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Fungah! posted:i;ve seen people do it on sa before and i've read short essays from people who defend robert howard's racism because it's just fantasy, chill out. i'll admit though, don't have any of it in front of me and i didn't see it in here. mostly wanted to bring up the cross burning thing becauise not many people know about that letter People who do this need to read Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream and sit in a loving corner until they understand what they've done.
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Bedlamdan posted:If Lovecraft were alive today he'd just be posting funny memes on /pol/ A fellow redpilled sir.
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I assumed people would dislike Lovecraft stuff due to his racism because sometimes it's hard to ignore and I could see that putting people off. Still, don't read Lair of the White Worm everyone.
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Lovecraft's mom was a suffragette and his writing was for the most part less sexist than his contemporaries. He'd be a racist white feminist if he was alive today. He was also not a shut in, more well traveled than most people are today and was in communication with dozens of people at all times through mail.
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I'd like to note, for the record, that the various defenses of Lovecraft in this thread have actually convinced me to entirely avoid his work if at all possible, so you kinda did the opposite of what I'm assuming you were trying to accomplish. So, y'know. There's that!
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That and the "Well it was good for it's time" seem.. off to me, sure we can't really morally condemn the author using our standards but when examining the work in TYOOL 20015 we should probably apply our standards. Death of the author and all that.
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Queen Fiona posted:I'd like to note, for the record, that the various defenses of Lovecraft in this thread have actually convinced me to entirely avoid his work if at all possible, so you kinda did the opposite of what I'm assuming you were trying to accomplish. So, y'know. There's that! Say that to someone who gives a poo poo.
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I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, like it or not Chaosium and CoC are very important in the history of Traditional Games.
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poo poo is this the history of trad games thread and I didn't notice, now i'll get posting detention and have to do extra homework.
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Queen Fiona posted:'Railroading' is something of a dirty word, but honestly? My greatest successes have been when I've thought ahead toward an endgame. You don't need to plan out entire campaigns at once, and you should always be willing to change your plans based on player action and response, but having an idea of 'the plot' and machinations going on behind the scenes helps keep parties going along. It's generally better to over-plan than to under-plan.  . Queen Fiona posted:If you want to be more responsive with player input (and that's a fair cop), well, that requires the players having a willingness to provide said input. Sometimes it's just a matter of asking or cooperating, but sometimes it helps to lay things upfront. One thing you could do is provide some prompts, like GMs tend to do in The Game Room - ask them some questions that you can use as story seeds, make sure there are preexisting connections in the world. It's much easier for players to remain invested in something when they have a stake in it, rather than interacting on an external level and poking at the world state. I'll definitely try and commit this to memory, it's good advice, thanks.
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Fungah! posted:i;ve seen people do it on sa before and i've read short essays from people who defend robert howard's racism because it's just fantasy, chill out. i'll admit though, don't have any of it in front of me and i didn't see it in here. mostly wanted to bring up the cross burning thing becauise not many people know about that letter It's a worthwhile ability to be able to recognize good things in a work, and to simultaneously acknowledge bad things, without the former excusing the latter or vice versa.
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Fsmhunk posted:I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, like it or not Chaosium and CoC are very important in the history of Traditional Games. It inspired this, it's deffo important. 
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01011001 posted:It's a worthwhile ability to be able to recognize good things in a work, and to simultaneously acknowledge bad things, without the former excusing the latter or vice versa. Your posting is as good as your choice in nintendo 2nd party based strategy games.
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Stormgale posted:poo poo is this the history of trad games thread and I didn't notice, now i'll get posting detention and have to do extra homework. It isn't, but that was the context that I mentioned Lovecraft in the first place.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:It inspired this, it's deffo important. But is there room in this world for both? 
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Fsmhunk posted:It isn't, but that was the context that I mentioned Lovecraft in the first place. I'm really not sure the chat thread is the best place for that, maybe the industry thread.
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NachtSieger posted:I'll definitely try and commit this to memory, it's good advice, thanks. Not a problem!  I'm gonna have to think up good prompts for my own game, actually. I have the world state set up (or rather, previous PCs set it up for me), but not a plot per se beyond a couple of elements - I'm hoping to get good details out of apps, Icon relationships, and prompt answers to get a good narrative going.Stormgale posted:Your posting is as good as your choice in nintendo 2nd party based strategy games. I'd agree with this more if people would stop getting eye-rolly at me about Awakening.  TheLovablePlutonis posted:It inspired this, it's deffo important. Fsmhunk posted:But is there room in this world for both? These covers sum up my whole Lovecraft disinterest thing better than words ever could.
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Well that's too bad, because my guys at Steve Jackson Games have countless more Cthulhu themed products if you change your mind.
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Fsmhunk posted:Well that's too bad, because my guys at Steve Jackson Games have countless more Cthulhu themed products if you change your mind.
