Dump_Stat posted:

What do I stick an Archon carrying a WW Portal with? I noticed Trueborne are min squad 5 now, so I can't load the Archy into a Venom with a few Blasterborne.

I heard he and a Raider with allied Wraithguard are nasty. I'd imagine Firedragons are the same.

I want to use him as a quick knock out punch unit.

I've got my list pretty well shored up, but I just have this Archon with the portal by himself and nothing I can think of sounds like a great fit.

Any other ideas?

Dump_Stat posted:

What do I stick an Archon carrying a WW Portal with? I noticed Trueborne are min squad 5 now, so I can't load the Archy into a Venom with a few Blasterborne.

I heard he and a Raider with allied Wraithguard are nasty. I'd imagine Firedragons are the same.

I want to use him as a quick knock out punch unit.

I've got my list pretty well shored up, but I just have this Archon with the portal by himself and nothing I can think of sounds like a great fit.

Any other ideas?

TKIY posted:

Because we had it before and it does fit the fluff well. I'd take T5 on warriors for sure though, 3+ doesn't really seem like a huge boost, you still die to the same problematic weapons - lascannons, krack missiles and melta.

Hencoe posted:

Why not roll with a stonecrusher brood behind a gaunt wall with a malanthrope?

Standard flyrant, pair of malanthropes, 30 termagants with a tervigon for your two troops, 3 flail& frag spine crushers and a triplet of biovores puts you at 1355. Gives you some room for another unit of small dudes of whatever flavor, and can drop the second malanthrope if you feel necessary. I've had success with similar lists but your meta is probably different than mine.

PeterWeller posted:

Yeah, but not as much as you might think. The GW ruins have a lot of windows and TLoS means you only need one.

Beyond that, though, letting vehicles drive all over difficult terrain further reduces the importance of tactical movement and positioning and makes skimmers less distinct. Who cares if skimmers can hop terrain when everything else can just drive through it with only a 1/36 chance of being immobilized (because everyone takes dozer blades and the like just because of that)?

Boon posted:

Allied Eldar D-Scythe Wraithguard.

Slimnoid posted:

krushgroove posted:

Wait a minute...is this YOU? I saw this on Dakkadakka yesterday all painted up...

Dump_Stat posted:

What do I stick an Archon carrying a WW Portal with? I noticed Trueborne are min squad 5 now, so I can't load the Archy into a Venom with a few Blasterborne.

I heard he and a Raider with allied Wraithguard are nasty. I'd imagine Firedragons are the same.

I want to use him as a quick knock out punch unit.

I've got my list pretty well shored up, but I just have this Archon with the portal by himself and nothing I can think of sounds like a great fit.

Any other ideas?

xtothez posted:

GW have spent the last few years making Eternal Warrior much harder to get, it's now pretty much only for unique special characters like Chapter Masters and Phoenix Lords, or as a rare buff via relics / psychic powers. I can't see them reverting that and letting us do it wholesale via synapse. I think the best we can hope for regarding EW is a bio-artefact to stick on a single Tyrant or Prime.

As far as Warriors go, it's generally pretty easy to get them at in at least 5+ cover thanks to the abundance of Shrouded. If an opponent wants to waste lascannons on Warriors rather than crucial MC's, I'm usually pretty happy to let them. It's not like Warriors do much damage to start with. Personally I tend to lose more Warriors/Shrikes to general weight of fire, thanks to their terrible armour saves. Getting 3+/4+ instead if 4+/5+ would make me so happy, and more inclined to run them without needing to sit in ruins all game.

I've always wondered how the Tyranid army would play if synapse creatures gave out creature-specific buffs via synapse.

Hive Tyrants could dish out Preferred Enemy,
Tervigons gave 6+ FNP,
Maleceptors provide Adamantium Will
Zoanthropes add Monster / Tank Hunter
Warriors add Precision Shots
Shrikes add Precision Strikes
Trygon Primes give Zealot
etc..

It would add a bit of depth to the army in terms of unit selection and what targets an opponent chooses to focus on. It's certainly more interesting than "lose synapse and your army eats itself"...


I really love the idea of Stonecrushers and think they're awesome models, but I've never had much luck with them on the field against savvy opponents. The main issue is that they're just too slow. Even when dropped in a pod the lack of Fleet really hurts them, and most targets are able to move away pretty easily.

How do you get them into combat reliably?

