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Zombie Samurai posted:Whenever people mention liking VIII I have to remind them that the main characters hold an emo rock concert on some abandoned oil platform in the middle of the ocean during their quest to save the world because one of them is sad about something. That's a bad thing?
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Zombie Samurai posted:Whenever people mention liking VIII I have to remind them that the main characters hold an emo rock concert on some abandoned oil platform in the middle of the ocean during their quest to save the world because one of them is sad about something. Well I apparently have because I have no idea what you're talking about. I guess this just means I'll have to replay FFVIII, which is, in fact, a game I like. It'll be in the Steam summer sale anyway.
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Jun 4, 2015 18:51
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Yeah. The love scene in space complete with a vocal performance was cool too oh yeah, that was cool. i weirdly liked the spaceship dungeon that came right before that too. 8 actually had some pretty good dungeons, the sacred/minotaur dungeon was solid and the last dungeon was pretty good
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Jun 4, 2015 18:53
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Fungah! posted:oh yeah, that was cool. i weirdly liked the spaceship dungeon that came right before that too. 8 actually had some pretty good dungeons, the sacred/minotaur dungeon was solid and the last dungeon was pretty good Didn't that spaceship dungeon have some weird puzzle with the color of dragon enemies or something
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Jun 4, 2015 18:56
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8 really strikes the same chord with me that 5 did. Mechanically they are wonderful games that heavily encourage you to understand the systems and BREAK THEM MALICIOUSLY. Their storylines do leave much to be desired. Oh, and they both have Gilgamesh.
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Jun 4, 2015 18:57
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V is much more mechanically sound than VIII. VIII is really half assed and broken from moment one, where V just has a ton of variables and options that can interact in fun and interesting ways you get to by experimenting. VIII leveling mechanic just plain sucks
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Jun 4, 2015 18:58
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I remember hating the concert because you have to go around and be super encouraging and help everyone learn their instruments, except you're playing as Squall who is still pretending he doesn't give a poo poo about any of it. I didn't like VIII when I played it back in high school, but my vague recollections of it make me want to try it again. Like, how many people remember the giant drill prison? Or Jabba the Hutt under Balamb Garden? Or the huge section of the game devoted to taking over a TV studio?
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Jun 4, 2015 18:59
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Madmarker posted:8 really strikes the same chord with me that 5 did. Mechanically they are wonderful games that heavily encourage you to understand the systems and BREAK THEM MALICIOUSLY. FFVIII and FFV aren't even in the same ballpark. Both are breakable but FFV is well-designed enough you can finish the game with almost any character set due to the way skills and items are created. FFVIII is breakable because the system is so badly designed that looking at it sideways breaks the game in half.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:00
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Jun 4, 2015 19:02
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Squall is good in stuff that isn't his own game, meanwhile outside of FF7 Cloud is trash garbage and that's hilarious to me for some reason.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:07
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Barudak posted:The absolute hardest part of FFXIII for me on any playthrough is those goddamn phalanx enemies in the cave separating you from the main open field of Gran Pulse and the tower that leads to the town containing the one and only NPC/Sidequest in the game. Everything after them is eminently doable but they have such a large portion of health and buff/summon help quickly I find myself either using my "start the battle with the enemy staggered" items or the "avoid enemy fights" to get passed them since grinding/spending tons of money on gear upgrades doesn't feel worth it yet especially given how easy the next enemies are. Jeez, that cave is exactly where I am right now and it's what made me think that I'm grossly under-powered for the area of the game I'm in. I stopped playing for four months so when the recap brought me back up to speed, I realized I had forgotten I was even heading toward a town. I thought Gran Pulse was populated only by giant monsters.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:09
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corn in the bible posted:that was great though, its everything else that sucked Seriously great.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:11
