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robotox
Nov 8, 2008

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coyo7e posted:

"These r sure the best fish n chips in the state!" "I added some chives n stuff from my garden to the omelette.".

You are really pushing hard to bitch about the food descriptions. Seriously. That's like getting upset about the brand of oil that Harry Dresden puts into his Patented Shitbox VW Bug. There are more glaring issues which would stand out to more sane critiques. Because seriously, there really isn't much written about food in that series, unless you're undead or a demon or some poo poo.

I'm not really pressing hard for it. I was just explaining. As I stated before, it's just an example of the sort of needless description of the series. Those just stuck out to me, the prose equivalent of the idiots that spend ten minutes taking photos of their food in restaurants instead of eating it. I admit I'm bringing personal baggage to it and it would be a silly overall criticism of the book if it was A) the only example I provided and B) framed as anything other than personal opinion.

And I'm not upset at it, per se, I was just trying to adequately convey examples of the sort of prose that irritated me when reading it. And I'm not criticizing it nor people that really love it so much as saying it's against my personal taste. I've not read the Dresden books so I can't comment on that. In any case, I've kept reading through that distaste. It's a nice, easy read that I can read piecemeal on smoke breaks at work or when I'm idly sitting outside with the dogs. I ain't lookin' for literature. If I was actually scrutinizing the tests, I'm sure I'd provide more "sane" critiques, or at least feel motivated to scour the text in search of further examples.

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Nuurd
Apr 21, 2005

andrew smash posted:

Another audiobook plug but the same guy narrates all of the culture novels (Peter Kenny) and he's excellent.

I got bogged down in the middle of Use of Weapons twice, and ended up trying the audio for it. Really enjoyed it and recommend it.

darnon
Nov 8, 2009
Really, if you've read a fair amount of fantasy especially ASOIAF or any of Redwall you sort of become inured to page(s) long food descriptions after a while. It's like the endless battlecruiser doctrine reiteration in The Lost Fleet. Although I can't say I recall the Iron Druid series being a particularly big offender on that score (though not without fault elsewhere).

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Ornamented Death posted:

A dearth of offending text has never been enough to stop people form bitching endlessly about the lolcats in book two, so honestly this is par for the course.
The lolcats were cringingly bad. It was even worse in the audio version. The Magicians might've gotten me ready for it, though.. ;)

robotox posted:

And I'm not upset at it, per se, I was just trying to adequately convey examples of the sort of prose that irritated me when reading it. And I'm not criticizing it nor people that really love it so much as saying it's against my personal taste. I've not read the Dresden books so I can't comment on that. In any case, I've kept reading through that distaste. It's a nice, easy read that I can read piecemeal on smoke breaks at work or when I'm idly sitting outside with the dogs. I ain't lookin' for literature. If I was actually scrutinizing the tests, I'm sure I'd provide more "sane" critiques, or at least feel motivated to scour the text in search of further examples.
You're gonna love Harry Dresden's patented (tm) shitbox car.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 6, 2015

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

Nuurd
Apr 21, 2005

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

This is amazing.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

This is why one of the golden rules of publishing is never to reply to reviews. You look stupid in the best of cases. I guess self-publishing adds the cutthroat nature of the market to "People are wrong on the Internet"-syndrome.

The review isn't even bad, it's just "I didn't like it". Literally every book in the world has the same said about it. I've had books of mine reviewed one star because of coarse language. It happens.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

loving prime quote from the author:

quote:

I'm not embarrassed at all. And all of you who are taking Cait S's side, what you're doing in the bigger picture is waging war on the consciousness of humanity.

Amberskin
Dec 22, 2013

We come in peace! Legit!

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

gently caress. That dude is an rear end in a top hat. Or a schyzo, in a very bad need of medication.

Wow

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



This is the brave new Tumblr world where if you can't say something 100% nice, then don't say anything at all - note the person in the middle of the conversation seriously arguing that if you don't like a book, you should not review it.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Prop Wash posted:

This is the brave new Tumblr world where if you can't say something 100% nice, then don't say anything at all - note the person in the middle of the conversation seriously arguing that if you don't like a book, you should not review it.

"Don't like it, don't read!" has been the battlecry of terrible fanfiction authors for decades. Now they've graduated to writing novels, and they take their review policy with them.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

Prop Wash posted:

This is the brave new Tumblr world where if you can't say something 100% nice, then don't say anything at all - note the person in the middle of the conversation seriously arguing that if you don't like a book, you should not review it.

