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The next logical step from Jo is a race-baiting reverse-racist Beast. Or why not a Beast who ruins innocent men's lives with false rape accusations? This feels like watching someone take a slow-motion poo poo in the punchbowl.
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Onwards!quote:“The gently caress are you looking at, dipshit?” Kyle snarled, standing up and walking up with his hands out in a macho pose he’d probably seen in a dozen tough guy movies.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 07:42 |
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Another thing Beasts seem to be missing: any consequences at all for just, being supernatural in front whoever they feel needs to be hosed with at the moment. The Masquerade is for chumps.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 07:47 |
Thats just a moment of awesome from tropertales isn't it? It reads the same.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 07:50 |
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quote:In the light of reason, humans think they killed the monsters. The real ones, that is. The wolf needs their help just to survive. The only lions and tigers are in zoos. Dinosaur bones are strung up like trophies in natural history museums. Monsters are back, baby, and they're here to quote:A Beast is an atavistic throwback, a human being with the soul of a mythic monster, itself a manifestation of a fundamental fear: of the unclean and unknown, of the predator lurking in the shadows, and of forces beyond human reckoning. quote:In order to understand a bit more about the characters in Beast: The Primordial, here are some common beliefs and how they align with the Begotten: Hm. quote:Beasts are born, not made, and reared in a world that instinctively fears them. It does not matter if she is rich or poor, hideous or lovely, gay or straight or somewhere in between. People look askance at what they know is not human even though, objectively speaking, they have no reason to fear. Not at first. I guess that the gleeful, willing malice of the Beasts is what makes them so unpalatable. It's sad that their souls are, from birth, trying to drag them back into being monsters. It's intolerable that they be allowed to exist once that happens, though. There's nobody except the book who can make Beasts sound like things that need to live for the world to be a good place. quote:The Beast and her Soul are one, two aspects of the same being, but their existence is fraught with tension. If her conscious self is the Ego, then her Soul is undoubtedly the Id. Its urges are blunt and instinctual: Hunt. Kill. Feed. Survive. Like the Id, the Soul cannot be reasoned or bargained with, only sated, and she must do so if she hopes to keep peace between them. Unfortunately, what the Soul demands may be abhorrent. Morality is irrelevant to its single-minded pursuit of its defining Hunger. The Predator must hunt. The Collector must take. The Tyrant must rule. These are not cravings; they are categorical imperatives. A vampire who doesn't feed will not wake up. They hurt people because they need blood to live, and if they can somehow find a way to get blood without assaulting someone, then they don't have to hurt people. A beast who does not scare people will end up hurting people anyway. They hurt people because their soul demands it, but it actually doesn't matter anyway because either they go nuts and cause too much fear, or they don't cause enough and their soul overrides their protests and does it regardless. Holy poo poo, did Beast just deprotagonize not only Heroes, but itself?
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:04 |
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quote:Centuries, if not millennia, have passed, but Kinship cannot be denied. Beasts have many ways to aid their cousins and bring them back into the fold: helping feed their Hungers, alien though they may be, augmenting their supernatural abilities, and even teaching them how to walk the Primordial Pathways again. If their bond is strong enough, Beasts can even bring them into their Lairs. Can you even imagine how stupid a supernatural creature would have to be for it to somehow be a pawn of half of the sample characters listed Who the hell is going to caddy for these idiots, and why would they unless it's just straight cash quote:The wolf must hunt. Bound by this law, Uratha embody the Hunger for the Prey; they are blood brothers to Beasts with similar appetites, right down to competition over who is the better predator. Their pack loyalty more than makes up for any conflict, though, if they can be won as friends. Moreover, Uratha have a natural affinity for the Primordial Pathways, which are not too different from navigating the Shadow. The wolf must hunt. Unfortunately for Beasts looking for stuff in common, the wolf is probably not inclined to hook up its prey's extremities to a car battery for kicks or whatever the gently caress quote:The Unchained are extraordinarily secretive and seem to hold the Children in contempt. Same quote:Encounters frequently terminate in violence and vicious rivalry, particularly if the Beast sees through the demon’s human façade. The stories of the God-Machine that Beasts have pieced Good. Demons are cool, and shouldn't have to put up with this. quote:Beasts band together for the same reasons humans do: camaraderie, convenience, and mutual protection. They lack the world-spanning secret societies of mages and vampires, but the bonds they share are far more intimate. Indeed, the brood is Beast society as far as its members are concerned. Each is a surrogate family with its own territory defined by their collective influence on the Primordial Dream and how many people they affect. A brood can host any combination, not just Family members. Even other creatures, such as vampires and werewolves, are welcome to join. Do you know why mages and vampires have world-spanning secret societies? Because it gives their lines weight and stakes. If Vampire didn't have the covenants bouncing off each other, or Mage didn't have the Exarchs and Seers, the games would be narratively inert except for the campaigns that run at the smallest possible scope. Beasts hunt! And...explore...? And...uh... tatankatonk fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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I FOUND IT I FOUND THE BEAST WHO FEEDS ON PEOPLE NOT TIPPING quote:A trucker lumbers out of his booth and settles up. Sin-you knows what comes next. He smelled it in the man’s dime-store deodorant, and he sees it in the exact change he counts out over the cash WITNESS ME
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:20 |
