|
SLOSifl posted:Modern Macs can reinstall the os over the internet. Windows probably supports something like that too. Which is one of those things that have enough failure modes and possible annoyances that I really like having the option of installing from a USB stick.
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 19:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 14:19 |
|
|
Computer viking posted:Which is one of those things that have enough failure modes and possible annoyances that I really like having the option of installing from a USB stick. Or, you know, a disc. Having a local copy of the operating system, the thing that keeps the computer from being an expensive thing with a lot of blinky lights, is important.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 19:57
|
|
|
My problem with the dying of CD release and what not is that I know someone with a superslow internet connection. I had to go to their home and install some software for them that used to come on disk but the the company has switched from disks to download codes. It took me almost 3 hours to download a program with updates when last year I think it took only about 1/3rd that time thanks to most of the content coming off a disk.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 19:58
|
|
|
My recommendation is to start preserving things you love and don't wan't to go away. AFAIK, I'm one of a scant few people who actually cares about my favorite videogame platform (the Poly Game Master/PGM). The secondary market for it is cheap as hell and barely existent and there is almost no reliable information about repairing or servicing them (the common suggestion is "they're cheap, buy another one").But the world needs more people who just hold on to poo poo, because that's how it doesn't get lost and people in the present are awful judges of what people in the future will want to be around.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:08
|
|
|
Vanagoon posted:Or, you know, a disc. Windows and OSX both let you make a disk or USB backup to restore a broken install of either OS.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:12
|
|
|
Vanagoon posted:Or, you know, a disc. Why? A USB3 stick is easier to carry, much more resistant to physical abuse, way way faster, supported on more machines, and easier to boot from (no more "Did I do something wrong, or was it just so slow to spin up that the BIOS thought there wasn't a bootable disk in the drive?"). The only thing a DVD does better might be long-time storage ... and that's what image files on a NAS is for.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:17
|
|
|
El Estrago Bonito posted:My recommendation is to start preserving things you love and don't wan't to go away. My attitude is thus: Streaming sucks. MY copy of my file. That I can copy where the gently caress ever I please. DRM this mother fuckers. If you give a poo poo about it, save a copy of it. Portable hard drives aren't that expensive, get several. Make copies. My favorite gaming platform, because I'm a bit of a normie I guess, is the NES. I have soooooo many NES ROMs. Computer viking posted:Why? A USB3 stick is easier to carry, much more resistant to physical abuse, way way faster, supported on more machines, and easier to boot from (no more "Did I do something wrong, or was it just so slow to spin up that the BIOS thought there wasn't a bootable disk in the drive?"). The only thing a DVD does better might be long-time storage ... and that's what image files on a NAS is for. Might need to copy from the disc onto the usb sometime. Better be prepared. Redundancy is a good thing. That, and the OS image has to get onto the USB in the first place somehow.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:20
|
|
|
^^^ Getting old myself I see, since I was beaten to the point.Vanagoon posted:Or, you know, a disc.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:21
|
|
|
Vanagoon posted:My attitude is thus: I keep a copy of Ubuntu on a USB stick. I downloaded it from the internet and put it onto the stick., and it was super easy. No discs involved, and I can just put it in a drawer and not have to worry about it getting scratched up. Technology has moved on, get with the times.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:27
|
|
|
Vanagoon posted:If you give a poo poo about it, save a copy of it. Portable hard drives aren't that expensive, get several. Make copies. But holy poo poo don't use SSD's. The issues with cold storing SSD's haven't been publicized enough IMHO.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:32
|
|
|
I think this is a good place to post this now: The quest to save today’s gaming history from being lost forever http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/06/the-quest-to-save-todays-gaming-history-from-being-lost-forever/ quote:But paradoxically, an Atari 2600 cartridge that’s nearly 40 years old is much easier to preserve at this point than many games released in the last decade. Thanks to changes in the way games are being distributed, protected, and played in the Internet era, large parts of what will become tomorrow's video game history could be lost forever. If we're not careful, that is. Archivist nerds unite! El Estrago Bonito posted:But holy poo poo don't use SSD's. The issues with cold storing SSD's haven't been publicized enough IMHO. Winchester HDDs are much better for this. Might have to smack em against a table to bring em back to life sometimes though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 20:38
|
|
|
