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Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

soapgish posted:

Never complained or said it was a problem.
Did you mean to say "No one" complained or said it was a problem?

quote:

Solution: take an adult literacy course.
:qq:

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Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Jeherrin posted:

Solution: enjoy the concert with your phone in your pocket.

Thanks for the protip Grandpa.

soapgish posted:

Recalled this post last night as my 1020 ended at 5% after a 3 hour concert, tho that includes moderate browsing on it for an hour prior and all my pics and vids being uploaded via cell, along with some Twitter and texting. It seems reasonable to me that it may have died :shrug: Is there any phone, Windows or not, that wouldn't take it on the chin after that kind of use?

Probably isn't a phone out there that wouldn't take it on the chin, but my 920 would have been completely dead before the concert was over.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
I, too, like to run a live review of the concert I am currently attending for my fans at home

Dr Tran
Dec 17, 2002

HE'S GOT A PH.D. IN
KICKING YOUR ASS!

ElGroucho posted:

I, too, like to run a live review of the concert I am currently attending for my fans at home

The only people allowed to record are those in the front and back rows. Everyone else should be punched.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

ElGroucho posted:

I, too, like to run a live review of the concert I am currently attending for my fans at home

If you really must know my wife asked me to record her interpreting the concert so she could critique it later.

And everyone acting like they don't know this OS has battery draining bugs in it. I was trying to let people know what I did to extend the battery. I wasn't live blogging on facebook or tweeting nonstop about the concert.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

I don't think that particular problem is quite a bug though, the camera is just ridiculously resource-intensive. Which might be desirable, would have to see what a cheaper implementation on similar hardware would achieve image quality-wise.

benzoapyrene
Apr 18, 2013

ratbert90 posted:

I love my 1520 and it shows no signs of aging at all. I say go for it. Every phone will be tiny in comparison after using it.

I got my "new" 1520 last weekend, and am loving this phone. It's nice to be able to listen to podcasts again... thanks for the advice.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

I don't think that particular problem is quite a bug though, the camera is just ridiculously resource-intensive. Which might be desirable, would have to see what a cheaper implementation on similar hardware would achieve image quality-wise.

A camera generally shoots out frames in raw Bayer format, which in turn has to be converted to YCBCR format (generally 442). This conversion process is incredibly processor intensive, and even with the likes of a fpga helping will drain the battery pretty quickly. There isn't much anybody can do with the way current CMOS sensors work.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

I don't think that particular problem is quite a bug though, the camera is just ridiculously resource-intensive. Which might be desirable, would have to see what a cheaper implementation on similar hardware would achieve image quality-wise.

The battery drain bug where the phone is sitting over night and drains to zero with no processor intensive activities. My 920 has the issue and it is temporarily solved by a soft reset.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
...why isn't it charging overnight?

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Shumagorath posted:

...why isn't it charging overnight?

Because it is fully charged and I'm not a fan of trickle charging. :madmax:

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Doomsday Jesus posted:

Because it is fully charged and I'm not a fan of trickle charging. :madmax:

Hard-core!

NFX
Jun 2, 2008

Fun Shoe

Doomsday Jesus posted:

And everyone acting like they don't know this OS has battery draining bugs in it. I was trying to let people know what I did to extend the battery. I wasn't live blogging on facebook or tweeting nonstop about the concert.

On my 2 year old 920, video and navigation will drain it quite heavily when used, and I've noticed that the browser tends to eat a lot of battery, even when in the background.

If I stay away from those 3 cases, or use them sparingly, the battery fairly easily lasts 2 days.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
Updated to the newest Windows 10 Mobile build on all my devices:





One package, running on all devices.

The 1520 is still sketchy, but the 1020 is running okay, Not daily driver material, but better for pure development. The 1520 has weird scaling issues, but my app seems to run okay on it? The 520 is just slow to load anything, slower than normal in doing anything. But once you're in my app, it should run okay. Also notice that Master/Detail view? That poo poo is sweet, and I wish I implemented it before. But Windows 10 makes doing that a whole lot easier. :)

Captain Pike
Jul 29, 2003

Is there any way to either:

A. Use a custom 'People' tile.

B. Change the Contact photo for Skype contacts.

I need a 'People' shortcut on my main screen, but I HATE seeing my loving boss's face every time I look at my phone. :(

(In Windows Phone 8.1 or even 10 I guess...)