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tatankatonk posted:I FOUND IT I can't believe they actually put that in, to be honest
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:27 |
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Sorry, I left out the second half of that story because I was so excited.quote:Miles away, the trucker’s mind is wandering up the interstate. The waitress he pinched. The waiter he called a human being. The call girl with the bloody lip. They’re crawling over the walls of his cabin, tearing out soft pieces of his body and screaming obscenities he can’t hear but understands in the pit of his belly. He pulls his rig onto a side road before it slams into a concrete barrier. You know what's bad? Homophobia, misogyny, and physically assaulting people. You know what none of those things warrants, except if you're Judge Dredd? Summary execution. quote:When a Beast is nearly full to bursting, her Nightmares flow. As the Soul grows content and slothful, the Beast wrests away a scrap of its strength. With that borrowed power, she commands fear with the precision of a general. I have not read the Heroes section yet. I cannot fathom what arguments are used to position them as bad people when this is what they're fighting. quote:But as the Soul gluts on the Beast’s victims, its appetites grow more exacting. It won’t take just any gold or murder; it takes Fort Knox bullion and ritualized serial killing. The Soul has no use for temperance when gluttony is a virtue. quote:Starvation is fire. Skin blisters as the Beast forges weapons from her own body, with the hammer of the Soul’s mania shaping her designs. In exchange for pain, the unsated Beast gains focus and guile, and as her Hunger pangs grow, so do her Atavisms. Her irises warp into daggers and venom drips from her claws. She can smell threats that others can’t and sees the labels of friend or foe in every stranger. She becomes the pinnacle of survival, at least until the next meal. So at one extreme you have just being a huge feral monster. At the other extreme, you have ritualized serial killing. In the middle, you have making people beg you for life, or terrorizing them through emotional abuse, or ruining people's cherished items and sense of safety, or just straight up tricking people and then murdering them in the name of justice. What a cool game.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:33 |
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This reads like the poo poo moms in the 80s thought D&D was.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:38 |
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tatankatonk posted:I FOUND IT My god in heaven.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:39 |
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"Sin-you" is at least an unintentionally perfect name for a vicious murderer who blames all of his crimes on the failures of his victims.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:40 |
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I know nothing inspires dread so much as the dark concept of Food Coma. You'll note the only drawback of indulging too much isn't a loss of control or whatever, it's 'the people I just tortured might find and extract vengeance on me because I'm vulnerable'. As they goddamn well should, I haven't seen anything to suggest Beasts shouldn't get the mob song treatment every time anyone encounters them.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:42 |
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quote:Luka’s a Predator, the kind who uses every part, from skin to sinew. Zie thinks other carnivores are the best prey, and being hunted in return gives hir a special sort of thrill. Normally zie’d describe hirself as a conservationist, but sometimes the bleeding hearts go too far. The new laws mean a lot more rangers snooping around the woods looking for poachers. If they catch hir with a bloody bowie knife and a bear carcass, zie’ll have to answer uncomfortable questions. Luka’s Soul is hunting on its own now, and it’s acquiring brand new tastes. Ugly ones. This should be said really often: you are not doing LGBTQ people, or feminists, or whoever is standing in opposition to internet trolls/homophobes/MRAs or whatever, a favor by associating them with this. quote:They say that internal affairs is for slimeballs, and that describes Hollis well. He’s always had a strong sense of right and wrong, as well as an unerring eye for to exploit that quality for his own edification. Woe to the cop who comes across his desk, because whether or not she’s right, she’ll always be wrong. Playing that game can be delicate, though, and now he’s faltered. He’s been suspended for all kinds of violations (if only they knew), and the review board’s going to throw the book at him. Starving outside his red tape empire, it’s time for Hollis to make good on his rolodex of spite. Time to show these cops what justice really is. good gravy quote:The Beast who walks the middle path walks a tightrope. Middle Satiety gives her a clear head, neither softened by the sloth of fullness, nor gripped by the anxiety of starvation. But that’s the opportunity the Hero’s waiting for. Half-full Beasts are out of communion with their Souls. The primordial self doesn’t care what side the Beast chooses, but it can’t abide the middle. It wants rage or contentment. It wants anything but boredom. I'm not going to lie: if I didn't know anything about Heroes, I would be insanely confused at this point in the pdf. I would think: So they're the good guys, right? Because they want to stop these monsters, who have to kill, or kill but in really specific ways, or just kill, torture, and terrorize sometimes but not enough to drift to the extremes? Right? quote:Pompeii, Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima. These are the Ravager’s fantasy getaways: anywhere the restless dead are anchored by disaster. The Ravager’s not interested in helping them, though. He wants to revel in mass destruction, to make his Lair an instrument of entropy. No better way to learn of death than from those who can’t escape it. Talk about insulting the dead. quote:Fellow Beasts aren’t the only resources the Begotten have, though. Other monsters are the foundations of the World of Darkness, and their secrets are terrifyingly potent. Vampires have spent millennia building a society predicated on one big secret, while mages are addicted to solving mysteries in a reality they think to be a lie. It’s only natural that Beasts would want in on Malkavia plays a big part in my game. It's sad to see it reduced to this Oh poo poo it's Hero time
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:44 |
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Who on earth kickstarted this?
