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Let me help you: writhing about Hillary's elect-ability is stupid. Yes, she lost 2008, but just about anyone would have. Feel free, however, to support other people running and keep pressing Hillary on the issues because its good for elective politics. Just be aware that Hillary would have to literally eat a dead baby that she cut from Chelsea's womb on live television to gently caress the primary up. The general is more dicey because Americans are dumb and have dumb ideas about how government works, but she's at worst 50/50 to roll through that, and stands a way better chance of mobilizing a coalition to defeat [Bad Republican Nominee ] than any one else in the Democratic field.
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I'm not saying 'there's no way Bush can win', but I am saying Bush is looking like one of the weaker serious candidates.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Let me help you: writhing about Hillary's elect-ability is stupid. Yes, she lost 2008, but just about anyone would have. Also: entirely possible that she wouldn't have if Michigan and Florida were scheduled within the DNC rules a few weeks later, which can't be blamed on her campaign.
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Warcabbit posted:I'm not saying 'there's no way Bush can win', but I am saying Bush is looking like one of the weaker serious candidates. I generally think he's a bad candidate for Republicans, but then all of them are tbf. I think Jeb wins the same way Mitt did -- by not being completely crazy or dumb. Joementum posted:Also: entirely possible that she wouldn't have if Michigan and Florida were scheduled within the DNC rules a few weeks later, which can't be blamed on her campaign. Correct. Also Hillary would have moped the floor with McCain because he's a curmudgeonly old man who's wicked impulsive sometimes. Though, bonus, he would have likely picked Lieberman or Lindsey Graham instead of Sarah. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Warcabbit posted:I'm not saying 'there's no way Bush can win', but I am saying Bush is looking like one of the weaker serious candidates. I agree, but I think there's no way really for any Republican candidate to look particularly strong at the moment when more and more of them just keep coming out of the woodwork to grab the spotlight for the week. Once the real lightweights shake out, he may be able to emerge as a stronger figure (among the remaining slightly less-lightweights).
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Rick Perry's rap rock song http://www.mediaite.com/tv/listen-rick-perrys-campaign-song-is-a-country-rap-joint-about-rick-perry/ I think it is a winner quote:Let me tell you a little story 'bout how I was raised
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No one, and that includes my constituents. gently caress America!
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Weltlich posted:I've been saying for a while that she's a lot closer to Coakley than a lot of people would like to believe. I'd agree with all of these points except the last one. Hilary has run for office 3 times in her life and has only lost 1. Her first run for senate was as a carpetbagger in what was a blue state with a republican governor, so it was not a guaranteed win by any means. I think it would be harsh to call her a proven loser, unless she manages to lose the nomination somehow a 2nd time.
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I can't even laugh at right-wing attempts to appropriate rap anymore, they just make me cringe with some kind of undefinable embarrassment.
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The Nastier Nate posted:I'd agree with all of these points except the last one. Hilary has run for office 3 times in her life and has only lost 1. Her first run for senate was as a carpetbagger in what was a blue state with a republican governor, so it was not a guaranteed win by any means. I think it would be harsh to call her a proven loser, unless she manages to lose the nomination somehow a 2nd time. Martha Coakley only lost the once as well, but people called her a loser because she re-ran for the same thing she'd already lost... much like Hillary.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:eat a dead baby that she cut from Chelsea's womb on live television Hillary is so brave for standing up for a woman's right to choose! 
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GlyphGryph posted:Martha Coakley only lost the once as well, but people called her a loser because she re-ran for the same thing she'd already lost... much like Hillary. Coakley ran for Senate in 2010 and lost and then ran for Governor in 2014 and lost. Her two campaigns for Attorney General were successful.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Dude to Perry's left looks like he took a nasty punch to the face at some point. And is still pissed off about it.
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GlyphGryph posted:Martha Coakley only lost the once as well, but people called her a loser because she re-ran for the same thing she'd already lost... much like Hillary. Voters can forgive one loss. American politics is full of candidates at every level who ran for office, lost, then ran again and won. After a 2nd loss though it starts to come with some baggage.
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Bicyclops posted:I can't even laugh at right-wing attempts to appropriate rap anymore, they just make me cringe with some kind of undefinable embarrassment. Some of our candidates (Perry, Bush) are probably strapped 24/7 too! All they have to do is point out that their Desert Es do, in fact, make Hillarys freeze at a debate. Just don't let Jindal start freestyling (trust me on this).
