USPol June: Words no longer have meaning

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Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

KRock posted:

Another notable "No" vote on the FREEDOM Act was Sen. Tammy Baldwin's, thereby upholding the proud Wisconsin tradition of being the only Senate Democrat to vote "No" on such things.

http://www.baldwin.senate.gov/press-releases/senator-tammy-baldwin-statement-on-usa-freedom-act

Russ Feingold has a very real shot at replacing Ron Johnson (mainly because Johnson has done absolutely loving nothing other than vote Tea Party, no one in the state even really knows if he's done anything for Wisconsin) so by 2016 Wisconsin could very well be in the bizarre position of having Feingold/Baldwin as its Senators and Walker as its Governor.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:12

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 21:12

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:32

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

I guessed wrong but I was close.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:33

Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Multi-member districts are illegal under federal law and, if FPTP, probably unconstitutional even under this interpretation of one man one vote.

Yeah, Baker v. Carr (the One Man One Vote case from 1962 that is the precedent for the case we're talking about, along with its 1964 sequel Reynolds v. Sims) made it clear that only Congressional districts of equal population are OK and that Congressional districts based on land/counties or multi-member districts are not kosher. You'd need a Constitutional Amendment to change that.

You could change the FPTP voting system without a Constitutional Amendment, but good luck with that.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:43

Zwabu: Aug 7, 2006

Fried Chicken posted:

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

Ha, I guessed right.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:43

SubponticatePoster: Aug 9, 2004; Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.; Slippery Tilde

Fried Chicken posted:

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

I guessed right, what do I win? other than crushing depression, I mean?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:45

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fgB0m_y2I

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:47

Rhesus Pieces: Jun 27, 2005

Wrong state, right region.

Guessing the race of the "perpetrators" was like shooting fish in a barrel.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:50

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

Fried Chicken posted:

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

Missouri (specifically "suburb of St. Louis"), without clicking through

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:52

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

Multi-member districts were outlawed after they were reverted to by the South in the mid-20th century. It involved voters statewide picking representatives. As a result, they ended up all being white majority segregationists.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:53

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

Raskolnikov38 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fgB0m_y2I

gently caress off, cracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7EL0ZJN8xs

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:53

Relentlessboredomm: Oct 15, 2006; It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

Munkeymon posted:

He pretty much just said he wouldn't run again because he says he's going to remain president until the next election.

He's stepping down. They're calling an emergency election which won't take place for about 6-8 months but is still much earlier than the next scheduled election.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:10

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Teddybear posted:

Multi-member districts were outlawed after they were reverted to by the South in the mid-20th century. It involved voters statewide picking representatives. As a result, they ended up all being white majority segregationists.

To be clear, this multi-member single constituency was not elected using a proportional system. It's kinda like how Texas elects its Supreme Court.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:14

Taerkar: Dec 7, 2002; kind of into it, really

Boon posted:

I know it's going to have practical short-term negative consequences with potentially long-term derivative consequences, but I can't disagree with the idea that districts should be equally distributed in their voter eligibility...

Children cannot vote but their parents (theoretically) would be voting with at least some consideration for their interests.

Probably worth more than those .6 votes in the original constitution.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:15

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:30

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

Please let Francis excommunicate him or at least bitch-slap him on twiiter.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:33

Family Values: Jun 26, 2007

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:39

AlternateNu: May 5, 2005; ドーナツダメ！

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Please let Francis excommunicate him or at least bitch-slap him on twiiter.

That would be the most delicious form of retribution. You would figure Santorum would be more of a papist than the standard American Catholic, anyway, wouldn't you?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:39

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

Aka "why I refused to use my geology degree to get a job in the booming and well-paying oil and gas industry".

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:42

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Pohl posted:

That tree is hollow and rotten in the middle.
Edit: Which is why it fell over.

They were even nice enough to put a rotted section front and center for the photo.

Ramadu posted:

Looks like Wikileaks got ahold of the TPP. I wonder what joys we are about to see!

http://redstatements.co/wikileaks-exposes-obamas-phony-trade-bill-only-5-of-29-chapters-about-trade/

This is the kind of poo poo the guillotine was created for if it's all true.

Fried Chicken posted:

Let's play "Guess The State"

A couple of parents cheered for their children at their high school graduation. They now have warrants for their arrest on charges of "disturbing the peace" with a possible $500 bond for doing so.

That's the whole story. Their kids graduated. They cheered. They are now going to have to bond out of jail, pay court costs, or pay a $500 fine, for expressing their love and support of their children.

Guess the state!

This seems like it'd be really ripe for a lawsuit against the school. A superintendent being dumb enough to want/expect families to sit quiet while their kids graduate getting parents brought up on criminal charges for defying them?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Please let Francis excommunicate him or at least bitch-slap him on twiiter.

