of an objective, so you won't even know the objective is available until you stumble upon it. Complete it, now you have a respawn token. If you die, it looks like the respawn sends you to the location to completed the objective at, so you could be sent far away from where you died. His video lasted almost a half hour and he didn't even appear to finish the one level he played. And he was playing on easy. He might not have been trying to hard since it was just an impressions video, but that seemed pretty damning that it wasn't a very good system.
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Jun 2, 2015 22:41
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Really I think it's that what people are actually looking for in an LP isn't entirely straightforward to articulate, so people tend to fall back on "it should be about the game" as the standard explanation, even though it's clearly not the entire truth and ultimately probably not a great explanation. That being said I don't know how to explain it. I feel like there is a qualitative difference, but damned if I can put it into words.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:04
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Jamesman posted:To be fair, the way the game plays out and handles its respawn system is really baffling and frustrating, and the levels seem annoying long for such a system. The optional objectives are marked on the radar. They're the little white icons.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:09
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Really I think it's that what people are actually looking for in an LP isn't entirely straightforward to articulate, so people tend to fall back on "it should be about the game" as the standard explanation, even though it's clearly not the entire truth and ultimately probably not a great explanation. That being said I don't know how to explain it. I feel like there is a qualitative difference, but damned if I can put it into words. You could probably identify a half-dozen different things people look for in LPs. There's the personality stuff, the "people shooting the poo poo" style, the "skill run" or "informative" style, probably others I can't even think of. Usually when "it's about the game first" comes up I think "Informative" and that's the kind I go for, generally. I guess a useful starting point would be to identify these more properly. It would at least make searching for LPs easier.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:14
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Golden Goat posted:"Once you run out of respawn tokens you have to restart the entire bloody level" What are checkpoints?
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Really I think for me the point where I lose interest is when the player seems to just not care about the game at all. As if the game is entirely incidental to what's going on. Whether or not I'll watch is still up to whether the LPer is doing something interesting with it or not, and a lot of that is personality, but if all I wanted was variety comedy I'd be watching a panel show or something. Make the game part of it one way or another, yo. I guess that's why I find Game Grumps so insufferable... half the time it seems they just don't give a poo poo about what they're playing and just want to make fart jokes.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:27
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I used to watch LPs/streams because of the person doing them, but at this point I can't stand to watch unless I have an interest in the game they're playing, the only exceptions being TieTuesday and Supergreatfriend.
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Cheez posted:Those first two still focused on the games. They were fun to watch because their style complemented the game and they didn't try to overshadow it. Among other things, the freelance astronauts thing was mostly multiplayer games, where it was entirely natural in the first place. agreed thats why each of them kept having lots of views and fans was because they picked very good games. it was the games people were interested in, not the groups, they just happened to keep picking th exact games people wanted to watch everytime. or people liked them as groups regardless of the games they played and SA is just the same as youtube because we are all human idiots...
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Jun 3, 2015 12:17
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Stux posted:agreed thats why each of them kept having lots of views and fans was because they picked very good games. it was the games people were interested in, not the groups, they just happened to keep picking th exact games people wanted to watch everytime. What a wonderful website.
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Jun 3, 2015 12:27
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, SA is better. It's better than YouTube. It's better than Twitter. It's better than Tumblr. It's better than Reddit. It's better than 4chan. It's better than FARK. It's better than Ebaumsworld. It's better than YTMND. It's better than GameFAQs. It's better. We're better for posting on it. We're better and our site is better and it's okay and good to wrap our identities up in it, to make this website the whole of our selves and the thing that sets us apart and makes us unique and allows us to look down on all the more successful, happier people we deal with every day. I'm sort of surprised how many people add _____SA to the end (or start sometimes) or their usernames on other platforms, to the point that I think I even saw somebody do it for an SA account. 
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Jun 3, 2015 12:31
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, SA is better. It's better than YouTube. It's better than Twitter. It's better than Tumblr. It's better than Reddit. It's better than 4chan. It's better than FARK. It's better than Ebaumsworld. It's better than YTMND. It's better than GameFAQs. It's better. We're better for posting on it. We're better and our site is better and it's okay and good to wrap our identities up in it, to make this website the whole of our selves and the thing that sets us apart and makes us unique and allows us to look down on all the more successful, happier people we deal with every day. I am Dabir and this is my Face of Goonism.
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sout posted:I'm sort of surprised how many people add _____SA to the end (or start sometimes) or their usernames on other platforms, to the point that I think I even saw somebody do it for an SA account. To be fair, I kinda have to do that since "Mega64" is already taken at a surprising amount of places these days.
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Jun 3, 2015 13:30
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Mega64 posted:To be fair, I kinda have to do that since "Mega64" is already taken at a surprising amount of places these days. I'm not super against it or anything, I just see it a lot. Also isn't "Mega64" used by a relatively large YT channel? I guess it makes sense it's so hard to claim that name then
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Jun 3, 2015 13:33
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Honestly, the reason I prefer SA to other LP options is the forum interactivity. Yeah, you can leave comments, but it isn't anywhere near the forum style, and I like being able to have conversations with thw LPer. I might be a weirdo.