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FactsAreUseless posted:In strange eons even death may die, but Munchkin still won't be fun. The Elder Munchkin shall last beyond the death of the starts, eternal is their watch. (and so we come full circle)
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Munchkin is goddamn awesome
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Looking to dip my toes into a wider pool of RP options. While I'm not exactly strapped for cash, cheap and/or free systems are preferred. To give a starting point, I've played or am at least somewhat familiar with Risus, Dogs in the Vineyard, Microlite20, Fate Accelerated, and Maid RPG. The majority of my RP experience has been with Microlite, followed by Fate.
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Every system is for free if you are willing to look on the right places.
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Bad Seafood posted:Looking to dip my toes into a wider pool of RP options. While I'm not exactly strapped for cash, cheap and/or free systems are preferred. What sorta themes or stories are you looking to explore?
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I'm open to anything, in theory.
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Bad Seafood posted:I'm open to anything, in theory. We're going to need a bit more to go on than that, I think! Could you give us an idea of what you enjoyed or didn't from the systems you've had experience with? That can give us more to go on when suggesting other directions. Also, you don't need to spoiler-tag Maid. Or at least, I don't think you should have to! TheLovablePlutonis posted:Every system is for free if you are willing to look on the right places. I should probably just stop replying to you, but  are kind of not allowed around here?
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Queen Fiona posted:Also, you don't need to spoiler-tag Maid. Or at least, I don't think you should have to! I feel that Rp was Maid to be spoiled
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Queen Fiona posted:I should probably just stop replying to you, but You should probably stop posting altogether but it's not like I said that he should look into piracy.
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Stormgale posted:I feel that Rp was Maid to be spoiled No joke, I suggested a Touhou-based Maid oneshot (in which everyone was brainwashed into being a maid at the SDM and had to fix that), and then everyone said they just wanted a game with Fiona as the Master (Mistress?) instead.
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FWIW, I wish there was a story where some gibbering Lovecraftian horror came into our world and promptly died choking on mustard gas; sort of a "the horrors of the universe meet man's capacity for industrial grade slaughter" theme. Gas being one of the first weapons requiring an advanced scientific and industrial base and all. (Shells and bullets are sort of like that, but examples like Japan's cottage industry setup in WWII show that it's not quite as perfect an example as a weapon which requires a strong theoretical understanding of chemistry and big distillation towers to make.) Then again, I also want to invade Cimmeria and Carcosa and Gor and all those other "sword and sorcery" worlds with picked (bishie) pilots and (bishie) battalions of soldiers under (lesbian) commanders, so maybe I'm not the best person to analyze early 20th century pop fiction.
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I, for one, would gladly take the lead in the Liberation of Gor. There are lesbian Goreans out there, though. Don't ask me how that works, seriously.
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Queen Fiona posted:I, for one, would gladly take the lead in the Liberation of Gor.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Appropriate use of the [sub] tag.
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Stormgale posted:For example I don't like lovecraft inspired stuff because 9/10 it's a nihilistic suicide run that will end in failure at best, I don't see the point in playing a game about a story that you cant meaningfully alter. August Derleth's material is better for gaming than straight Lovecraft. By saying that, I have neatly solved the thread problem, because every Lovecraft fan reading this post will now have to go to the hospital to have the exploded throbbing vein in their forehead repaired.
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um no the proper use of the [sub] tag is "[sub] early and [sub] often" 
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Mormon Star Wars posted:August Derleth's material is better for gaming than straight Lovecraft. By saying that, I have neatly solved the thread problem, because every Lovecraft fan reading this post will now have to go to the hospital to have the exploded throbbing vein in their forehead repaired. You're a credit to the thread, MSW.  Ningyou posted:um no the proper use of the [sub] tag is "[sub] early and [sub] often" It really is too bad there's no [dom] tag. (Or [domme] tag, as the case may be.) 
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I normally have no patience for Chthulu and horror gaming in general (being powerless in the face of incomprehensible horrors isn't really my cup of tea), but the Laundry Files games and books are pretty good (except when Stross is going on about how wonderful Mo and his new character that breaks the rules about how to do magic* are). The world is hosed and it's hosed pretty soon, but it doesn't feel as though the characters are wasting their time. * She can do magic with her brainmeats and this apparently does not gently caress her up
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so for a second i misread that as "I normally have no patience for Chuubo and horror gaming in general" and got REALLY CONFUSED but also the little bit of Atrocity Archives I read was interestingish and I've been sort-of-kind-of meaning to finish it at some point but for the most part I feel like Stross' other stuff is way more interesting.  (aaaaaa read glasshouse you dorks)
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Bad Seafood posted:I'm open to anything, in theory. Atomic Highway is cool and free vi Drivethru RPG
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Queen Fiona posted:It really is too bad there's no [dom] tag. (Or [domme] tag, as the case may be.) I feel it would dominate tag usage and that would be a problem
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