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Since the basic function of Beasts is to make people feel scared and helpless w/r/t forces greater than they are, they'd neatly serve the aims of all sorts of sinister power structures; the Invictus, Sanctum, and even Circle might all approve, the Fire-Touched and Predator Kings and maybe particularly militant Hunters in Darkness are all going to be hooting and hollering, Thearchs really into the "lion" posture (and who've lost sight of what it's supposed to engender) and any number of Seer factions are going to be breaking out the martinis... I'm actually not sure if I'd specifically associate Beasts with the Exarch of Life, although that might be because I've either forgotten or missed an update re: The Raptor's schtick.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:26
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Xelkelvos posted:So what faction from each splat would join with Beasts to terrorize humanity and just generally make things worse for everyone? Strix, Bale Hounds, Banishers, True Fae, Centimani, Ashwood Abbey/The Hunt Club, the Mummy enemy splat
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Jun 8, 2015 03:27
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The True Fae, as mentioned. The Autumn Court would say that beasts aren't just missing the point, but are being an active threat who deserve a nice, long Summer.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:28
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So is the Adamantine Arrow Lawyer civil or criminal? Maybe we can get 'em to sue the poo poo out of the Beast that mimics Werewolf attacks for servicemark infringement.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:34
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Wouldn't the Banishers see another facet of magic to smash in Beasts? Seems like the folks who cozy up to the Abyss would like them more.Effectronica posted:So is the Adamantine Arrow Lawyer civil or criminal? Maybe we can get 'em to sue the poo poo out of the Beast that mimics Werewolf attacks for servicemark infringement. He's one of those Daredevil style of lawyers who takes whatever the plot hook of the week dictates.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:34
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I think beasts are a mite too unpredictable for the Seers to like them as anything more than very temporary pawns. Also, they're full of themselves and I don't think Seers could abide an equally sized ego for long.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:35
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Effectronica posted:Strix, Bale Hounds, Banishers, True Fae, Centimani, Ashwood Abbey/The Hunt Club, the Mummy enemy splat TBH I don't think any of the Mummy antagonists would be down with Beasts save for maybe Ammut.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:37
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Jun 8, 2015 03:38
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It's not a matter of pawns or egos - I don't see any particular reason that one of the Seers would actually bother dealing personally with a beast except for, like, personal reasons. Beasts just happen to be yet another fallen world phenomenon that reinforce the Quiescence, albeit on a more personal scale than war and disease. If you're the local Tetrarch and your servant hands you a report that says the local small claims judge is actually some sort of abuse elemental, you say "Good." and sit back in your extremely comfy chair.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:39
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Swagger Dagger posted:Is Batman a Hero? He's every splat at once, like Rasputin.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:39
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Ferrinus posted:abuse elemental. Can we petition them to rename the game this?
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Jun 8, 2015 03:45
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I was thinking of Timori-Banishers when I wrote that, but Banishers are Awakened and can tell Beasts aren't Supernal.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:46
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When you get right down to it, Beasts' carefully-constructed compatibility with every splat does pretty much make them better matches for the evil versions of those splats than the good ones, doesn't it?
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Jun 8, 2015 03:52
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Rand Brittain posted:When you get right down to it, Beasts' carefully-constructed compatibility with every splat does pretty much make them better matches for the evil versions of those splats than the good ones, doesn't it? The only tribe among the forsaken who would even give the Beasts the time of day are the Hunters in Darkness, because Beasts basically stole Black Wolf's schtick down to the letter. How the pure would react depends on the specific beast they're interacting with. Ivory Claws would be fine as long as they keep away from their bloodlines. Predator Kings would probably get along fine with the more violent and direct beasts. The Fire-Touched would probably try and control the Beasts somehow. Or get mad at them for loving up the spirit world.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:00
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I regularly play in a game where the entire idea is to be cartoonishly evil supervillains. Beast is still way too loving far even by my tremendously warped standards.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:15
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Loomer posted:I regularly play in a game where the entire idea is to be cartoonishly evil supervillains. Beast is still way too loving far even by my tremendously warped standards. That's because a lot of what's going on in Beast isn't really cartoonish at all. Stylized to an extent, yes, but not cartoonish. You're being encouraged to roleplay direct forms and instances of IRL abuse, and to rationalize that abuse away in the same way actual abusers do.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:17
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lol you guys are still posting about this subpar anti bullying changeling rip off
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Jun 8, 2015 04:20
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Crion posted:That's because a lot of what's going on in Beast isn't really cartoonish at all. Stylized to an extent, yes, but not cartoonish. You're being encouraged to roleplay direct forms and instances of IRL abuse, and to rationalize that abuse away in the same way actual abusers do. Yeah, if it was supernaturally themed violence, it would be way less weird. None of my friends have ever been bitten by a vampire, but it's very possible to know a woman who has been stalked and threatened, or know a guy who was abused by his employer, or know someone who was assaulted and mugged, etc. The fact that the bad things the beast does are real bad things and not fictional ones makes a huge difference in how the "but we don't kill people, so we aren't evil" justification comes off.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:22
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Mexcillent posted:lol you guys are still posting about this subpar anti bullying changeling rip off Pro bullying*
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Jun 8, 2015 04:28
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Mexcillent posted:lol you guys are still posting about this subpar anti bullying changeling rip off I know, right? It's like a trainwreck involving kittens and jelly beans- a horrible mess of something that could and should have been good, but you can't help but look at and discuss now. EDIT: Spelling.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:28
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Something else I've found. Look at this horrible no-goodnik of a Hero:quote:Sleeping Beauty Who knew the most  thing in a game about playing Cthulhu was a teenage girl in a coma? Seriously, THIS is a PC I want to play, even if she's supposed to be the bad guy.EDIT: Proof that she's an evil bitchwhore who deserves all she gets: quote:The Hero has expectations. Forget his delusions and his ego, and even forget the monster that made him a zealot in the first place. It’s not the Beast who taught him how the tale is told. He goes to the movies; he reads books; he plays video games. His culture’s rammed the plot into him since he could understand words. The story belongs to him. RPG.net weighs in: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?757990-Beast-ish-Do-the-antagonists-need-to-be-less-sympathetic-than-the-PCs&p=19074975#post19074975 Someone else sum it up, I'm too busy being pumped about how Melanie is to get mad.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:55
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CommissarMega posted:Something else I've found. Look at this horrible no-goodnik of a Hero: You see, the whole "murdering children" thing goes back to the playtest leak. Because I remember reading that and doing something of a spit-take when compared to everything else about Heroes.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:56
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CommissarMega posted:Something else I've found. Look at this horrible no-goodnik of a Hero: I feel like this is an elaborate hoax. Like, that reads like one of the sample mage characters from one of the Mage 2.0 previews. It's awesome. 