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:45 |
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Lunatics, mostly.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:50 |
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illrepute posted:Who on earth kickstarted this? Certainly people who didn't know better, based on a much better product produced previously. Like, Strix Chronicles was good. Demon was great!
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:50 |
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tatankatonk posted:This should be said really often: you are not doing LGBTQ people, or feminists, or whoever is standing in opposition to internet trolls/homophobes/MRAs or whatever, a favor by associating them with this. The idea that Beasts could have weaknesses is arrogance. Ooooooookay.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:50 |
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Loomer posted:Lunatics, mostly. I am pretty sure the Malkavians would look on this with scorn. But yeah in all seriousness this is baffling. Demon: The Descent was amazing. This is terrible. How on earth is this following that? Is it, like, a completely different team or something?
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:51 |
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Roland Jones posted:I am pretty sure the Malkavians would look on this with scorn. Nope. Shares a lead dev with Demon, in fact.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:53 |
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We just wanted to be Godzillas
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:54 |
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Crion posted:Nope. Shares a lead dev with Demon, in fact. Maybe they made a really middle of the road game, then removed all the terrible stuff and called it Demon. Then they took all that terrible stuff they took out and called that Beast.
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illrepute posted:Who on earth kickstarted this? I was going to.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 08:55 |
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quote:Take a high school bully, mate him with a rabid dog, and a Hero is born. The saying goes that fanatics redouble their efforts when they lose sight of their aims; if so, Heroes are an exceptional breed of fanatic. Their efforts leave no room to be redoubled, and their aims are barely coherent to begin with. I'm honestly at a loss at how to process this kind of cognitive dissonance. This is so unintentionally meta that it hurts to think about. I mean, to normal people, you've just described Beasts. Murderous psychopaths with extremely thin justifications for the terror and pain they inflict. quote:The man at the butcher shop remembers when his neighborhood was safe to walk at night. It’s the coddled kids, he mutters. Whelps raised up without the belt, like the punk who comes in and mouths off about the quality of his cuts. She’s the problem. All the little shits like her. He sees that clearly in his nightmares, in the eyes of the spider wrapping its webs over town. He’ll spread his own webs soon, made from cotton twine and clear, sterile plastic. So, we're supposed to read this and be like man these guys are lunatics! What a bunch of violent nutjobs. Except, they're right, and they're more right than any Hunter ever could be because Beasts supernaturally compel them to focus their anger on the correct target. Like, this is crazy. Those dudes ARE making people feel unsafe, they ARE making weird front organizations, that guy IS loving with people's promotions because it makes him happy and sated. And the Heroes have the problem of not caring about collateral damage, but that's still a way better starting point if you want to fight monsters than your average Hunter cell, who might not even be 100% sure that the person they're targeting is a wizard or a vampire, and not just a guy who never leaves his house. quote:To a degree, the Begotten understand the Heroic drive. Whether it’s for piles of gold or slaughtered prey, Beasts are equally slaves to instinct. The difference between a Beast’s lust and a Hero’s obsession is self-awareness. A Beast knows she’s crazy. She learns to live with it or she suffers. Justifications miss the point of having a Hunger in the first place. A Hero, on the other hand, will twist his brain to rationalize his hatred. It’s the same defense abusers cling to: blame the victim. Understanding that pathology makes the difference between a Beast with a Legend and a Beast with an encyclopedia entry. This is insane. This is abusers blaming the victim and then saying that the victim deserved it because they're not genre-savvy. tatankatonk fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Cabbit posted:Maybe they made a really middle of the road game, then removed all the terrible stuff and called it Demon. Then they took all that terrible stuff they took out and called that Beast. I think it's far more likely that the dev in question was given free license to write whatever he wanted on this line, and that the dev in question is very angry at a certain kind of person (who deserves that anger), and that the dev in question focused all of that into the text with amazing lack of self-assessment, reflection, or consideration of his own fallibility and the differences between himself and the other people targeted by the certain kind of person he is angry at. That's the charitable reading. Though it is worth noting that, as with all OPP products, the lead dev is hardly to blame or credit for everything. A bunch of people contributed to this.