Most Evangelicals aren't going to care if they're excommunicated from the Catholic church any more than a Protestant would. In this case it'd only increase the rift the religious right wing has with Francis since he's very much against their prosperity gospel bullshit and Santorum would immediately use such an act to paint himself as a martyr against the socialist pope.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:46

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Evil Fluffy posted:

Most Evangelicals aren't going to care if they're excommunicated from the Catholic church any more than a Protestant would. In this case it'd only increase the rift the religious right wing has with Francis since he's very much against their prosperity gospel bullshit and Santorum would immediately use such an act to paint himself as a martyr against the socialist pope.

Santorum is Catholic.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:47

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Trabisnikof posted:

Santorum is Catholic.

Makes sense with all the man-boy love going on in the catholic priest system.

Also didn't know the pope had the same degree as me sweet he owns even more.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:54

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Joementum posted:

the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

This is my favorite thing I've learned all week.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:58

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

haveblue posted:

This is my favorite thing I've learned all week.

He also worked as bar bouncer briefly.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:59

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

Relentlessboredomm posted:

He's stepping down. They're calling an emergency election which won't take place for about 6-8 months but is still much earlier than the next scheduled election.

Ah, the part about the special election wasn't clear so I figured he was just finding a duplicitous way to say he wasn't seeking another term.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:00

FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

Santorum is Catholic.

I'm pretty sure he's one of those Traditionalist Catholics that rejects everything done at the Second Vatican Council, so he probably already views Francis as illegitimate.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:20

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

gently caress off, cracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7EL0ZJN8xs

Why didn't you post the version with video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVQjGGJVSXc

nina simone is great but so is phil ochs

quote:

Ochs's drinking became more and more of a problem, and his behavior became increasingly erratic. He frightened his friends both with his drunken rants about the FBI and CIA, and about his claiming to want to have Elvis's manager Colonel Tom Parker or Kentucky Fried Chicken's Colonel Sanders manage his career.[103]

In mid-1975, Ochs took on the identity of John Butler Train. He told people that Train had murdered Ochs, and that he, John Butler Train, had replaced him. Train was convinced that someone was trying to kill him, so he carried a weapon at all times: a hammer, a knife, or a lead pipe.[104]

Ochs's friends tried to help him. His brother Michael attempted to have him committed to a psychiatric hospital. Friends pleaded with him to get help voluntarily. They feared for his safety, because he was getting into fights with bar patrons. Unable to pay his rent, he began living on the streets.[105]

the struggles of a white liberal :negative:

baw fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:30

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

Doesn't Santorum keep getting involved in votes in Congress declaring climate change not-man-made by legislative fiat?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:51

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

The most Democratic professions are Yoga Instructor, Union Organizer, and Environmentalist.

The most Republican professions are Farmer and Oil Company Employee.

Sometimes stereotypes are true.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:53

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The most Democratic professions are Yoga Instructor, Union Organizer, and Environmentalist.

The most Republican professions are Farmer and Oil Company Employee.

Sometimes stereotypes are true.

Farmer isn't as republican as Exterminator :colbert:

Edit: or beer wholesaler! :tinsley:

Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:55

MixMasterMalaria: Jul 26, 2007

Since the specifics (and sourcing) of the earlier article about the TPP look highly suspect, let's try again with another trade deal in the works.

quote:

WikiLeaks releases secret TISA docs: The more evil sibling of TTIP and TPP
The new agreement that would hamstring governments and citizens even further.

WikiLeaks has released 17 secret documents from the negotiations of the global Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), which have been taking place behind closed doors, largely unnoticed, since 2013. The main participants are the United States, the European Union, and 23 other countries including Turkey, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Taiwan and Israel, which together comprise two-thirds of global GDP.

Significantly, all the BRICS countries�Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa�are absent, and are therefore unable to provide their perspective and input for what is essentially a deal designed by Western nations, for the benefit of Western corporations. According to the European Commission's dedicated page: "TiSA aims at opening up markets and improving rules in areas such as licensing, financial services, telecoms, e-commerce, maritime transport, and professionals moving abroad temporarily to provide services."

TISA's focus on services complements the two other global trade agreements currently being negotiated in secret: the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), and the corresponding deal for the Pacific region, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which deal with goods and investments. Like both TTIP and TPP, one of the central aims of TISA is to remove "barriers" to trade in services, and to impose a regulatory ratchet on participating nations. In the case of TISA, the ratchet ensures that services are deregulated and opened up to private companies around the world, and that once privatised, they cannot be re-nationalised.