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ImpAtom posted:FFVIII and FFV aren't even in the same ballpark. Both are breakable but FFV is well-designed enough you can finish the game with almost any character set due to the way skills and items are created. FFVIII is breakable because the system is so badly designed that looking at it sideways breaks the game in half. I disagree with your assertion that 8's gameplay wasn't well designed. VIII had great gameplay with customizability in the form of the GF's and Junctions. The game had an easy mode in the form of repeated summoning for people who didn't understand the mechanics, and for those that did, junctioning allowed you speed through the game and devastate with limits. It easily had the best minigame in Final Fantasy in the form of Triple Triad (Chocobo Hot and Cold is good to though). What I will say is a problem with FFVIII's gameplay is that people who didn't understand the card and refining system would stand around and draw magic for x number of hours like idiots because no tutorial really stressed the importance of refining magic and card modding enough. Even though it should be drat obvious since Fasticalon-Fs gave you an item that refined into something like 20 Waters, which was very good magic at that point of the game. And an early card refines into 100 elixirs. Also quoting for truth, unironically an awesome part of the game. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Jun 4, 2015 19:12
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Yeah I never refined a single card in my whole playthrough because I didn't even know you could do that, and I played the game for the first time 2 years ago.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:14
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Madmarker posted:I disagree with your assertion that 8's gameplay wasn't well designed. VII had great gameplay with customizability in the form of the GF's and Junctions. The game had an easy mode in the form of repeated summoning for people who didn't understand the mechanics, and for those that did, junctioning allowed you speed through the game and devastate with limits. It easily had the best minigame in Final Fantasy in the form of Triple Triad (Chocobo Hot and Cold is good to though). What I will say is a problem with FFVIII's gameplay is that people who didn't understand the card and refining system would stand around and draw magic for x number of hours like idiots because no tutorial really stressed the importance of refining magic and card modding enough. Even though it should be drat obvious since Fasticalon-Fs gave you an item that refined into something like 20 Waters, which was very good magic at that point of the game. And another early card refines into 100 elixirs. FFVIII's gameplay is absolutely badly designed. The very fact that you're pointing to a complete optional minigame as being something people have to understand to make the combat system not tedious is kind of a big ol' example right there. However even beyond that it's a badly designed system. Junctioning effectively does what you said. It allows you to speed through the game and devastate with limits. That means you never actually have to engage with any mechanics beyond the most simple. You just junction big damage and spam limit breaks. The game in fact actively discourages fighting and running through with ENC-NONE and doing a low-level game is not only viable but optimal is absurd. Very few of the mechanics are worth engaging with because "refine stats -> big damage" is so overwhelmingly powerful that you're discourage from using magic even because it can't possibly match up. Like if you play FF8 as a CCG game where occasionally you have to sacrifice a card to make a boss explode then it's pretty fun. However if you don't want to play a CCG and instead to play a RPG then suddenly it becomes clear it's a pretty lovely RPG attached to a fun CCG!
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Jun 4, 2015 19:24
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Zombie Samurai posted:I remember hating the concert because you have to go around and be super encouraging and help everyone learn their instruments, except you're playing as Squall who is still pretending he doesn't give a poo poo about any of it. Anyway, the game could definitely use better tutorials.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:26
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Didn't that spaceship dungeon have some weird puzzle with the color of dragon enemies or something yeah the enemies were all pairs of colors, if you killed one and didn't kill its matching pair next they'd both respawn. not a great gimmick but not a bad one either
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Jun 4, 2015 19:30
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and yeah 8 was fun to break but the actual mechanics are a level beyond garbage. i call it garbage 2
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Jun 4, 2015 19:31
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Fungah! posted:yeah the enemies were all pairs of colors, if you killed one and didn't kill its matching pair next they'd both respawn. not a great gimmick but not a bad one either Miles ahead of the final dungeon gimmick...what a pile
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Jun 4, 2015 19:32
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i remember likeing the last dungeon for some reason although in hindsight i don't remember why. i just really like gimmick dungeons as long as the gimmick isn't extremely poo poo
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Jun 4, 2015 19:34
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"if squall had an iphone, i bet he'd take a selphie" - one of the many funny jokes in my upcoming FFVIII lets playFungah! posted:i remember likeing the last dungeon for some reason although in hindsight i don't remember why. i just really like gimmick dungeons as long as the gimmick isn't extremely poo poo I thought it was fun but maybe it's just because the soundtrack owned. It was the final boss gimmick I didn't like where you can't choose your party members (but the fight itself is great)
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Jun 4, 2015 19:35
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Fungah! posted:and yeah 8 was fun to break but the actual mechanics are a level beyond garbage. i call it garbagera Fixed. e: Garbagega is [Your favorite FF game here].