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What happens if a Beast just gets a TF:V JDAM dropped on his head instead of being offed by heroes?
illrepute fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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quote:Incarnate Beast Golconda is uploading your consciousness to tv tropes dot org quote:The Hero of the story is an earthly paragon. He’s the light that holds the dark at bay. He takes up the call to adventure, he learns wisdom and sacrifice, he dies and resurrects. He’s Dionysus, Jesus, and Rama. The psycho loner that you made, remember. When you terrorized people to feed yourself. quote:The Hero has expectations. Forget his delusions and his ego, and even forget the monster that made him a zealot in the first place. It’s not the Beast who taught him how the tale is told. He goes to the movies; he reads books; he plays video games. His culture’s rammed the plot into him since he could understand words. The story belongs to him. I don't even know what to say anymore. The Heroes were doomed by the Beast, obviously. They're responsible, but the text itself denies that they are. The Beast is the actor, but only when they're excused of all moral responsibility to the situation that they create. I don't really want to succumb to easy hyperbole, but this is probably the most frustrating and depressing White Wolf/OPP product i've ever read. Changing Breeds was goofy and stupid and broken, but it didn't invent abusers out of nothing, and then play along in blaming the victims of those abusers.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:10 |
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Who would want to play this game after reading this pdf?
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:11 |
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illrepute posted:What happens if a Beast just gets a TF:V JDAM dropped on his head instead of being offed by heroes? The world is a better place.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:12 |
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illrepute posted:What happens if a Beast just gets a TF:V JDAM dropped on his head instead of being offed by heroes? Then you are, by definition, playing a Hunter or crossover game. This is not the correct way to play Beast.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:16 |
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I'm just wondering, is there a contingency plan for justifying the Beast's behavior if they open the door and instead of a bunch of MRA-caricature heroes, there's instead a full division of TF:V guys with tanks?Crion posted:Then you are, by definition, playing a Hunter or crossover game. This is not the correct way to play Beast.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:17 |
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illrepute posted:I'm just wondering, is there a contingency plan for justifying the Beast's behavior if they open the door and instead of a bunch of MRA-caricature heroes, there's instead a full division of TF:V guys with tanks? The book defines this as using Beasts as antagonists in a game of Hunter.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:18 |
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illrepute posted:I'm just wondering, is there a contingency plan for justifying the Beast's behavior if they open the door and instead of a bunch of MRA-caricature heroes, there's instead a full division of TF:V guys with tanks? That would never happen because if you don't love My Little Pony and e-cigs you couldn't possibly have a problem with a Beast's behavior.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:18 |
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Crion posted:The book defines this as using Beasts as antagonists in a game of Hunter. figures
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:19 |
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Crion posted:The book defines this as using Beasts as antagonists in a game of Hunter. That seems like a better fit all around.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:19 |
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illrepute posted:I'm just wondering, is there a contingency plan for justifying the Beast's behavior if they open the door and instead of a bunch of MRA-caricature heroes, there's instead a full division of TF:V guys with tanks? quote:
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:21 |
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Given the whole 'dream invasion' theme of beast, on a random note, I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be the "Incubi" in C:TL dreamstuff; weird unexplainable monster poo poo that shows up in the dreams of others that you fight off for folks you have an Oneiromancy pact with. Which makes the whole "Family" even -weirder-.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:27 |
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Beast: I'm a transgendered FTM registered nurse who volunteers for political and social equality for women often, I also chain up children in the wilderness and love watching them starve to death.. I am the good guy. Hero: I'm a regular person who was affect by her rampage and now dedicated to stop people like her to save my town, also I'm pro-life. Beast: You loving sicken me, you blind bigoted bastard NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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This is especially amazing considering that Heroism is something Beasts force on people.
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Where's anyone have that fake political cartoon of the guy screaming at Hitler, while Hitler sits there calmly and goes "wow all I want to do is kill all the jews and you won't let me, looks like you need to do some growing up pal" because this entire thing is an unironic version of that.
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# ? Jun 7, 2015 09:34 |