Venusy
Feb 21, 2007
You can set it as a small tile, which should stop it from showing contact photos. I don't know if W10M will add the "disable live tile" option.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Captain Pike posted:

Is there any way to either:

A. Use a custom 'People' tile.

B. Change the Contact photo for Skype contacts.

I need a 'People' shortcut on my main screen, but I HATE seeing my loving boss's face every time I look at my phone. :(

(In Windows Phone 8.1 or even 10 I guess...)

Create a new contact. Add whatever picture you want. Link it to your boss. Go to the contact, tap the photo, choose the photo you prefer.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Doomsday Jesus posted:

Because it is fully charged and I'm not a fan of trickle charging. :madmax:
Your phone might have lovely battery life in general because you aren't following lithium battery best practises.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Shumagorath posted:

Your phone might have lovely battery life in general because you aren't following lithium battery best practises.

Explain.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

Holy poo poo, this is a pretty significant change :(

https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...esktoppeopleapp

quote:

Windows Phone 7 and 8 People app

The People app newsfeed data will no longer be updated with data from Facebook. Facebook contacts and Facebook events in the Calendar app will no longer be updated with information from Facebook.

Windows Phone 7 and 8 Photos

Posting a photo or video to your Facebook wall or Facebook profile on Windows Phone 7 and 8 will no longer work. Also the integration of your Facebook photo into your Photo Gallery will no longer work.

As a workaround, post and view photos and videos via the Facebook website or Facebook app.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Wow. So the contacts are borderline useless now?

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Wait, people use those features? Maybe I'm weird: My Contacts are mostly either people in my Active Directory or my clients.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
No pulling in Facebook contacts and calendar events is awful. This is probably in preparation for separate Events and Contacts apps from Facebook, but that doesn't explain the Outlook.com changes. No wonder People is no longer its own app in Windows 10...?

Doesn't matter anyway - Facebook is restricted to my tablet and occasional laptop use due to all the shady things they've been up to lately. This change will mean I use Facebook less and just keep numbers / contacts up to date directly in Outlook.com. Most mainstream users are going to be pissed off at this and I assume it's the same on iOS and Android.

Most batteries are designed to trickle charge and the intense short-term use you're describing at a concert is also known to cause long-term damage. I'm not sure what the 920's rated number of charge cycles is but I'd wager most of them are reaching that limit by now.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jun 8, 2015

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Maneki Neko posted:

Holy poo poo, this is a pretty significant change :(

https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...esktoppeopleapp

This is pretty terrible. On the other hand I already spent pages weeping about Rooms so I think I'm all cried out, so to speak. Windows Phone is dead. Hopefully Windows 10 Mobile is less of a catastrophe. I hope some day some insider writes a book about how Windows Phone started out promising and interesting and then in order to compete in a crowded marketplace, selected a strategy of removing functionality. Would really like a behind the scenes on that.

Factor Mystic fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 8, 2015

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

from what I've read, the windows phone 8.1 method with a separate facebook app which then integrates into the people "hub" is unaffected. Its only the built in integration with the people hubs that's dead. This should mean that windows phone 8.1 and mobile 10 will remain able to automatically load profile pictures and potentially pictures hub will still update.

I actually really value the auto loading of profile pictures. I makes my contact list seem so much more personal.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

CalvinandHobbes posted:

from what I've read, the windows phone 8.1 method with a separate facebook app which then integrates into the people "hub" is unaffected. Its only the built in integration with the people hubs that's dead. This should mean that windows phone 8.1 and mobile 10 will remain able to automatically load profile pictures and potentially pictures hub will still update.

I actually really value the auto loading of profile pictures. I makes my contact list seem so much more personal.

Ah, if that's the case that isn't so bad. Even in 8.1 form, the People hub is still way better than the terrible iOS/Android contact apps :(

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009
I only use FB to keep contact profiles (relatively) current and to auto-suck up calendar events. If that poo poo stops working I don't know man, I just don't know.

