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tbp posted:i dont think when evaluating a manager the style that they play really matters. mourinho is one of the best ever and his teams are insanely fail. also why do ppl forget that barca was bad the season before pep started managing them, surely if "just letting messi/henry/etoo do their thing" was so easy than riijkaard would never have gotten fired in the first place. getting rid of ronaldinho was an insanely bold move i think considering hewas the face of the club, and messi was nowhere near best of all time status when pep started. those are big things i think those are all big things that were good but you could make the same kind of arguments about Luis Enrique stuffing the best player in the world out on the right, bringing in a biter, moving away from the "signature" style of play, etc. and no one is saying he's a GOAT. Pep is a good manager but he's no GOAT. My point is that you'd be laughed out of the room if you suggested Luis could be one after a win tomorrow, yet Pep is considered one.
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not not luvd posted:ah yes ninpo the bundeliga watcher Nobody is saying he's a bad manager luvd
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Jose posted:Nobody is saying he's a bad manager luvd No one is saying he's the best of all time either
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Jose posted:Nobody is saying he's a bad manager luvd I am
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El Hefe posted:No one is saying he's the best of all time either Some say it, or said it a couple of years ago
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Some say it, or said it a couple of years ago
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tbp posted:i dont think when evaluating a manager the style that they play really matters. mourinho is one of the best ever and his teams are insanely fail. also why do ppl forget that barca was bad the season before pep started managing them, surely if "just letting messi/henry/etoo do their thing" was so easy than riijkaard would never have gotten fired in the first place. getting rid of ronaldinho was an insanely bold move i think considering hewas the face of the club, and messi was nowhere near best of all time status when pep started. those are big things i think Barcelona knows when a top player has lost his quality and knows when to drop him\bench him. Casillas and Sergio Ramos wouldn't be starting in Barcelona just because they're home boys.
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I still can't believe Madrid brought in Rafa. What a farce of a club.
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Mans posted:Barcelona knows when a top player has lost his quality and knows when to drop him\bench him. Casillas and Sergio Ramos wouldn't be starting in Barcelona just because they're home boys. The response to this will always be Gerard Pique
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Byolante posted:The response to this will always be Gerard Pique Pique has been WAY better this season than he has the last couple to be fair to him.
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Byolante posted:The response to this will always be Gerard Pique Puyol was pretty dire in the last couple of seasons when they insisted on playing him despite him barely representing a whole human being.
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Ninpo posted:Puyol was pretty dire in the last couple of seasons when they insisted on playing him despite him barely representing a whole human being. Nah. He hardly played at all the last few years. And he wasn't dire when he did play, he was just always injured.
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Byolante posted:The response to this will always be Gerard Pique Ninpo posted:Puyol was pretty dire in the last couple of seasons when they insisted on playing him despite him barely representing a whole human being. I'm pretty sure you people either don't actually watch Barca games or you don't know anything about football
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Jun 6, 2015 16:14
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Gerard Pique is 28 now what the gently caress
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Jun 6, 2015 16:16
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He's also got two kids with Shakira. Time flies.
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El Hefe posted:I'm pretty sure you people either don't actually watch Barca games or you don't know anything about football He revolutionised the concept of defenders who have no positional awareness and paved the way as a fuckwit who is always in the wrong place for such luminaries as Sakho, Mangala, Lovren and David Luis
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Parody Threads posted:those are all big things that were good but you could make the same kind of arguments about Luis Enrique stuffing the best player in the world out on the right, bringing in a biter, moving away from the "signature" style of play, etc. and no one is saying he's a GOAT. this is true, you are right. but if luis enrique wins today, goes on to win 3 la ligas in a row, adds another CL in a really dominating fashion, gets to the semis of the CL at least every year hes at the club, then adds two more others leagues its gonna be tough to deny him. i think a weird part about it is that trebles have become weirdly devalued now.. i mean obviously its still the best you could possibly do in a year but there's been three now within like 6 years or whatever, whereas before it was decades btwn them iirc.
