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e: nope gently caress this topic
flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be able to pick up my wallet whenever I want, that doesn't mean I have a right to hunt down someone who has it and attack them in a dark room. Do you honestly believe this guy was hunting trespassers? Yes there were his threatening comments but would you want to be held to every indiscreet comment you've ever made, even years later? Especially if those comments don't match what actually happen? He wasn't lying in wait, he entered the house and announced himself. That's not hunting (unless he was trying to drive the trespassers to other hunters?)
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:54 |
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Yes I believe when people say they are going to hunt trespassers and shoot them, and then they go hunt trespassers and shoot them, that these may be related.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:00 |
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flakeloaf posted:e: nope gently caress this topic
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:04 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:It hasn't been about cops for like 20 pages now. Is the thread effectively finished? We've gone too long without a high profile unjustified officer-involved shooting hitting the news so it inevitably devolved to gun-chat. How about a ridiculous arrest to get the thread back on track? From the USPol thread: Fried Chicken posted:Let's play "Guess The State"
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:11 |
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VitalSigns posted:Yes I believe when people say they are going to hunt trespassers and shoot them, and then they go hunt trespassers and shoot them, that these may be related. Samurai Sanders posted:It hasn't been about cops for like 20 pages now. Is the thread effectively finished?
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:13 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:It hasn't been about cops for like 20 pages now. Is the thread effectively finished? Nah. Needlessly violent police are sleeping in R'lyeh waiting for the call. They will be awoken soon. Only then will they gun down the howling mix-breed savages of the night.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:13 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:We've gone too long without a high profile unjustified officer-involved shooting hitting the news so it inevitably devolved to gun-chat.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:14 |
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VitalSigns posted:[(d) In all situations in which the entry by the occupant was a forcible entry under Section 24.001, the person entitled to possession must give the occupant oral or written notice to vacate before the landlord files a forcible entry and detainer suit. The notice to vacate under this subsection may be to vacate immediately or by a specified deadline. subsection (d) is explicitly exempted from the notice requirements in (f), he could just show up and tell them to leave and then immediately file to have them removed. You're correct that he has no right to use violence to remove them, I don't think anyone is arguing that. Its also not clear by anything you posted that he isn't allowed to enter in cases of forcible entry and detainer, I believe you're again looking at rules for strictly forcible detainer. This is kind of irrelevant though because you're correct this is NV, here's the appropriate statute, which doesn't look too much different, basically he doesn't have the right to evict them with force, but he had every right to go there and tell them to get the gently caress out. quote:NRS 40.240 Forcible detainer defined. Every person is guilty of a forcible detainer who either:
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:20 |
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ElCondemn posted:You're literally arguing if he can't see a threat he's in his right to use deadly force, what are you really saying if not that? Literally, this: ElCondemn posted:I wasn't there so the situation may have looked different in person. ElCondemn posted:violence does not become justified because "he deserved it". Did the man in the squatter shooting make that statement? Who said "he deserved it"? That's the kind of evidence that can be used to take down a self-defense case. But minus him making statements like that, how would you know what was going through his mind? Think of the cop that shot that 17 year old kid on his front porch for pulling out his wallet. In hindsight we all know the 17 year old was completely innocent and only had his wallet in his hand. But the cop got off because there's no way he knew any of that at the time. He was chasing an armed suspect and mistook the 17 year old for that suspect with a gun in his hand.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:26 |
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spacetoaster posted:Literally, this: Two neighbors testified Wednesday that Burgarello told them years earlier that he might arm himself and wait for people responsible for repeatedly vandalizing and burglarizing the vacant duplex. "He told me, 'I'm going to be waiting inside with a gun,'" Kevin Morgan said. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wounded-woman-testifies-nevada-trespass-shooting-31343480
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:32 |