The 17 documents released today include drafts and annexes on issues such as air traffic, maritime transport, professional services, e-commerce, delivery services, transparency, and domestic regulation, as well as several documents on the positions of negotiating parties. The annexe on e-commerce is likely to be of particular interest to Ars readers, since, if adopted, it would have a major impact on several extremely sensitive areas in the digital realm.

Thou shalt not...

For example, the question of data flows�specifically the flow of European citizens' personal data to the US�is at the heart of disputes over the EU's proposed Data Retention rules, the Safe Harbour agreement, and TTIP. Here's what Article 2.1 of TISA's e-commerce annexe would impose upon its signatories: "No Party may prevent a service supplier of another Party from transferring, [accessing, processing or storing] information, including personal information, within or outside the Party�s territory, where such activity is carried out in connection with the conduct of the service supplier�s business."

What that means in practice, is that the EU would be forbidden from requiring that US companies like Google or Facebook keep the personal data of European citizens within the EU�one of the ideas currently being floated in Germany. Article 9.1 imposes a more general ban on requiring companies to locate some of their computing facilities in a territory: "No Party may require a service supplier, as a condition for supplying a service or investing in its territory, to: (a) use computing facilities located in the Party�s territory."

A boost for national economies, or a Trojan Horse for corporations?
Article 6 of the leaked text seems to ban any country from using free software mandates: "No Party may require the transfer of, or access to, source code of software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition of providing services related to such software in its territory." The text goes on to specify that this only applies to "mass-market software," and does not apply to software used for critical infrastructure. It would still prevent a European government from specifying that its civil servants should use only open-source code for word processing�a sensible requirement given what we know about the deployment of backdoors in commercial software by the NSA and GCHQ.

Without WikiLeaks, the presence of these far-reaching proposals would not have been revealed until after the agreement had been finalised�at which point, nothing could be done about them, since the text would be fixed. With the publication of these documents, civil society has an opportunity to find out what is being discussed behind those closed doors, and to analyse and discuss the implications. Whether the negotiators will take account of what ordinary people think is another matter.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/wikileaks-releases-secret-tisa-docs-the-more-evil-sibling-of-ttip-and-tpp/

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:58

Iron Twinkie: Apr 20, 2001; BOOP

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

That's really interesting. I would have figured the majority would be Libertarian types but when I think about it, the only person I work with that applies to these days is my boss. I'm curious what the trend has been over time. My bet is the turning point would be when the tech bubble crashed the market went from just about anyone with tech skills getting multiple high paying job offers to having to knife fight for a help desk work.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:01

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

GlyphGryph posted:

Doesn't Santorum keep getting involved in votes in Congress declaring climate change not-man-made by legislative fiat?

Santorum hasn't held public office in 8 years.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:01

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Santorum hasn't held public office in 8 years.

poo poo I think I'm getting people mixed up again.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:03

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Iron Twinkie posted:

That's really interesting. I would have figured the majority would be Libertarian types but when I think about it, the only person I work with that applies to these days is my boss. I'm curious what the trend has been over time. My bet is the turning point would be when the tech bubble crashed the market went from just about anyone with tech skills getting multiple high paying job offers to having to knife fight for a help desk work.

This only applies to people who give money to candidates. A little less than 10% of Americans have ever given to a political campaign. It's usually around 3% of the total population per election cycle. It is entirely possible for IT and Engineering to be mostly libertarians, but the donations lean Democratic.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:05

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

baw posted:

Why didn't you post the version with video

I think the version I posted was right after King's assassination

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:09

Blindeye: Sep 22, 2006; I can't believe I kissed you!

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

Interesting trends here.

My general field, civil engineering, is the most conservative. But that includes construction managers who are well off and would want lax safety standards and cheaper labor, as well as many who inevitably work in oil industry activities.

But you look at two subsets of civil listed, environmental and structural, and we lean liberal. Those tend to be more well educated (especially structural since they need additional training and licensing by law) and look at bigger picture things like natural disaster effects.

The trend also implies that more liberal fields make less money relative to their level of education. The more "return on investment" people like doctors and oil related engineers have, the more I bet they believe in the just world fallacy and that they have earned their success.

Blindeye fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:15

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

Law enforcement is way closer to 50/50 than I thought. Probation officers are way blue, I guess because their branch of police work is about actually helping people?

edit

I'm guessing women who have gotten that far know what party the people who tried to stop them voted for.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:19

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Or LEO organizations are largest in big cities which trend liberal and LEOs very much value strong unions for a variety of reasons.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:35

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Samurai Sanders posted:

Law enforcement is way closer to 50/50 than I thought. Probation officers are way blue, I guess because their branch of police work is about actually helping people?

edit

I'm guessing women who have gotten that far know what party the people who tried to stop them voted for.

Also liberal organizations are more likely to have chairwomen and are also more likely to have liberal members.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:36

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