Can someone just make a massive universal Profile database curated by users so that you can search for someone by any means (name, number, whatever) and, with their permission, any and all phones can sucks up and update any changes. I guess you can have various levels of visibility and blocking. Being from one country, living in another, knowing people from many places around the world, this would be invaluable. Like FB with an expanded data set and without everything else to do with FB. (subscription model. no spam, trust me with your data etc.)

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


CalvinandHobbes posted:

from what I've read, the windows phone 8.1 method with a separate facebook app which then integrates into the people "hub" is unaffected. Its only the built in integration with the people hubs that's dead. This should mean that windows phone 8.1 and mobile 10 will remain able to automatically load profile pictures and potentially pictures hub will still update.

I actually really value the auto loading of profile pictures. I makes my contact list seem so much more personal.
So, to reword this, you're saying that as long as we have the Facebook app installed and connected with our phone, profile pictures and calendar events should still do their thing?

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Quick question: I have a single game on my Windows Phone, a Nokia Lumia Icon currently running Windows Phone 8.1. Whenever I upgrade to Windows 10 on the phone, will that game still work, and be available on my Windows laptop, which I'll also upgrade to Windows 10?

Ironically, the game in question is "King of Dragon Pass", which has a windows version from the 90's that has never been updated. The company later updated it for iOS, and then published the updated version to Windows Phone, but never backported the updates to Windows itself.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

Ynglaur posted:

Quick question: I have a single game on my Windows Phone, a Nokia Lumia Icon currently running Windows Phone 8.1. Whenever I upgrade to Windows 10 on the phone, will that game still work, and be available on my Windows laptop, which I'll also upgrade to Windows 10?

Ironically, the game in question is "King of Dragon Pass", which has a windows version from the 90's that has never been updated. The company later updated it for iOS, and then published the updated version to Windows Phone, but never backported the updates to Windows itself.

Not unless the developer does something, no.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Ynglaur posted:

Quick question: I have a single game on my Windows Phone, a Nokia Lumia Icon currently running Windows Phone 8.1. Whenever I upgrade to Windows 10 on the phone, will that game still work, and be available on my Windows laptop, which I'll also upgrade to Windows 10?

Ironically, the game in question is "King of Dragon Pass", which has a windows version from the 90's that has never been updated. The company later updated it for iOS, and then published the updated version to Windows Phone, but never backported the updates to Windows itself.

No.

So the Windows Phone 8.1 version (Or whatever version it's run at) is compiled for ARM. When you upgrade to Windows 10, it's still going to run that same Windows Phone 8.1 (Or whatever) app. Unless that developer creates a UAP version, that won't change. It won't magically just start working on platforms it was not developed for.

bushes
Nov 6, 2003

Kids running around naked fuckin' in the bushes

Drastic Actions posted:

No.

So the Windows Phone 8.1 version (Or whatever version it's run at) is compiled for ARM. When you upgrade to Windows 10, it's still going to run that same Windows Phone 8.1 (Or whatever) app. Unless that developer creates a UAP version, that won't change. It won't magically just start working on platforms it was not developed for.

I was told computers run on magic and dreams. Was I lied to?

Anyone else use the Bloomberg app and have to open and close the program a couple times for it to update Markets? Kind of an issue.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Maneki Neko posted:

Holy poo poo, this is a pretty significant change :(

https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...esktoppeopleapp

This is just a continuation of what happened before. Remember the Facebook chat feature that was integrated and we had to turn off?

Facebook (like many others) are trying to close up their platforms now. These companies want to make sure they have a slice of the internet pie and that nobody can take it away from them. For Facebook, now that they have marketshare, they are trying to make money/turn a profit via the only thing that's been working for them: advertising. If users do not go to their apps/website they can't show ads. So they are killing off all the integration features so they can keep people captive for monetization. Note they still can claim they have an API for integration (it's the 2.x API), but the changes from the previous API mean you can't do poo poo really.

WorldWarWonderful
Jul 15, 2004
Eh?
I tried switching to Android after using a 920 since its launch but.....I just can't. I went from Symbian to Windows Phone so I figured any new functionality was just because I was coming from the wasteland that was Symbian but Windows Phone was actually great to use.