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spacetoaster posted:Think of the cop that shot that 17 year old kid on his front porch for pulling out his wallet. In hindsight we all know the 17 year old was completely innocent and only had his wallet in his hand. But the cop got off because there's no way he knew any of that at the time. He was chasing an armed suspect and mistook the 17 year old for that suspect with a gun in his hand. Right, I agree, the cop should have confirmed the threat before killing an innocent person.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:56 |
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So what about the those 250 Orange County DAs being barred from dealing with a case because of systemic conspiracy to undermine justice and all that perjury and poo poo?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:How about a ridiculous arrest to get the thread back on track? From the USPol thread: Meh, low effort. The cops had nothing to do with those charges except serving the paperwork. Everything was filed by the school district. Thread status: still off the rails.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:48 |
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GlyphGryph posted:So what about the those 250 Orange County DAs being barred from dealing with a case because of systemic conspiracy to undermine justice and all that perjury and poo poo? A few bad apples
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:50 |
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Trabisnikof posted:A few bad apples It's just a few bad barrels.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:52 |
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I'm personally a fan of the multi-page discussion about how semi-abandoned property being used as shelter, or vandalized, or whatever is less important than one human being who unironically no longer exists and another that will suffer from a lifetime of whatever injuries were caused by being shot Truly what a magical world we live in that the continued existence of inanimate structures that are no longer meaningfully used and are in a state of disrepair is so vital that permanently ending everything that makes a human to protect that structure is up for debate
hallebarrysoetoro fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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ElCondemn posted:Right, I agree, the cop should have confirmed the threat before killing an innocent person. I'm sure you would have in this situation. But not everyone is psychic and brave as you are.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:08 |
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The investigation of the Tamir Rice shooting has taken its next step towards nobody being held responsible (probably). quote:Sheriff’s officials have completed their investigation into the killing of Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old Cleveland boy who was shot to death by police while holding a fake gun, a source confirmed to the Los Angeles Times. http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tamir-rice-investigation-complete-20150603-story.html
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:11 |
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soundnthefury posted:The investigation of the Tamir Rice shooting has taken its next step towards nobody being held responsible (probably). This article has a source saying the investigation found the shooting justified: quote:CLEVELAND - The Cuyahoga County Sheriff's investigation of the shooting of a 12-year-old boy at a Cleveland rec center concluded that the shooting was justified, a source familiar with the case told newsnet5.com.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:16 |
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Trabisnikof posted:This article has a source saying the investigation found the shooting justified: http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2015/06/sheriffs_department_hands_over.html quote:Philip Angelo, special assistant to Cuyahoga County Sheriff Clifford Pinkney, said the report does not reach any conclusions about whether or not the shooting was justified.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:34 |
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spacetoaster posted:I'm sure you would have in this situation. But not everyone is psychic and brave as you are. You got me, if I had made that mistake it would have been totally justified to kill an innocent person. That's what makes things ok, if I do it that means it's ok.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:37 |
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Maybe Cops should tighten their ROE little from "Shoot first, second and last" to "Return fire".
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:44 |
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Ima Grip And Sip posted:Meh, low effort. The cops had nothing to do with those charges except serving the paperwork. Everything was filed by the school district. Thread status: still off the rails. It's still an egregious abuse of the criminal justice system to have people arrested for "disturbing the peace" because they were overly boisterous at a HS graduation. The cops aren't at fault here but the superintendent should be loving ashamed of himself.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:01 |
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oohhboy posted:Maybe Cops should tighten their ROE little from "Shoot first, second and last" to "Return fire".