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Joementum posted:[*] Please tell me has no realistic shot. I doubt when they devleoped the concept of term limits they expected the Presidency to be passed around like a hot potato by one lovely family.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Voters can forgive one loss. American politics is full of candidates at every level who ran for office, lost, then ran again and won. After a 2nd loss though it starts to come with some baggage. Obama lost his first campaign at at national level (Illinois 1st District), clearly a proven loser!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Rick Perry's rap rock song White people love Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (Didn't listen to it but that's how the words rhyme in my head)
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Blazing Ownager posted:Please tell me has no realistic shot. Actually, they expressly didn't want one person holding it forever (FDR) and we'd already had a father-son presidential duo and two members of the same family holding the presidency.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Please tell me has no realistic shot. He's the favourite.
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This isn't even the best shot of the night.  You want to sink higher political aspirations? Take a photo like that one.
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RevKrule posted:This isn't even the best shot of the night.  this is terrifying.
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Does anyone else think that Jeb is intentionally shooting his own campaign in the foot, because he recognizes he couldn't win this time around and would rather be a failed primary candidate (keeping options open for a future run) than a failed presidential candidate? He's been incredibly low profile, with everything he puts out being just awful and sinking his polling more and more. The only reason I could buy that he isn't intentionally self-destructing is that his chances probably wouldn't be better next time around, and in 2024 he would be as old or slightly older than Reagan, which is the age people start worrying about old white politicians ability to not die in office.
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God, I love these candidate profiles The Onion does. The Onion posted:Former Texas governor Rick Perry announced Thursday his candidacy for the 2016 presidential election, hoping to fare better than he did in his unsuccessful bid for the Republican nomination in 2012. Here’s what you need to know about Perry:
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RevKrule posted:This isn't even the best shot of the night. 
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GlyphGryph posted:Martha Coakley only lost the once as well, but people called her a loser because she re-ran for the same thing she'd already lost... much like Hillary.
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AlouetteNR posted:Does anyone else think that Jeb is intentionally shooting his own campaign in the foot, because he recognizes he couldn't win this time around and would rather be a failed primary candidate (keeping options open for a future run) than a failed presidential candidate? He's been incredibly low profile, with everything he puts out being just awful and sinking his polling more and more. I do not think he is consciously doing this, no. I do have a suspicion that he might unconsciously be sabatoging himself though, for a variety of reasons. Though it's still a bit early to tell.
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AlouetteNR posted:Does anyone else think that Jeb is intentionally shooting his own campaign in the foot, because he recognizes he couldn't win this time around and would rather be a failed primary candidate (keeping options open for a future run) than a failed presidential candidate? He's been incredibly low profile, with everything he puts out being just awful and sinking his polling more and more. Jeb and Hillary have both been running for the General this whole time, which is why so many people are declaring them to be in trouble. It still way too early in the season for them to seriously be campaigning and the lack of campaigning is being seen as a problem. Hillary effectively has no competition, why should she be doing anything other than cake appearances and fund raising? Opening herself up to the media or the public really isn't going to gain her anything at this point and would only serve to get the attention on her instead of the Republican clown car or the Democratic side show. Neither are things she wants. Jeb's only real competition is Rubio or possibly, in the event of chaos reigning, Walker. Everyone else is a joke and he's better served raising stupid amounts of money for his Super PAC before officially jumping in. His answers on Iraq definitely were a mess up, and it's quite possible that he's lost his political step being out of the game for so long. However there's very little to actually make a decision on since his focus so far is squirreling away millions and millions of dollars. He's set himself up so that in the event he actually loses to the clown show, he's still going to be a big voice in the election.
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Zikan posted:I don't think any number of image consultants can save a guy who thinks
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Weltlich posted:I've been saying for a while that she's a lot closer to Coakley than a lot of people would like to believe. I would disagree with the last two points. Whether or not she's been resume-building, she's still been pretty good at the jobs she's gotten, and just because she lost a close primary to a guy who was a once-in-a-generation candidate for the Presidency doesn't make her a "proven loser". Seriously, if the worst that could be said about Hillary was that she's a ladder-climber (it's not, she has more to worry about in terms of negatives), then she'd be in pretty good shape. Hillary proved that she can, at the very least, win a statewide election and run a semi-competent campaign. Martha Coakley was just...she was singularly inept, and I hope to God that the Massachusetts Democratic Party has learned its lesson after watching her piss away a Senate AND a gubernatorial race. RevKrule posted:This isn't even the best shot of the night.  He's loving got a camel toe.
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To get away from fat shaming for a minute: Hillary is calling for automatic voter registration on your 18th birthday and mandated 20 days of early voting in all elections.
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