El Estrago Bonito posted:But holy poo poo don't use SSD's. The issues with cold storing SSD's haven't been publicized enough IMHO. I mean if you're talking about saving an OS install and all you care about is keeping your laptop running then the service life of the image is only going to be a year or two so who cares. But for archival purposes? Optical media are a way better bet. Actually in keeping with the spirit of the thread, the ye olde tyme technology that's actually absolutely baller for long-term archival purposes is paper tape. I mean, if longevity is your primary concern. Fuuuuuuuck trying to archive a couple gigs of data at about 10 kB a reel though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 21:01
|
|
|
Slime posted:I keep a copy of Ubuntu on a USB stick. I downloaded it from the internet and put it onto the stick., and it was super easy. No discs involved, and I can just put it in a drawer and not have to worry about it getting scratched up. Technology has moved on, get with the times. Back when CDs were new, I was extremely anal about making sure I didn't scratch the discs. When you're paying $12-20 each, you can't afford to replace them. I had friends who weren't so careful and would have scratched-to-gently caress-and-back discs scattered around their homes, busted jewel cases in piles on tables, and insert booklets being used as coasters. It would drive me nuts. There really is no excuse for it especially for something as important as a system backup disc. Hell, I came across an old CD wallet with a restore disc for a computer I owned 12 years ago. That being said, I don't recall the last piece of software that I bought on physical media. However, there are a few artists whose current releases I will buy physical copies of. Old habits die hard.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 21:22
|
|
|
I haven't bought an album on ceedee in two years; however, I have bought about twenty albums brand new on vinyl in the last year.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2015 21:30
|
|
|
Star Man posted:I haven't bought an album on ceedee in two years; however, I have bought about twenty albums brand new on vinyl in the last year. Perchance can I interest you in some wooden knobs for your stereo? They really bring out the warmth in the mid-range, and I'll let them go for only $25 a piece.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 01:12
|
|
|
ryonguy posted:Perchance can I interest you in some wooden knobs for your stereo? They really bring out the warmth in the mid-range, and I'll let them go for only $25 a piece. Nah, I'm good. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 01:15
|
|
|
Ape Has Killed Ape posted:The last time I had to use a CD drive was to install the network driver after I finished building my computer. I usually just grab the driver off the internet and throw it on a USB stick.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 01:19
|
|
|
I had to install a copy of OS X using their internet restore and it was kind of scary how well it worked. My MacBook had an optical drive, but I got rid of it and stuck in a SSD. That said I do keep an external drive around. It's not that I don't need a CD or DVD drive, it's that I don't need one to carry around everywhere. And sure enough, I've used it like twice.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 03:00
|
|
|
Here's the thing that sucks about streaming media or downloading software, legit or not: when you have no connection, it's fuckin useless. Especially when you've already downloaded the media you want to use and it still requires a connection. I took my PS3 with me to a friend's ranch last Christmas and half the things we wanted to play required an Internet connection because they were things I got for free as a Playstation Plus member or were downloaded games that for some fuckin reason needed it. I can only imagine how long it takes for them to download a several gigabyte game over their satellite connection. I'm sure that it takes them less time to drive the 45 minutes to town, stop at Gamestop or Walmart, do their other errands or eat, and come back.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 03:59
|
|
|
I won't miss the dark arts of CD burning. Though I did have a fondness for the CDs that looked like Vinyl. When I first got a burner I was using CD-RWs for ages because they cost so much and also doubled as a handy sort of external storage. However many CD drives refused to properly read, or only view the first track of a CD-RW and even stuff like music CDs failed on just about everything. Or building up oodles of coasters from CD burning software at Uni which had "close session" ticked by default Or getting a bad batch of disks and being convinced your burner had just died in the arse, or when you did have a dying burner, setting burn speeds to 1X to eeek the last of it's lifespan. I recall a brand of Sony CDs that cheated space (700mb) but refused to read on anything after burning.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:13
|
|
|
Star Man posted:Here's the thing that sucks about streaming media or downloading software, legit or not: when you have no connection, it's fuckin useless. Especially when you've already downloaded the media you want to use and it still requires a connection. I took my PS3 with me to a friend's ranch last Christmas and half the things we wanted to play required an Internet connection because they were things I got for free as a Playstation Plus member or were downloaded games that for some fuckin reason needed it. I can only imagine how long it takes for them to download a several gigabyte game over their satellite connection. I'm sure that it takes them less time to drive the 45 minutes to town, stop at Gamestop or Walmart, do their other errands or eat, and come back. Eventually the internet will become pervasive enough that not having access to the internet won't be a thing unless it's a personal choice or whatever.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:27
|
|
|
On the topic of CDs, with the advent of bluetooth-enabled MP3 players, the big chunky stereos that only had radio, cassette, and sometimes CD are a thing of the past. I found this one (not my picture) at a Goodwill today, probably the height of tacky-looking stereos.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:29