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:05 |
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ElCondemn posted:You got me, if I had made that mistake it would have been totally justified to kill an innocent person. Yes. This is sometimes legal and why we have a court system. ElCondemn posted:That's what makes things ok, if I do it that means it's ok. This is not correct. You might, deep down, just want to hurt other people, but it has nothing to do with you having some special extrajudicial protection.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:05 |
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spacetoaster posted:I'm sure you would have in this situation. But not everyone is psychic and brave as you are. "Show me some ID WOAH HE'S REACHING FOR SOMETHING!" What a brave and noble man.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:10 |
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spacetoaster posted:I'm sure you would have in this situation. But not everyone is psychic and brave as you are. Well, if they make a mistake because of their cowardice and take a life, they should go to prison. Cowardice or lack of judgment should not be a defense for manslaughter or murder.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:13 |
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Ima Grip And Sip posted:Meh, low effort. The cops had nothing to do with those charges except serving the paperwork. Everything was filed by the school district. Thread status: still off the rails. Wait, so all I have to do is file some paperwork against people yelling in the street and the police are required to charge those people?
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:16 |
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spacetoaster posted:Yes. This is sometimes legal and why we have a court system. Thank goodness I disagree with the law then, I think it's wrong to kill an innocent person at all. Especially if it's easily avoidable by not shooting at anything that moves when you're afraid.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:17 |
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Mosby blocking release of Gray autopsy in hilariously vain attempt not to taint potential jurors
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:21 |
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Baltimore commissioner doing live press conference about murder rate increase now. e: ah, turns out it's all those drugs getting stolen from pharmacies and methadone clinics. People are getting hopped up on methadone and going on killing sprees. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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Classtoise posted:"Show me some ID WOAH HE'S REACHING FOR SOMETHING!" As a reminder this isn't even hyperbole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:43 |
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SedanChair posted:Well, if they make a mistake because of their cowardice and take a life, they should go to prison. Hey SedanChair! I agree. Cowardice is the worst crime of all. Classtoise posted:"Show me some ID WOAH HE'S REACHING FOR SOMETHING!" "He was coming right for us!" Why do we even allow police to have guns at all?
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:45 |
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spacetoaster posted:Why do we even allow police to have guns at all?
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:49 |
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SedanChair posted:Baltimore commissioner doing live press conference about murder rate increase now. Funnily enough, in NYC, another place where police misconduct has been shoved into the limelight, there has also been a recent, heavily publicized uptick in shootings (note that they specifically say shootings and not murders.) This is also coming off of the heels of the recent work stoppage protest by the NYPD and police union contract negotiations. Before the massive wave of publicized shootings, the most recent disrespect to the NYPD was being denied 1000 new officers to fight terrorism.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 21:56 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It's still an egregious abuse of the criminal justice system to have people arrested for "disturbing the peace" because they were overly boisterous at a HS graduation. The cops aren't at fault here but the superintendent should be loving ashamed of himself. The fine seems awfully excessive but getting kicked out not so much. Lots of schools have those sorts of rules and heavily enforce them for several reasons. The first is time, disruptions can add an hour or more. But more importantly it's a safety thing- if one family is shouting and the next family cannot hear their kids name you better believe fistfight s can occur. It's also just plain lovely to everyone else. How you think a kid feels if it goes from a whole bunch of cheers to silence for their name? Also the whole 'i was just loving my kid ' is complete bullshit, somehow 1000s of other parents managed to love their kids without getting kicked out. Only people who thought their precious snowflake should be treated differently than everyone else was removed.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 22:31 |
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tsa posted:The fine seems awfully excessive but getting kicked out not so much. Lots of schools have those sorts of rules and heavily enforce them for several reasons. The first is time, disruptions can add an hour or more. But more importantly it's a safety thing- if one family is shouting and the next family cannot hear their kids name you better believe fistfight s can occur. Yes, I don't have a big issue with them getting kicked out of the ceremony if it was made clear to them not to cheer and they did anyway, but getting served with an arrest warrant for it is goddamn ridiculous.
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# ? Jun 3, 2015 22:39 |
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GlyphGryph posted:So what about the those 250 Orange County DAs being barred from dealing with a case because of systemic conspiracy to undermine justice and all that perjury and poo poo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCUrhgXjH4&t=952s
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yes, I don't have a big issue with them getting kicked out of the ceremony if it was made clear to them not to cheer and they did anyway, but getting served with an arrest warrant for it is goddamn ridiculous. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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