Pretty sure the person arguing that is the actual author.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Amberskin posted:

gently caress. That dude is an rear end in a top hat. Or a schyzo, in a very bad need of medication.

Wow

Yeah I definitely got a mental illness vibe from his second comment.

So basically he's a fantasy author :v:

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1258987648?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
I like that review since it has two stars, not just one.

As an aside, do you guys care whether you have omnibuses or individual books in a series on your ereaders? Omnibuses generally have all the final editings and stuff, right?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I prefer omnibuses since it can get a hassle when you read multiple longass series and your reader is full of those little 200-page books. And yeah, I think they've got another editing pass.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
I prefer individual books because it's more satisfying to reach the 100% of book each time you finish one.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
Oh, I forgot ereaders have achievements like videogames now, don't they?

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Oh, joy. Just another author meltdown :)

https://www.goodreads.com/review/1299877698/comments

This just... wow.

This is pretty incredible. Going through the author's website and social media, he is an Alex Jones Infowars conspiracy theorist and wrote this book to express what he thinks is going on in the world today. The book has got to be really weirdly written, if he actually gets into that all that much, unless he's an extremely good writer.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I like individual books because I think they tend to look better on the shelf, and they're easier to carry around.

... what?

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

ArchangeI posted:

This is why one of the golden rules of publishing is never to reply to reviews. You look stupid in the best of cases. I guess self-publishing adds the cutthroat nature of the market to "People are wrong on the Internet"-syndrome.

The review isn't even bad, it's just "I didn't like it". Literally every book in the world has the same said about it. I've had books of mine reviewed one star because of coarse language. It happens.

One of the major rules of community interaction is "it doesn't matter who's right, when you fight with your audience you're wrong" for a reason.

If that guy spends 100 hours a week writing "so I don't have to be a slave" then him being insane isn't much of a shock really.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Selachian posted:

I like individual books because I think they tend to look better on the shelf, and they're easier to carry around.

... what?

:agreed:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Evil Fluffy posted:

One of the major rules of community interaction is "it doesn't matter who's right, when you fight with your audience you're wrong" for a reason.

If that guy spends 100 hours a week writing "so I don't have to be a slave" then him being insane isn't much of a shock really.

Yeah, like any self-respecting slavemaster would give his chattel a hundred free hours to do anything. Honestly, the inability of authors to do even basic research on an ancient and noble industry... guh, makes you want to vomit. Or, y'know, have one of your slaves do it for you.

Manual! Time to earn your keep!

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Darth Walrus posted:

Yeah, like any self-respecting slavemaster would give his chattel a hundred free hours to do anything. Honestly, the inability of authors to do even basic research on an ancient and noble industry... guh, makes you want to vomit. Or, y'know, have one of your slaves do it for you.

Manual! Time to earn your keep!


He tweets something like this about once a week. He also says stuff like the income tax makes him a slave owned by the government. It's all pretty standard stuff if you ever look into the crazy fringe Sovereign Citizen stuff, but he's a bit more out there than even most of them,as he's tweeted stuff that indicates he might be a flat-Earther and David Icke lizardman believer.

But he used this sick burn while yelling at one of that reviewer's friends who also commented:
"Good on you, Bail. Or is it Ba'al? Condemnation without investigation is the epitome of human ignorance."

Bail? More like Ba'al.
:smug:

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
poo poo, he just got insulted by a god of agriculture.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Selachian posted:

I like individual books because I think they tend to look better on the shelf, and they're easier to carry around.

... what?

My question was for ereaders.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Drifter posted:

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1258987648?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
I like that review since it has two stars, not just one.

As an aside, do you guys care whether you have omnibuses or individual books in a series on your ereaders? Omnibuses generally have all the final editings and stuff, right?

I prefer the omnibus editions because it keeps my directory neater to have trilogies and the like as one entry. Also, a lot of omnibus editions have extra stuff added. Short stories, author interviews, etc.

Rusty
Sep 28, 2001
Dinosaur Gum

Drifter posted:

Oh, I forgot ereaders have achievements like videogames now, don't they?
I haven't seen anything like that in Kindle or iBooks.

Hand Row
May 28, 2001

Rusty posted:

I haven't seen anything like that in Kindle or iBooks.

He was referring to the 100% comment. When viewing books in your list it shows how far you are in it, with Kindles anyway.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
The audible app literally has cheevos.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
Yeah, gamification is a thing that people really like to apply places it doesn't need to be. I wonder if there's someone out there who buys books for the achievements.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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General Battuta posted:

Yes, it's one of the high water marks of the entire science fiction genre, and some of them are among my favorite novels across any genre.