Slimnoid posted:

krushgroove posted:

One of the Forge World guys put up detail pictures of the new transfer sheets, I love the daemonic script on the Word Bearers sheet:

Ignite Memories posted:

edit: is somebody seriously complaining that skimmers aren't awesome enough

Hixson posted:

Yeah that's true, although it usually provides a pretty huge cover save (4+ for touching the terrain, up to 2+ for being 25% obscured)

Up until recently my group had been treating ruin walls as impassable. We didn't even check the rules, it just made sense vv

PeterWeller posted:

How are you getting such good saves? Ruins give a 4+ if you're shooting through them. IIRC you count any base they are on as 5+ area terrain.

Hixson posted:

Shooting through ruins (4+) and being 25% obscured ( +2 to cover save) = a 2+ cover save no?

The point I was making is the walls on ruins aren't pointless, it's quite easy to get obscured and get a decent cover save

Slimnoid posted:

Master Twig posted:

The opposite is actually true for Ruins in 7th edition. In 6th edition it was exactly as you stated, but if you read the entry in the rulebook under ruins (page 108 of the mini rulebook)
"Ruins are difficult terrain. Models in ruins receive a 4+ cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25" obscured." Says nothing about getting a 4+ for being simply obscured by ruins, so you would take the 25% rule for other terrain and get a 5+.

So concerning ruins: In = 4+ Blocked by = 5+.

Meaning a vehicle can never get better than a 5+ from ruins (Page 77 mini rulebook "Vehicles are not obscured simply for being inside terrain such as woods or ruins. The 25% rule above takes precedence."

Slimnoid posted:

PierreTheMime posted:

The obscured part is only in regards to getting cover from objects based on line of sight if the vehicle is not in terrain. Per the first rule you stated all models actually "in" ruins receive a 4+ cover save. Unlike other editions there are no partials or measurements. If any part of the hull is in terrain that vehicle model benefits from the terrain cover save (and also takes terrain tests accordingly). Ultimately any discrepancy should be discussed between you and your opponent, but that's how it reads and that how it was played in my local GT.

Miles O'Brian posted:

This is good but it could be so much better. Its also why I will play Orks forever, no matter what.

Ignite Memories posted:

That really kicks mech armies in the dick, though. We have it hard enough already.

Master Twig posted:

The opposite is actually true for Ruins in 7th edition. In 6th edition it was exactly as you stated, but if you read the entry in the rulebook under ruins (page 108 of the mini rulebook)
"Ruins are difficult terrain. Models in ruins receive a 4+ cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25" obscured." Says nothing about getting a 4+ for being simply obscured by ruins, so you would take the 25% rule for other terrain and get a 5+.

So concerning ruins: In = 4+ Blocked by = 5+.

Meaning a vehicle can never get better than a 5+ from ruins (Page 77 mini rulebook "Vehicles are not obscured simply for being inside terrain such as woods or ruins. The 25% rule above takes precedence."

Stanyer89 posted:

This is how I've seen it played up here also. One small piece of a rhino track can be inside of a ruin and it automatically gets a 4+ cover save.

PeterWeller posted:

Good one.

Ignite Memories posted:

You play eldar. I do not trust your opinion on what is strong and what isn't.

Master Twig posted:

But the sentence "Vehicles are not obscured simply for being inside terrain such as woods or ruins. The 25% rule above takes precedence." on page 77 specifically says that it does not.

Sigma-X posted:

So some guys at work are starting up this game and it's probably time to de-mothball my 40k army.

I've got some orks and some old spacewolves (5th was the last edition I think?)

What codices do I need? Orks have some supplemental codex? Are the Spacewolves still supplemental meaning I'd need a Space marines as well?

What's this 32mm base stuff?

Ignite Memories posted:

And yet, skimmers just aren't ~*special enough*~ so we have to nerf all other vehicles


edit: No, no, it's ok, I didn't need to use cover anyways, I'll just be sitting out here in the open with my av10 2hp vehicles. Have fun.

Ignite Memories posted:

The ork supplement absolutely is NOT its own codex. It has like, a few pages of rules and nobody is impressed with them. Do not buy it.


edit: sigma tell us what kind of ork stuff you have, we will tell you if there's still a workable army in there. Some of it is usable and some of it really really isn't.


edit edit: 32mm bases are something they have released without saying anything at all about what they intend to do with them and whether anything is supposed to change so don't worry about it.

PeterWeller posted:

I have a big Eldar army, but I don't actually play with it that much. It was already overpowered with the 6E codex, and while I don't use any D spam wraith guard, I still think it's too much. I have a CSM army that I bring out every so often, but mainly these days I just play Dark Eldar and Harlies.

Ignite Memories posted:

Driving through walls is my core strategy. This is the only fun orky thing I still get to do.