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there are currently some herbs on my desktop
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Anyone use elementary? I liked it, mostly because it was as close to Mac I was getting on that pos Lenovo laptop Now I use xfce cause whatever I'm either in full screen chome or multiple terminals.
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Jun 7, 2015 18:00
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i really hate the swipe clock screen that gnome shits out whenever my laptop goes to screensaver or sleep linux on the rhetorical tablet environment that noone wants
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Jun 7, 2015 18:49
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u don't need to swipe at all, just type. if it bothers you it should not be hard to janitor away
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Jun 7, 2015 19:00
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ya i usually press escape to get it to gently caress off
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Jun 7, 2015 20:23
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u can literally Just Start Typing without pressing any modifier keys. at least thast how it is on my excellente UBUNTU GNOME
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Jun 7, 2015 20:24
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Smythe posted:u can literally Just Start Typing without pressing any modifier keys. at least thast how it is on my excellente UBUNTU GNOME did you ever find out how to do those foreign accent letters?
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Jun 7, 2015 20:27
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ya just start typing ur password into a box u can't see yet
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Jun 7, 2015 20:31
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Valeyard posted:did you ever find out how to do those foreign accent letters? i believe u haveto assigfn a "compose" key which i havent done yet but ive had this tab open for a few days now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
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Jun 7, 2015 20:35
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Progressive JPEG posted:ya just start typing ur password into a box u can't see yet ya. exactly. by the time the pane thing is half way up ive already mashed enter and im flying into the coolscape of teh GNOME 3 desktop envinront
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Jun 7, 2015 20:36
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the new gnome lock screen is outrageously bad ui of the most offensive sort. it gives you absolutely no loving cues (visual or otherwise) that you can just start typing. it doesn't even give you a cue that you can swipe the screen away and this is especially bad because it does this even on non touch screen computers where nobody in their right mind starts click-and-dragging random bits of the screen to see what happens (at least if it was actually on a tablet youd see some poo poo move when you brushed the screen by accident or intent) for that matter it doesn't really show whats going on at all, it's basically just a blank screen, last i saw it (which was on fedora 21). our users hated it. what planet are gnome people on that this was actually shipped? who thought it was a good idea?
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Jun 7, 2015 20:36
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wait i bet i know what happened they took the pundits (lol) who claimed apple was tablet-izing os x seriously, and cargo culted that new ui paradigm without actually bothering to obtain an oh ess ex computer and check out how it actually worked before copying how they thought it worked
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Jun 7, 2015 20:42
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Jun 7, 2015 20:47
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BobHoward posted:it doesn't even give you a cue that you can swipe the screen away the upward moving arrow graphic is this cue + it's self evident imo. just swap it out for xscreensaver or whatever if it's a problem
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Jun 7, 2015 20:51
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BobHoward posted:wait i bet i know what happened they pretty clearly copied Windows (badly), it behaves like a parody of Windows 8
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Jun 7, 2015 20:52
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OldAlias posted:the upward moving arrow graphic is this cue + it's self evident imo. just swap it out for xscreensaver or whatever if it's a problem yet this cue is something that you never see anywhere else in gnome, why would any reasonable person know wtf its trying to indicate if they'd wanted to keep the stupid interstital while at least maintaining some semblance of consistency with the rest of the UI, they'd have been better served by a big X in the upper right corner like any other dismissable window would have
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Jun 7, 2015 21:07
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OldAlias fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 21:13
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oh good point
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Jun 7, 2015 21:14
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You can press a button or click anywhere to make it go away. It seems p simple imo.