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Jun 8, 2015 04:59
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CommissarMega posted:Something else I've found. Look at this horrible no-goodnik of a Hero: Nezumi-chan from RPG.net posted:Even Sleeping Beauty, who you mention, although more sympathetic than most, blames Beasts for what was actually an unhappy accident that could have been avoided if she'd been less reckless, and chooses to help other Heroes hunt Beasts just because she thinks they might help her return to her body rather than out of any altruism or desire to make the world better. that fuckin' bitch trying to get back what was stolen from her and trying to get home to her body! she deserves to be in a neverending nightmare of a coma dream! If she'd just let herself be victimized none of this would've happened! 
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Jun 8, 2015 05:06
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Someone help me, because upon reading this for a second time:quote:Melanie fell into the coma after an enterprising Collector sought her out to take God-knows-what from her in order to feed his own hoard.  Then again, it makes Melanie all the more heroic for doing what she did AND WHY CAN'T WE PLAY AS HEROES AGAIN?!
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Jun 8, 2015 05:08
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CommissarMega posted:Someone help me, because upon reading this for a second time: Maybe Beast is just a clever ploy to get us to demand a new run of Hunter books.
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Jun 8, 2015 05:10
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CommissarMega posted:Someone help me, because upon reading this for a second time: I guess because that book already exists, and it's Hunter: the Vigil. Like, Heroes could be a pseudo-conspiracy it almost seems like.
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Jun 8, 2015 05:10
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Hunter 2E: The Beast Chronicle
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Jun 8, 2015 05:11
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Mormon Star Wars posted:I'm still chuckling at the idea of a Beast taking the book's recommended path of trying to make hunters question themselves by turning the question of who the real monster is on them. "Perhaps it is you who is the real monster" "Bro, I'm a 1%er who signed up to a society of people who hunt monsters because exploiting ordinary people became too pedestrian. I didn't pay attention to half of what you just said because I was too busy considering which parts of you I can snort to make me horny. Unless you have any suggestions, I'm going to shoot you now"
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Pope Guilty posted:that fuckin' bitch trying to get back what was stolen from her and trying to get home to her body! she deserves to be in a neverending nightmare of a coma dream! If she'd just let herself be victimized none of this would've happened! Even the guy who brings that up renegs on it later in the argument once he realizes that there's literally nothing else for her to do. The beasts have put her in hell and there's nothing else she can do but fight against it. Hell, she's also an example of Heroes being altruistic. Other heroes let her steal their kills. Killing beasts is how Heroes get their powers, and they're letting this poor little ghost girl kill their monsters because that's the only way she can go on existing.
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someone from RPG.net posted:And then you have the sample characters, who includes what seems like a MRA's worst caricature of a feminist, the Worlds Worst Taxi Driver, and, as a sample hero, a literal fedora-wearing neckbeard who says m'lady. I physically cringed out of embarrassment for the author at that point. It also includes a section on how Heroes are totally Gamergate, which was just as bad. For real? I am having a hard time believing this.
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Jun 8, 2015 05:16
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Is the stuff about the "hunter response" still in the Beast corebook?
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Melanie is a badass.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:For real? I am having a hard time believing this. Description: Thaddeus is a tall, skinny man in his mid-30s, clean-shaven with pale skin and neatly cut hair. During office hours, Thaddeus wears business casual polo shirts and slacks, and is completely unremarkable. While out hunting monsters, he wears a poorly fitted trenchcoat and a black trilby hat. Thaddeus considers himself a modern gentleman and speaks with an unnecessarily verbose vocabulary, dotted with “chivalric” language he’s mostly picked up from fantasy movies and novels.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Hunter 2E: The Beast Chronicle No poo poo. I read Melanie adds said to myself, "holy poo poo, I wish my characters were this awesome" That's a PC right there, or at least a plot device NPC for your game's PCs to seek out/rescue
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tatankatonk posted:Description: Thaddeus is a tall, skinny man in his mid-30s, clean-shaven with pale skin and neatly cut hair. During office hours, Thaddeus wears business casual polo shirts and slacks, and is completely unremarkable. While out hunting monsters, he wears a poorly fitted trenchcoat and a black trilby hat. Thaddeus considers himself a modern gentleman and speaks with an unnecessarily verbose vocabulary, dotted with “chivalric” language he’s mostly picked up from fantasy movies and novels. hahahahahahahahaha goddamn
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Jun 8, 2015 05:24
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Hey do Heroes also hunt other supernaturals or only the supernaturals who are totes the moral superior of the rest of the world
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Jun 8, 2015 05:25
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I mean, I'm probably the biggest opp cheerleader in trad games (outside of mage)' but Beast is just so off putting. The 180 I've done since the announcement of this game last year and now is mind boggling to me.
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