|
|
|
Would gladly put that in my house. The trick is to put it next to some complimentary art
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:49
|
|
|
Edit: removed post that doesn't belong here
Cat Hassler has a new favorite as of 07:05 on Jun 8, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:53
|
|
|
Coffee And Pie posted:On the topic of CDs, with the advent of bluetooth-enabled MP3 players, the big chunky stereos that only had radio, cassette, and sometimes CD are a thing of the past. I found this one (not my picture) at a Goodwill today, probably the height of tacky-looking stereos. God I want that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 04:55
|
|
|
SwissCM posted:Eventually the internet will become pervasive enough that not having access to the internet won't be a thing unless it's a personal choice or whatever. Unless you live in a rural area. Internet availability out in the sticks is woefully inadequate. Coffee And Pie posted:On the topic of CDs, with the advent of bluetooth-enabled MP3 players, the big chunky stereos that only had radio, cassette, and sometimes CD are a thing of the past. I found this one (not my picture) at a Goodwill today, probably the height of tacky-looking stereos. This rules. I want it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 05:19
|
|
|
Coffee And Pie posted:On the topic of CDs, with the advent of bluetooth-enabled MP3 players, the big chunky stereos that only had radio, cassette, and sometimes CD are a thing of the past. I found this one (not my picture) at a Goodwill today, probably the height of tacky-looking stereos. Anyway, I have no idea if poo poo like optical media is becoming obsolete. But it seems like unless your tastes in film, music, and books all pretty much track currently popular poo poo, going all digital on your media just isn't really a viable option at this point. I mean I'd actually prefer to have the bulk of my film library be digital, but there's a whole shitload of it that isn't available for streaming anywhere. The overwhelming majority of the recorded music I listen to I play from a digital source, but most of my library was ripped from CDs I own because the content wasn't available digitally. And I generally prefer a kindle for reading in bed, but the amount of material that's available in a kindle edition versus print is tiny unless you're just reading popular contemporary fiction. And so on. So if physical media is becoming obsolete, more's the pity for the media, because anyone looking at any of those mediums through a digital-only lens is going to miss out on a whole shitload of content.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 05:42
|
|
|
Obsolete and failed: this thread, after turning into a 40000-page USB-stick-fight.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 05:45
|
|
|
SubG posted:So if physical media is becoming obsolete, more's the pity for the media, because anyone looking at any of those mediums through a digital-only lens is going to miss out on a whole shitload of content. It's actually sort of distressing how much power Netflix and the like have in shaping cinematic taste.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 05:45
|
|
|
JHomer722 posted:It's actually sort of distressing how much power Netflix and the like have in shaping cinematic taste. I work as a salesman now and nearly everything in the home theatre/tv department is branded and hyped boasting Netflix compatibility (Netflix only just officially came to Australia). I remember back in my childhood the first week of school after Christmas, all the kids in class would compare which games they received as presents, and the trading wars happened. I got Jurassic Park on NES and was pissed off that I couldnt even get a friend to loan me Mortal Kombat. Also one of the Nintendo magazines ran high score competitions. Having to pause your game, find your parents film camera, take a heap of lovely photos hoping the flash didnt obscure the score on the CRT and waiting for the film to be developed, and THEN mailing the photo to the magazine. Those were the days.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 07:03
|
|
|
JHomer722 posted:It's actually sort of distressing how much power Netflix and the like have in shaping cinematic taste. I'm kinda weirded out at how much Netflix usage seems to be entirely "watch the new things immediately and then nothing" or something. They make these categories like "newly added" "recent release" "trending now" and "popular on Netflix" and they are like 90% the same things because they are the things that are new. It's like nobody ever watches anything from before the current month, as if they've already watched every single thing on Netflix that interested them previously. Maybe it just seems that way but drat it's kinda dumb.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 07:23
|
|
|
Light Gun Man posted:I'm kinda weirded out at how much Netflix usage seems to be entirely "watch the new things immediately and then nothing" or something. They make these categories like "newly added" "recent release" "trending now" and "popular on Netflix" and they are like 90% the same things because they are the things that are new. It's like nobody ever watches anything from before the current month, as if they've already watched every single thing on Netflix that interested them previously. Maybe it just seems that way but drat it's kinda dumb. It probably just seems that way. I mean say you got three people who all watch the Daredevil because it's new, then one of them watches an episode of the Twilight Zone immediately after, the other watches Nostalghia, and the last one watches Labyrinth. It's no big mystery which one of those four netflix is going to say is popular.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 07:33
|
|
|