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tbp posted:this is true, you are right. but if luis enrique wins today, goes on to win 3 la ligas in a row, adds another CL in a really dominating fashion, gets to the semis of the CL at least every year hes at the club, then adds two more others leagues its gonna be tough to deny him. i think a weird part about it is that trebles have become weirdly devalued now.. i mean obviously its still the best you could possibly do in a year but there's been three now within like 6 years or whatever, whereas before it was decades btwn them iirc. It'll probably never happen but quadruples that are 4 meaningful tournaments are possible in some countries
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Healbot posted:He's also got two kids with Shakira. He might be the actual winner here
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Ninpo posted:Puyol was pretty dire in the last couple of seasons when they insisted on playing him despite him barely representing a whole human being. You really don't know gently caress all about football do you?
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Puyol was a beast, this was the least convincing treble winning team ever, and Messi couldn't do it on a warm night in Berlin, but Suarez could. Next season we get to see Rafa try and turn Ronaldo into a center forward. That will go about as well as all the other times they have tried to turn Ronaldo into a center forward. With Rafa coming in, might as well make it a QUADRUPLE and hand the '15-'16 La Liga title to Barca right now.
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Montasque posted:this was the least convincing treble winning team ever, You are delusional if this isn't a troll.
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Lladre posted:You are delusional if this isn't a troll. Barca '09, and United '99 did it better.
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Montasque posted:Barca '09, and United '99 did it better. In what way was barca 09 better?
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Actually Inter was the best because they made everyone including me extremely mad. For real though this Barca is on another planet.
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it's incredibly retarded how people can look at treble winning teams (with European trophies obviously) and say "nah they're terrible" with a serious face.
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Gigi Galli posted:For real though this Barca is on another planet. i think it's a great team, just like Bayern 2013 and a few other teams over the last 10-15 years. but Barca 2009 was something else entirely, they revolutionized the game and will go down in history as one of the 3-4 best club teams ever.
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DrakeD posted:i think it's a great team, just like Bayern 2013 and a few other teams over the last 10-15 years. They were outrageously good and probably in the best 3-4 clubs ever but didn't really revolutionise the game
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DrakeD posted:i think it's a great team, just like Bayern 2013 and a few other teams over the last 10-15 years. The 09 team did absolutely change the game as we know it (maybe not for better) but this current iteration seems better to me in that they utterly dominate games in an exciting way. 09 Barca got old quick, but I do agree that they're in the group of the best teams of all time simply because so many other teams have tried to be them with not much success. I guess what I'm saying is that I actually enjoy watching this Barca play when they're not all falling down. I enjoyed the 09 one at first but not for long.
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Jose posted:They were outrageously good and probably in the best 3-4 clubs ever but didn't really revolutionise the game How many teams are still trying to play that hyper possessive one touch football? It wasn't a new concept but never had it been so effective.
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Barca 09 is Goku SSJ but but nowadays Barca is basically that version of Gohan who didn't even need spiky gold hair, he was just unstopable chilling in his normal state.
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Gigi Galli posted:How many teams are still trying to play that hyper possessive one touch football? It wasn't a new concept but never had it been so effective. It seems the end game of total football to me which was revolutionary and also no surprise it was Barca who did it. I'm surprised how quickly it was stopped really
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Gigi Galli posted:
me too, but just because they were almost always so much dominant that they basically annihilated the opposite teams. this team concedes A LOT more, which sure makes for more entertaining matches. IMO
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Gigi Galli posted:Actually Inter was the best because they made everyone including me extremely mad. Yeah that Inter team was phenomenal. The '09 team was also phenomenal. But this year's team had to play against a lot stiffer competition than then, in all three competitions.
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They've conceded hardly any goals in the league iirc its some kind of record or matches it
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Jose posted:They've conceded hardly any goals in the league iirc its some kind of record or matches it bof baf. maybe my memory at fault then, but i definitely remember them way harder to score against when it actually mattered.
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