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WarpedNaba posted:Auckland Uni or AUT? Because the exact type of dumbass differs between the two. no they're both retards
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There's a whole history behind teachers being poorly paid and there are a number of reasons for it. Firstly they're easy to take advantage of, because if you under-resource someone in most jobs they will tell you to piss off and not do the job, if you under resource a teacher they still have empathy for the children. It's also traditionally been one of the few professional jobs that women can get, so even though they're poorly paid for a professional, they're reasonably well paid compared to other women. [EDIT: It's not so much like this now, but it takes a long time for things to change]
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Jun 3, 2015 08:20
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Slavvy posted:Yeah this. Vagabundo will surely elaborate on the matter but critical thinking and such is difficult to measure in a tangible way and would require time, resources and leeway to teach that teachers just don't have because they're under enormous pressure just to get everyone past a certain level. Most people seem incapable of critical thinking or comprehending what they're reading if it's more complicated than a magazine article so whatever they're doing isn't working. Vagabundo is not the only resident teacher  Not a majority, but certainly a good swag of people think of teaching as care work, so we suffer from the same industrial/professional low wage ghetto that all care work does. The main problem I think is that a majority of people assume that what we teach kids are basically processions of technical skills that anyone can learn and because these skills are easy then anyone can teach it. The result is that teaching isn't really thought of as a profession, because supposedly anyone could do it. The government doesn't help this with their parachute teacher training programs and data driven bullshit.
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Jun 3, 2015 08:23
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Ghostlight posted:Those who can't do, teach Heard him call the Greens sensible and economically conservative yesterday morning btw
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Jun 3, 2015 08:43
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A broken clock is right twice a day. Also I totally meant #hosking.
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Jun 3, 2015 08:45
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I also have heard from a reliable source that he's the kind of person that will shout "don't you know who I am" in righteous indignation when he doesn't get his way.fong posted:Vagabundo is not the only resident teacher Pretty much what Slavvy said, and as fong has implied, I think I'm one of maybe 3 or 4 teachers that post regularly in this thread. And yeah, critical thinking and empathy is the basic tenets that my subjects are built on, but we are up against so much bullshit from all corners. A large part of teaching is now being bogged down in what one of my colleagues called "data hoarding" and I am genuinely worried about what outcome the PPTA's negotiations with the MoE will have. There's just so much bullshit in the margins of what we do, that it's starting to drive people out of the career.
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Jun 3, 2015 09:00
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Vagabundo posted:There's just so much bullshit in the margins of what we do, that it's starting to drive people out of the career. Average teacher lasts less than 5 years~
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Jun 3, 2015 09:05
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Exclamation Marx posted:Heard him call the Greens sensible and economically conservative yesterday morning btw how out of character of him to have a wandwavy bullshit opinion about something
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Jun 3, 2015 10:10
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Hoskins also stood up for FIFA and Blatter on 7 Sharp last night essentially saying "if he's so corrupt how come he got voted back in??"fong posted:Here's a good post about the issues with Chester Burrows proposed change to abortion law (making it mandatory to inform parents for girls under 16)  I sure hope the 2 dudes in the comments section are trolling...
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Jun 3, 2015 10:27
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Vagabundo posted:I am genuinely worried about what outcome the PPTA's negotiations with the MoE will have. Taking the long view the secondary teacher union have really lost a lot of ground - my old man always reminds me how they used to have wage parity with politicians. How the gently caress did the PPTA fail for so wrong? I think in large part the natural desire to protect the more incompetent teachers has helped undermine the profession in the eyes of the public. Every student knows that there are a significant number of the worthless and the lazy, and they are right. If the PPTA had campaigned more eagerly to jettison the damaging elements of the profession I think society would have a lot more sympathy to teacher salary claims. Only a theory mind.
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Jun 3, 2015 10:34
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One of the less attractive but still important sides of any union is the unquestioned protection of workers. Even the lovely dead weight ones. With teachers' unions unfortunately it also means that the unions fund lawyers for people charged with sexual assault/indecency etc, even when those people are guilty. However I think if unions hold anything other than an absolute stance on protecting workers then the doors open for all kinds of corruption, divide and conquer tactics, in-fighting etc. Ultimately I think the unions would lose their purpose. The reason PPTA and NZEI have lost ground on pay is because we've had miserly government after miserly government and teachers aren't prepared to go on strike every single time the collective agreement is up for re-negotiation.
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Jun 3, 2015 11:27
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fong posted:One of the less attractive but still important sides of any union is the unquestioned protection of workers. Even the lovely dead weight ones. With teachers' unions unfortunately it also means that the unions fund lawyers for people charged with sexual assault/indecency etc, even when those people are guilty. Of course unions provide representation, but the decision to actively fight for the protection of the poorest performers is a strategic one. I can't think of an entirely analogous example from NZ industrial relations of the sort of relationship I'm getting at, but the union and employer on some sites cooperate closely to ensure that those not up to scratch can be culled. The attitude of the medical unions towards inept workers is very different from that expressed by the PPTA say. It's definitely a contrast. But then the issue is "what is a bad teacher?" and which Wellington moron is going to introduce some arbitrary criteria to ruin teachers lives over some poorly performing kids in class. Someone has to teach the poo poo kids quote:The reason PPTA and NZEI have lost ground on pay is because we've had miserly government after miserly government and teachers aren't prepared to go on strike every single time the collective agreement is up for re-negotiation.
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Jun 3, 2015 11:56
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Teachers are in the unenviable position of being necessary enough that them striking would be seen as malicious moneygrubbing on their part at the expense of children's educations, and also being poorly compensated enough that the position tends to retain only those idealistically invested in teaching children.