Light Gun Man posted:as if they've already watched every single thing on Netflix that interested them previously. Maybe it just seems that way but drat it's kinda dumb. I hit this point about a year ago, 3 years into my Netflix subscription. Edit: doesn't help they pulled all the MST3K
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 08:05
|
|
|
Pham Nuwen posted:I hit this point about a year ago, 3 years into my Netflix subscription. My queue is still just full of stuff that's been there for years, I'll never get to it all. I already watched all of MST3K before Netflix
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 08:19
|
|
|
Wanamingo posted:It probably just seems that way. I mean say you got three people who all watch the Daredevil because it's new, then one of them watches an episode of the Twilight Zone immediately after, the other watches Nostalghia, and the last one watches Labyrinth. It's no big mystery which one of those four netflix is going to say is popular. I was looking at the top lists per country in Spotify recently, and something similar seems to hold there. There will be a couple of country or language-specific songs, but the top 50 most played are roughly the same the world over. Interestingly, the "viral top 50" , defined as the most shared songs the last day, are much more distinct - you could actually guess which country many of them are from. Of course, the data set here is a bit iffy; if we go by play counts Norway is apparently one of the 5 most populous countries. I suspect many of the plays in a country where the top song has ~3k will be from tourists or even geolocation mistakes, which could explain why they look so homogenous.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 08:39
|
|
|
People outside the Anglosphere use different services for the most part. Spotify probably isn't the go-to music streaming service in Brazil or Russia, I guarantee that no one in China other than tourists use it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 09:43
|
|
|
Humphreys posted:Also one of the Nintendo magazines ran high score competitions. Having to pause your game, find your parents film camera, take a heap of lovely photos hoping the flash didnt obscure the score on the CRT and waiting for the film to be developed, and THEN mailing the photo to the magazine. Those were the days.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 10:20
|
|
|
Throatwarbler posted:People outside the Anglosphere use different services for the most part. Spotify probably isn't the go-to music streaming service in Brazil or Russia, I guarantee that no one in China other than tourists use it. To put some numbers to this, here are the most played last day in a few countries: USA: 771 379 (Trap Queen, Fetty Wap) Sweden: 316 287 (Waiting for love, Avicii) Norway: 127 284 (Waiting for love, Avicii) Spain: 188 084 (El Perdón, Nicky Jam & Enrique Iglesias) Argentina: 55 710 (El Perdón, Nicky Jam & Enrique Iglesias) Brazil: 59 498 (See you again, Wiz Califa) Not shown: An amazing amount of #1 spots for Lean On (Major Lazer, MØ, DJ Snake) in countries with fewer listeners; probably driven by their ad campaign inside spotify. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 11:46 on Jun 8, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 11:44
|
|
|
minato posted:Anyone remember shaped CDs? These were novelty CDs that were non-circular. Half the time the drive wouldn't recognize them, or they'd be badly made and shatter in the drive because some of them had a center of gravity that wasn't in the middle of the hole. Vinyl versions of these are somewhat popular. Plenty of singles or limited editions come on shaped disks. It's actually one of the very few advantages of vinyl over CD, that they can't explode in the player or anything like that. BTW, I say this as someone who casually collects vinyl records. The vast majority of the music I listen to is digital on my phone or computer, but there is something I really like about the tactileness of putting on a record and admiring the large artwork on the packaging.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 12:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 14:19 |
|
|
Star Man posted:Here's the thing that sucks about streaming media or downloading software, legit or not: when you have no connection, it's fuckin useless. Especially when you've already downloaded the media you want to use and it still requires a connection. I took my PS3 with me to a friend's ranch last Christmas and half the things we wanted to play required an Internet connection because they were things I got for free as a Playstation Plus member or were downloaded games that for some fuckin reason needed it. I can only imagine how long it takes for them to download a several gigabyte game over their satellite connection. I'm sure that it takes them less time to drive the 45 minutes to town, stop at Gamestop or Walmart, do their other errands or eat, and come back. In a case like this, would it be possible to download the software on a PC with a faster connection, save to USB/disc and bring it to the person you're fixing? Not sure how something like that might work with say, Windows 10, but it's at least an alternative to downloading several gigs of data on a crappy satellite, DSL or dial-up connection. I can't see any company going away from physical media of some kind though, even a good chunk of Dell laptops I've had at work (sans optical drive) have been shipped with an 8GB USB that has the OS and drivers pre-loaded on it. Coffee And Pie posted:On the topic of CDs, with the advent of bluetooth-enabled MP3 players, the big chunky stereos that only had radio, cassette, and sometimes CD are a thing of the past. I found this one (not my picture) at a Goodwill today, probably the height of tacky-looking stereos. This is rad as hell
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2015 14:32
|
|