I'm awful tempted to sell what I have and get a Lumia 930. I'd like to think I know better considering how Windows Phone started to frustrate me since I couldn't bank or pay my bills with it since the 8.1 update but I miss nearly every way it handled the basics :smith:

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

I regret my Android switch greatly. So, yeah, if you actually feel happy with WP, don't just assume that it is a general sort of smartphone maturity thing, Android remains pretty terrible in a lot of ways I personally care about.

WorldWarWonderful
Jul 15, 2004
Eh?

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

I regret my Android switch greatly. So, yeah, if you actually feel happy with WP, don't just assume that it is a general sort of smartphone maturity thing, Android remains pretty terrible in a lot of ways I personally care about.

Okay. Good, it's not just me. Everyone I know uses Android and I thought I was missing out on something. Then again I was a Symbian user; you'd figure I'd be familiar with the concept of Stockholm syndrome by now.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

WorldWarWonderful posted:

Okay. Good, it's not just me. Everyone I know uses Android and I thought I was missing out on something. Then again I was a Symbian user; you'd figure I'd be familiar with the concept of Stockholm syndrome by now.

What in particular didn't you like about Android? What phone did you try out?

WorldWarWonderful
Jul 15, 2004
Eh?

WattsvilleBlues posted:

What in particular didn't you like about Android? What phone did you try out?

I've got the Galaxy Alpha running Lollipop - as nice as the new S6 is I didn't want to invest that kind of money on something I wasn't sure I'd like, and there's no Qi charging feature on the Z3 compact which ruled that out. That being said, I like the UI and lockscreen way better on Windows Phone. I like its minimal aesthetic, simple colours and lack of icons, and it tells me everything I need to know in a clean and clear manner. I also like how as soon as I tap that volume rocker a little music control bar pops up regardless of what app I'm using. I also seem to get more mileage out of the battery but that might be because I still tweak a lot on this handset.

I'm also fighting to turn off the constant notifications. I get notifications for everything and it's annoying. I've succeeded in turning a few off but it's kind of absurd. I've really tried liking it, trying out themes and widgets and giving it the benefit of the doubt, but I can honestly say I don't like using it as much as I did my 920. I don't know if it's a matter of "getting used to it" or not but as powerful as Android can be, it just feels.....noisy.

WorldWarWonderful fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jun 11, 2015

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009
Having switched from WP8.1 to Android, I have to say there's a lot of stuff I liked, and I only switched for the app ecosystem (and the long term platform support). What I liked on WP8.1 was the general smoothness, the visual design (subjective I know), the stock apps... Android works well enough, but I get a lot of hiccups, slowdowns and sometimes random reboots on my Moto X, there's no design consistency between apps (though Material design has been improving things), stock apps like contacts, sms or calendar are a joke, and I could go on but won't.
Admittingly, there's a lot of wasted potential too: Xbox music, live tiles being more than just unread counters, expanding kid's corner into a real multiple user system... But MS was so slow about fixing things that I decided to grudgingly go look elsewhere.

Maybe iOS is more up my ally, haven't tried yet :v:

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Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
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Chikimiki posted:

Admittingly, there's a lot of wasted potential too: Xbox music, live tiles being more than just unread counters, expanding kid's corner into a real multiple user system... But MS was so slow about fixing things that I decided to grudgingly go look elsewhere.

Live tiles being lame is mostly do, IMO, how you make them. There are multiple ways to do it, but in 8.1 most of them are kinda annoying. The easiest one is to, either through a background task or push notification, edit an XML template and push that through the tile manager. The templates are very limiting though, and you have to make one for every single tile size you want. That's super annoying. Hence why in Awful, I only bothered with the wide size. Most of the live tiles you see are actually PNGs created either on device or pushed to it. That gives you greater flexibility in terms of layout and what you can show, but now you're making images, and that's also a pain. Also they can't be too big, or it won't work.

From what I've seen of the Windows 10 SDK, it does a much better job of handling tiles by giving more useful templates. Also creating secondary tiles is easier; so for the sake of Awful, instead of favoring a forum or thread you always visit, you could make a live tile instead and go directly there from the start menu. So Windows 10 should make them more useful, solely by making them easier to implement well.

And seriously, I'm not making PNGs :).

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