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Jun 3, 2015 12:33
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WarpedNaba posted:Auckland Uni or AUT? Because the exact type of dumbass differs between the two. I don't think an institution that has to have "university" in its name twice could possibly be one
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Jun 3, 2015 13:34
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What about the teacher who was having sex with 17 year old boys at her school, did the union get lawyers for her? Just wondering.
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Jun 3, 2015 13:40
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puchu posted:What about the teacher who was having sex with 17 year old boys at her school, did the union get lawyers for her? Just wondering. probably, if she was in the union
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Jun 3, 2015 13:51
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why wouldn't the unions provide legal aid? a person could be guilty as poo poo but until they're, you know, convicted, they should probably have at least some presumption of innocence.
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Jun 3, 2015 14:41
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focal ischemia posted:why wouldn't the unions provide legal aid? a person could be guilty as poo poo but until they're, you know, convicted, they should probably have at least some presumption of innocence. That's kinda my point
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Jun 4, 2015 02:19
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Double post, but Mihingarangi Forbes has resigned now too  Its really sudden and almost certainly involves drama in Maori TV. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Jun 4, 2015 04:21
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Yesterday Key kept insinuating a bunch of poo poo over the Saudi bribe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIB2EgfPlU0 Today the Nats blocked Labour from tabling the papers he claimed were evidence  it's like that Donghua Liu $100000 bottle of wine all over again fong posted:Double post, but Mihingarangi Forbes has resigned now too Campbell Live and Native Affairs were the best  she was on Campbell previously, funnily enough. Maori TV's management is stacked with National people as well, isn't it? (Georgina Te Heuheu etc)e: cites "management interference in the popular Native Affairs current affairs show" exmarx fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Jun 4, 2015 04:48
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Exclamation Marx posted:she was on Campbell previously, funnily enough. New Zealand's best television interviewer. She is really understated and people just can't help but open up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMsxY4ukd0s
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Jun 4, 2015 05:15
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Hahaha, I remember that. What happened to him? Did he go get hosed?
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Jun 4, 2015 05:19
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Jun 4, 2015 06:15
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Exclamation Marx posted:Campbell Live and Native Affairs were the best Yeah, Maori TV is hosed. Georgina Te Heuheu is a sitting National MP who has been given power to lead a review of the station. Meanwhile she is also a personal friend of Paora Maxwell, who she and the board appointed back in March as the new CEO, despite strenuous objections from staff. Meanwhile National canned the charter for TVNZ back in 2011 and the new CEO there is explicit in only wanting it to exist as a commercially viable business so the only NZ stuff on there now has been made with NZ On Air funding. basically we have a dire need for an independent state broadcasting service
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Jun 4, 2015 09:32
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fong posted:basically we have a dire need for an independent state broadcasting service aye
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Jun 4, 2015 10:30
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I think I missed the NZ education chat, but I actually learned more about New Zealand Maori/Pakeha history in a theatre studies paper at uni than anything I got taught at high school. (22, if age is relevant.) I do wish that Te Reo had been compulsory at school, I would have hated it at the time (I hated anything compulsory, really) but now I realise that having that knowledge is something I would have later appreciated. Slavvy posted:I've always found it bizarre how arguably the most fundamental and important profession in society is treated like poo poo. Like, teachers are actually making future society out of the kids they teach and somehow this is deemed less financially important than lawyers and poo poo. It's like, CEO's aside, wages usually scale with job responsibility to some extent. Plumbers get paid more than checkout operators, doctors get paid more than plumbers etc because their job is more difficult, entails more responsibility and demands a higher level of don't-gently caress-this-up. Teachers have the most critical profession in the world yet get paid next to nothing and get shat on by basically everyone as a group. IDGI. I can't be the only person to think this way. My Swiss mother told me I should study to be a teacher because it's a high-paying job. I laughed at the time, but when I looked it up afterwards I found out that in Switzerland teachers actually do earn higher than the average wage. It's good that at least one country is treating its teachers well, I guess? My teachers at high school were pretty great in retrospect, and put up with so much poo poo. I don't know how they did it.
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Jun 4, 2015 13:54
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http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/275520/mihingarangi-forbes-joins-radio-new-zealand Forbes is joining RNZ  fong posted:Georgina Te Heuheu is a sitting National MP She left parliament in 2011, so it's not quite that bad.
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Jun 5, 2015 05:14
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Exclamation Marx posted:She left parliament in 2011, so it's not quite that bad. oh good still, not exactly a politically neutral figure
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Jun 8, 2015 01:58
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brb planning suit with needles full of acid injected into people I hug.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:39
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:brb planning suit with needles full of acid injected into people I hug. She will get you first.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:42
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Yeah, that's clearly a trap.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:44
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The NZH posted:Prime News outrates TV3 as audience numbers halve http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11461802 Haha
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Jun 8, 2015 05:33
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Ratios and Tendency posted:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11461802 Whoa, there will be some serious hand wringing going on at Mediaworks right now! What's the bet the 'solution' is a massive swing to the right?
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Jun 8, 2015 05:59
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Pararoid posted:What's the bet the 'solution' is a massive swing to the right? That's ALWAYS the solution 
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Jun 8, 2015 06:03
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Pararoid posted:Whoa, there will be some serious hand wringing going on at Mediaworks right now! 24 hour Paul Henry
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Jun 8, 2015 06:58
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fong posted:24 hour Paul Henry this, hopefully he will die from overwork
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Jun 8, 2015 07:24
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bobbilljim posted:this, hopefully he will die from overwork That would imply he's capable of getting tired of running his mouth.
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Jun 8, 2015 07:34
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Slavvy posted:That would imply he's capable of getting tired of running his mouth. Plus I suspect he's able to sustain himself from the hot air he's blowing. Also, what's going on with your avatar?
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