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Jun 4, 2015 19:39
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Zombie Samurai posted:I remember hating the concert because you have to go around and be super encouraging and help everyone learn their instruments, except you're playing as Squall who is still pretending he doesn't give a poo poo about any of it. I remember everything from that game cause it was loving dope. The more retarded a scenario was the better it was. The concert was dope, NORG was dope, the failed assassination attempt was dope, the amnesia plotline was dope. Just a dope rear end game.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:46
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lol NORG
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Jun 4, 2015 19:48
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lmao i forgot about NORB until you brought it up. what a dumb lovely part of the game
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Jun 4, 2015 19:50
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:lol NORG
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Jun 4, 2015 19:50
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Oh, this mercenary school for teenagers? Funded by a giant squid man who lives in the basement. Also the school is an airship.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:53
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Wasn't the entire SeeD program founded and run by Cid specifically to kill his ex-wife?
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Jun 4, 2015 19:55
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The most insane part about NORG is that he is mentioned in precisely one scene which occurs immediately before his boss fight and then he is never mentioned again.
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Jun 4, 2015 19:55
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:The most insane part about NORG is that he is mentioned in precisely one scene which occurs immediately before his boss fight and then he is never mentioned again. I believe some random rear end NPC mentions him super early on. Also something in the computers in the classroom?
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Jun 4, 2015 19:58
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:The most insane part about NORG is that he is mentioned in precisely one scene which occurs immediately before his boss fight and then he is never mentioned again. He's actually mentioned as soon as you gain control. Do people just not talk to NPCs or check out consoles and stuff?
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Jun 4, 2015 19:58
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so that's twice twenty hours before he shows up and then zero times after he's dead. that's still insane
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Jun 4, 2015 20:00
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IIRC there's a whole town of norg people, he's probably mentioned there
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Jun 4, 2015 20:01
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Help Im Alive posted:"if squall had an iphone, i bet he'd take a selphie" - one of the many funny jokes in my upcoming FFVIII lets play 
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Jun 4, 2015 20:02
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The more you think about VIII, the smarter Selphie becomes. It really would've been easier if she had just been in charge.
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Jun 4, 2015 20:04
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Dubious posted:basically all of us shitheads who bought it for ps4 for the FF15 demo get the shaft SE knew full well that people were going to buy it for the FF15 demo and they thank you suckers for your business. YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Did they change Cidney's outfit? The Cidney DOA beach volleyball outfit will be DLC. Fungah! posted:so that's twice twenty hours before he shows up and then zero times after he's dead. that's still insane Everything at that point of the game is just Squall's fevered mind in the last moments before he dies since Edna killed him with an icicle through the chest.
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Jun 4, 2015 20:06
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Zombie Samurai posted:I remember hating the concert because you have to go around and be super encouraging and help everyone learn their instruments, except you're playing as Squall who is still pretending he doesn't give a poo poo about any of it. What the gently caress I honestly remember 0 of the concert. I thought I generally remember most of the FF plots, I even remembered the Jabba Out Of Nowhere
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Jun 4, 2015 20:07
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Help Im Alive posted:VIII is a fun game with the best FF soundtrack + it has triple triad I don't know that I'd go as far as best soundtrack, but yeah.
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Jun 4, 2015 20:07
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Also FF8 is the only FF where I thought "I should replay this" and I actually stopped in the middle of it. I think it might be one of the worse ones which is a shame because I love the music and world.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Do people just not talk to NPCs or check out consoles and stuff? NPCs, sure. Sitting down in front of a lovely fake internet or reading codices, not so much.
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