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Jun 7, 2015 21:22
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OldAlias posted:wtf are you talking about reasonable people in the desktop linux thread. arrow goes up, swipe up. pretty fuckin straight forward i'm not sure what brain malady would prevent understanding this my severe brain malady prevented me from even perceiving the arrow because there was not actually an arrow on fedora 21 maybe 22 added one but even so it's still pretty lovely design because while you can expect people to know an animated arrow on a lock screen is a cue to swipe w/ yr finger (thanks to 8 years of iphone+clones), we're talking about ui which is presented to people on non touchscreen systems (also even minimalist-to-a-fault apple tries to put more than just an arrow on their touch screen devices. text is quite helpful) Rahu posted:You can press a button or click anywhere to make it go away. It seems p simple imo. i am the furthest possible thing from a ui designer. i don't even write ui code, i'm a low level hardware bit jockey, and even i can see that these are lovely awful incompetent designs. yes yes it's simple lol even the no-arrow-at-all fedora 21 lock screen only confused me for a few seconds, but i'm a nerd. i provide user tech support for elderly relatives and this kind of thing can confuse the everliving gently caress out of them for hours. it's poo poo like this which reinforces my desire to never ever inflict a linux on them
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Jun 7, 2015 21:43
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For reference the screen shield was going to have more things and be more useful in general but it hasn't worked out that way. We're looking at removing it in the next version
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Jun 8, 2015 03:33
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Also the arrow has literally been there since the initial code land in Fedora 19. We haven't touched it at all
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Jun 8, 2015 03:34
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BobHoward posted:maybe 22 added one but even so it's still pretty lovely design because while you can expect people to know an animated arrow on a lock screen is a cue to swipe w/ yr finger (thanks to 8 years of iphone+clones), we're talking about ui which is presented to people on non touchscreen systems
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Jun 8, 2015 03:46
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GNOME 2 was fine. what the gently caress happened? speaking generally, not about GNOME 3 specifically babies havin rabies fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 04:32
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Suspicious Dish posted:For reference the screen shield was going to have more things and be more useful in general but it hasn't worked out that way. We're looking at removing it in the next version thank you and please do this its seriously like the trend-following uis of this decade were all wrapped up into a single senseless frame
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Jun 8, 2015 04:48
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i'd seriously like to hear a justification, from anyone at microsoft or the fedora project, of what a lock screen shield does for a desktop computer because for the life of me i just can't figure it out
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Jun 8, 2015 04:51
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babies havin rabies posted:GNOME 2 was fine. what the gently caress happened? Gnome 2 was forked and lives on as Mate, and is still more or less the same as you remember. The Gnome 3 crew decided to pursue what they feel is a more modern user interface. I think underneath gnome 3 has attempted to resolve a lot of the pain for developers by removing whatever legacy cruft, with the aim of making code easier to write and maintain.
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Jun 8, 2015 05:03
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i mean the architecture of gnome 3 is pretty cool but fundamentally it's all underpinned by glib/gobject while it makes language bindings easier than doing the framework in c++, if you're programming in c then u gotta poo poo like two pages of boilerplate just to declare a loving class and i mean ain't nobody got time for that nonsense
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Jun 8, 2015 05:13
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ive heard of a lot of oss people say qt is better than gtk, and as someone whos had to deal with qt before, jfc thats gotta be a loving low bar
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Jun 8, 2015 05:16
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xforms should be enough for anybody
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Jun 8, 2015 05:23
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BobHoward posted:the new gnome lock screen is outrageously bad ui of the most offensive sort. it gives you absolutely no loving cues (visual or otherwise) that you can just start typing. it doesn't even give you a cue that you can swipe the screen away and this is especially bad because it does this even on non touch screen computers where nobody in their right mind starts click-and-dragging random bits of the screen to see what happens (at least if it was actually on a tablet youd see some poo poo move when you brushed the screen by accident or intent) i was like "buh.. what!?" for half a second and then i figured it out when i hit any key. it was such a horrible experience of the most offensive sort
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Jun 8, 2015 05:27
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actually to be fair it was qt being used in a non-UI setting (lmao did you know there's a "QTcpSocket"?)
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Jun 8, 2015 05:28
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BobHoward posted:the new gnome lock screen is outrageously bad ui of the most offensive sort. it gives you absolutely no loving cues (visual or otherwise) that you can just start typing. it doesn't even give you a cue that you can swipe the screen away and this is especially bad because it does this even on non touch screen computers where nobody in their right mind starts click-and-dragging random bits of the screen to see what happens (at least if it was actually on a tablet youd see some poo poo move when you brushed the screen by accident or intent) quoting for accurate user experience from real users have mercy on their souls
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Jun 8, 2015 05:29
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Mr Dog posted:i mean the architecture of gnome 3 is pretty cool but fundamentally it's all underpinned by glib/gobject yeah their solution was to apparently come up with a new language wasn't it - Vala ?
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Jun 8, 2015 06:00
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Vala looks cool but it's gonna need a lot more tooling before it's pleasant to use (like say an LLVM or Clang or whatever frontend so that you can actually debug the poo poo) there's also Seed, which binds JavaScriptCore (not V8 for whatever reason) to GObject and that looks kinda neat too but I think hardly anything uses it
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Jun 8, 2015 06:03
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carry on then posted:i'd seriously like to hear a justification, from anyone at microsoft or the fedora project, of what a lock screen shield does for a desktop computer its like those butterflies that have big 'eyespots' on their wings
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Jun 8, 2015 07:22
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Progressive JPEG posted:ive heard of a lot of oss people say qt is better than gtk, and as someone whos had to deal with qt before, jfc thats gotta be a loving low bar It's in relation to portability, Gnome on Windows is a bit of a cesspool. I'm sure it isn't great on OS X either.
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Jun 8, 2015 13:17
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MrMoo posted:It's in relation to portability, Gnome on Windows is a bit of a cesspool. I'm sure it isn't great on OS X either. o thats true, cross-builds were indeed pretty straightforward
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Jun 8, 2015 15:50
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Mr Dog posted:i mean the architecture of gnome 3 is pretty cool but fundamentally it's all underpinned by glib/gobject G_DECLARE_FINAL_TYPE
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Jun 8, 2015 16:31
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pram posted:Xaw should be enough for anybody
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