Don't start with Consider Phlebas. Start with Player of Games. Excession is the one with the most spaceships. Use of Weapons is the best one.

It's not really a series so much as a number of novels set in the same world so you can go out of order.

I'll counterpoint this by saying I don't think much of the Culture novels in general. The Player of Games is excellent, no dispute about that, but much of the rest is basic SF with a thick pasting of left wing intellectualism. The Culture itself is a post-scarcity socialist utopia run by AIs with godlike intellect - which is why they share all the author's beliefs and prejudices - and as such it suffers the usual problem of stories where the plot is driven by agents beyond human comprehension: the only way to explain the plot is to assume that those agents are correct. Banks did it a lot better than most, it must be said, but I just couldn't get into books where the GUA* I'm Not As Clever As I Think I Am carefully patronises the gently caress out of the protagonists for 400 pages.

Also avoid Feersum Endjinn. It goes way beyond faux-intellectualism and into complete wank. It's not a Culture novel, though it was disguised as one in its original printing.


* Generally Unexpanded Acronym

Snuffman
May 21, 2004

Rusty posted:

I haven't seen anything like that in Kindle or iBooks.

Kobo's certainly have them. :saddowns:

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I blew through the Kobo achievements in about 2 days IIRC. They are set at pathetically low levels.

I'd far prefer it if they could, for instance, link up with Goodreads and ask me to rate each book when I finish it. I never get round to updating Goodreads any more.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

thespaceinvader posted:

I blew through the Kobo achievements in about 2 days IIRC. They are set at pathetically low levels.

I'd far prefer it if they could, for instance, link up with Goodreads and ask me to rate each book when I finish it. I never get round to updating Goodreads any more.

It's available on Paperwhite, since Amazon owns Goodreads.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jedit posted:

I'll counterpoint this by saying I don't think much of the Culture novels in general. The Player of Games is excellent, no dispute about that, but much of the rest is basic SF with a thick pasting of left wing intellectualism. The Culture itself is a post-scarcity socialist utopia run by AIs with godlike intellect - which is why they share all the author's beliefs and prejudices - and as such it suffers the usual problem of stories where the plot is driven by agents beyond human comprehension: the only way to explain the plot is to assume that those agents are correct. Banks did it a lot better than most, it must be said, but I just couldn't get into books where the GUA* I'm Not As Clever As I Think I Am carefully patronises the gently caress out of the protagonists for 400 pages.

Also avoid Feersum Endjinn. It goes way beyond faux-intellectualism and into complete wank. It's not a Culture novel, though it was disguised as one in its original printing.


* Generally Unexpanded Acronym

Fully half the Culture books disagree exactly with this.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



Jedit posted:

I'll counterpoint this by saying I don't think much of the Culture novels in general. The Player of Games is excellent, no dispute about that, but much of the rest is basic SF with a thick pasting of left wing intellectualism. The Culture itself is a post-scarcity socialist utopia run by AIs with godlike intellect - which is why they share all the author's beliefs and prejudices - and as such it suffers the usual problem of stories where the plot is driven by agents beyond human comprehension: the only way to explain the plot is to assume that those agents are correct. Banks did it a lot better than most, it must be said, but I just couldn't get into books where the GUA* I'm Not As Clever As I Think I Am carefully patronises the gently caress out of the protagonists for 400 pages.

Also avoid Feersum Endjinn. It goes way beyond faux-intellectualism and into complete wank. It's not a Culture novel, though it was disguised as one in its original printing.


* Generally Unexpanded Acronym

As a counter-counterpoint I think one of the most compelling things about the Culture is that I don't think we're necessarily supposed to agree with the Culture's warmongering, interventionist standpoint. Consider Phlebas is very upfront about this - the Culture went to war because they feared that their sphere of influence was being challenged by the Idirans. The Player of Games exists entirely because the Culture decides to infiltrate and destabilize a small empire for no reason other than that they disagree with its governance. Excession is in many ways directly critical of the Culture.

Zaphiel
Apr 20, 2006


Fun Shoe
I just finished Bridge of Birds last night and it was awesome. I found out that there are two more books in the series, are they any good? I didn't see any mention of them here.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Yes

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Not as good but definitely worth reading.

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fritz
Jul 26, 2003

I haven't read the third one in a long long time, but I re-read the second a couple years ago and it was a lot more mean-spirited and charmless than I remembered.

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