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Choco1980 posted:Honestly, the reason I prefer SA to other LP options is the forum interactivity. Yeah, you can leave comments, but it isn't anywhere near the forum style, and I like being able to have conversations with thw LPer. I might be a weirdo. Which LP'r are you stalking?
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Choco1980 posted:Honestly, the reason I prefer SA to other LP options is the forum interactivity. Yeah, you can leave comments, but it isn't anywhere near the forum style, and I like being able to have conversations with thw LPer. I might be a weirdo. Actually, I agree. I hadn't posted an SA LP proper in a long time, but I way prefer reading the forum comments than the YouTube ones.
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Jun 3, 2015 14:23
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slowbeef posted:Actually, I agree. I hadn't posted an SA LP proper in a long time, but I way prefer reading the forum comments than the YouTube ones. I'd chalk that up to SA having basic moderation compared to YouTube's shithole comment's section where all the worst people come together.
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Jun 3, 2015 15:06
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Without sarcasm, SA is better than YouTube comments.
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Jun 3, 2015 15:29
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FactsAreUseless posted:Without sarcasm, SA is better than YouTube comments. Having just read a lot of dumb poo poo in the Fallout threads I don't knooooooow. But yeah, probably, because people get called out on poo poo more often here I would guess.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Without sarcasm, SA is better than YouTube comments. Can you name even one thing that YouTube comments are better than though? Saying that 1 > 0 might be true, but it doesn't say anything impressive about 1.
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Not all comments are neo-Nazis so they're better than Stormfront.
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Jun 3, 2015 15:43
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Attestant posted:Which LP'r are you stalking? The guys doing all the final fantasy games in order, why do you ask? 
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Keeshhound posted:Can you name even one thing that YouTube comments are better than though? Saying that 1 > 0 might be true, but it doesn't say anything impressive about 1. Tumblr posts, certain tweets.
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Jun 3, 2015 18:04
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Reddit is pretty bad, I saw a recent thing where they pieced together random bits of information Danny mentioned on Game Grumps episodes to try to diagnose why he was at a doctor recently. It's basically youtube comments except organized.
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Jun 3, 2015 18:10
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FactsAreUseless posted:Without sarcasm, SA is better than YouTube comments. counterpoint: you can turn youtube comments off
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Danaru posted:Reddit is pretty bad, I saw a recent thing where they pieced together random bits of information Danny mentioned on Game Grumps episodes to try to diagnose why he was at a doctor recently. It's basically youtube comments except organized. I mean, Reddit is the site that was OK with pedophilia for years and didn't shut down a subreddit dedicated to it and also whose community claimed some random guy was behind the Boston Marathon bombing without much in the way of evidence. People are idiots, people on the internet are even bigger idiots.
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Jun 3, 2015 19:03
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Unfunny Poster posted:I mean, Reddit is the site that was OK with pedophilia for years and didn't shut down a subreddit dedicated to it and also whose community claimed some random guy was behind the Boston Marathon bombing without much in the way of evidence. It's probably the result of having such a large free-form community. I mean in a smaller more tightly controlled community, stuff like, say, a dogfucker remaining unbanned for years, or a mod turning out to be a child rapist, or someone being driven to suicide by other posters would never happen.
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Jun 3, 2015 19:27
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The Vosgian Beast posted:It's probably the result of having such a large free-form community. Did you miss the part about "people are idiots" or something?
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Jun 3, 2015 19:47
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Unfunny Poster posted:Did you miss the part about "people are idiots" or something? Stux posted:counterpoint: you can turn youtube comments off
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Making such sweeping generalizations such as "Reddit is terrible" or "Tumblr posts are terrible" is useless and counterproductive, especially if it's the sort of website that attracts lots of people; it's not fair to judge them all because you feel like focusing on the worst of the bunch. I have seen posts on Tumblr that are nothing but huge lists of suicide hotlines, created in the hopes that they could stop someone from killing themselves, on top of interesting facts about arthropods, historically accurate dresses and funny gifs featuring weasels. This is because I follow the sort of Tumblr blogs that produce this sort of content. If you follow stupid Tumblr blogs you will receive stupid things.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Making such sweeping generalizations such as "Reddit is terrible" or "Tumblr posts are terrible" is useless and counterproductive, especially if it's the sort of website that attracts lots of people; it's not fair to judge them all because you feel like focusing on the worst of the bunch. "Your posting is terrible", on the other hand...
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Unfortunately internet hyperbole refuses to allow people to accept that all websites that are a congregation of people have good and bad users and good and bad events, not because of the quality of the website, but because that's just what human beings are like. edit: Joke's on them though, I'm actually a squid. So I don't count.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:25
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CJacobs posted:I'm actually a squid. I thought you were a kid. Edit - In case you don't get the reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y90bDDLO094
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Reddit is bad because the upvoting thing is just an awful system, regardless of what the userbase is like.
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I don't think anyone is saying the entirety of reddit or tumblr is terrible. People say goons are awful all the time but still post here.
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Genocyber posted:Reddit is bad because the upvoting thing is just an awful system, regardless of what the userbase is like. It makes having an actual discussion there almost impossible.
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